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Welcome to our forum MrFrodo. Happy Elf Smilie

Maybe if PJ makes lots of money on LotR he will do the Hobbit; however, the special effects to do the dragon and the eagles will cost a pretty penny, but he could probably pull it off by skipping Beorn and Rivendell. Meanwhile you could view the old musical cartoon version by Rankin-Bass.

For the dwarves I'd just cast some pudgy actors and then make the humans larger than life.
I think 'The Hobbit' would make an excellent movie! And the cost of the special effects would be well worth it, Smaug could look really cool and they did a pretty good job the dragon firework in FotR. Somehow I don't think money will be a problem.

Too bad there won't be many elves in that movie though. Elf Sticking Tounge Out Smilie
Welcome to PT, MrFrodo
Yes the Hobbit could be a spectacular movie. Perhaps they can borrow the dragon props from Reign of Fire, they were pretty good. Big Laugh Smilie
I feel like 'The Hobbit' might translate into a movie even better than LotR...the whole story is much more straightforward...they probably wouldn't even have to change very much from the book.
I have always thought that, Chikakat. Because it was written for younger readers it's plot is less convoluted, keeps its core characters the same, is action packed throughout, and not overly long. It would adapt without change, except there is no love interest, so PJ might have to replace Thorin with Arwen (who would have to be content playing catch with a ten year old Aragorn)
I don't know. The plot would be easy enough to adapt but I've always felt the magic of the hobbit was in the dialogue "to think I'd live to be goodmorninged by Belladonna Took's son as if I was selling buttons at the door" and "confusticated and bebother these dwarves.."
I think that it could so easily be done badly and all the magic of the book would be lost, it would just be another childrens adventure story.
Hopefully The Hobbit would be treated with the same respect as LotR (or even more so, because of the concerns that Rosie has pointed out).

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PJ might have to replace Thorin with Arwen (who would have to be content playing catch with a ten year old Aragorn)

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I´ve heard that Peter Jackson is not going to be the director of the Hobbit. He said that someone else could shoot such a big film as LotR.
I would love to see the Hobbit be made into a film as well. As I have recently stated in another thread, at this point, it seems like the Hobbit would be incredibly easy for PJ to make. He already has such a huge head start on the movie. The sets for Bag End, Rivendell, and Gollum’s cave are already there. The look, and location for the Misty Mountains has already been established. PJ also already has Gollum, Gwaihir, the Orcs, the Trolls, and the Wargs in the can, and obviously he could use the same actors for Gandalf, Bilbo, Elrond, and Gollum. It just seems like to me that half of the movie is almost already there.

On a slightly pessimistic note, the thought has occurred to me that New Line had to acquire the rights to the Hobbit so PJ could include the scene where Bilbo finds the ring in Gollum’s cave in FOTR. I do very much hope we get to see the Hobbit on the big screen someday though!
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The Rankin-Bass cartoon didn't do it justice, nor did the live performance I saw decades ago by the Seattle Mountaineers in their natural forest amphitheatre on the Kitsap Peninsula.
Wow Grondy, a live performance eh? I'm sorry to hear that it didn't cut the mustard, but that sounds pretty darn unique!

Don't know if I should admit this or not, but I have both the Hobbit, and ROTK by Rankin-Bass on DVD, and I still watch them all the time. I grew up on their version of the Hobbit, it was one of my favorite things in the world when I was a wee lad.
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I wouldn't admit that, I do have them both on VHS and I do watch them from time to time, mostly to remind myself how dire they actually are. Except for "Where there's a whip, then there's a way" that's a great song. And I for one don't think Ian Holm is quite sprightly enough to manage an entire shoot as Bilbo in his younger days.
"We don't want to go to war today...” I agree Plastic that is a great tune, and I knew I was sticking my neck out admitting to that, but hey, if I can't get any love here, I'm not going to get it anywhere. What about, "Frodo of the nine fingers, and the ring of doom", that's semi rocking, isn't it? With the wonders of modern movie making technology, and a lot of make up, Sir Ian Holm will be just fine. Besides isn’t that ol’ Ian in the scene in Gollum’s cave in FOTR?
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What about, "Frodo of the nine fingers, and the ring of doom", that's semi rocking, isn't it?

No way, that's as bad as "The greatest adventure" from the Hobbit, I hates it, bloody Glen whatsisname....

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With the wonders of modern movie making technology, and a lot of make up, Sir Ian Holm will be just fine. Besides isn’t that ol’ Ian in the scene in Gollum’s cave in FOTR?
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Yeah, but would you want to do a whole movie with your face covered in sellotape?
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No way, that's as bad as "The greatest adventure" from the Hobbit, I hates it, bloody Glen whatsisname....
He hatesses it, Glen Yarbough; the Plastic Squirrel hatesses your song! Jumping Flame Smilie I
Well. Darn it, Squirrel! I like all of those songs. 'Where there's a Whip' is definitley the best. But I liked'em all. The Rankin and Bass 'Hobbit' Wasn't too bad. it just wasn't great. But they really didn't do too good a job with ROTK past voce casting.

Speaking of Voice casting. I listened to the BBC Radio broadcast of 'The Hobbit'. It would be really good except for the one terrible flaw. The voice cast for Gandalf is terrible!!! It's totally whiny and snake-oily. It's the voice of Grima, not Gandalf.
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I think after the lord of the rings trilgy
they should make the Hobbit because that would mean more dwarves Standing Up Santa Smilie
Welcome to PT!

You like dwarves Undale? Cool Smilie I sort of like them, but not much. (85/15) Gimli`s a great character in TTT, but not as cool as Legolas!!! Wink Smilie (And Aragorn!)

I think PJ should have done TH, but it won`t be as good I think. Sad Smilie The only reason I say that is because, PJ`s already done FOTR and TTT and TH comes before them. He`s already done ROTK as well, because that comes out Christmas 2003! (Can`t wait! Big Smile Smilie Especially when I know Orlando Bloom` s in it!!!) Big Laugh Smilie

I think it will be brill though if they do do TH! I hope the Elves won`t be as wierd as the Elves in TH! Big Laugh Smilie

Welcome to Planet Tolkien, Undale. I hope you enjoy your time here with us.
Undale: Welcome to our forum. Standing Up Santa Smilie

Could we stand being around 13 Dwarves, especially if one of them is the Great Thorin Oakenshield? Elf With a Big Grin Smilie It also might be a challenge providing all the dwarves with unique personalities.

I don't know if PJ could now get away with making the Elves of Rivendell as playful and small as I imagined them upon reading The Hobbit. His Elves from the movie LotR can be used for those of Mirkwood.

I wonder who could be cast as Beorn? How about Vultan, the leader of the winged warriors in the Flash Gordon movie, Brian Blessed? Cool Elf Smilie
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I think PJ should have done TH, but it won`t be as good I think. The only reason I say that is because, PJ`s already done FOTR and TTT and TH comes before them.

Hmmmm... Like the first Star Wars Movie comes 32 years after the story NOW begins.... or the first Star Trek series is set close on 200 years AFTER the newest series....
Oh hang on, prequels always suck in comparison to the originals, so maybe you're right.


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I wonder who could be cast as Beorn? How about Vultan, the leader of the winged warriors in the Flash Gordon movie, Brian Blessed?


Good idea, it's the one sci-fi/fantasy franchise he hasn't got himself into isn't it?
It may not be such a good idea to have them do the hobbit unless they get cracking right away. A lot of the actors are really old. I once heard Christopher Lee say on an interview that he may even die before he sees ROTK he is so old.

Ian Holm hated the rejuvination effects used to make him look younger in the cave scene with gollum, and he would never look like a young hobbit. Gandalf is old too, perfect for the character, but not for the human. Gimli's make-up caused skin irritaion the whole time he wore it.

Not that I am against making The Hobbit, not at all. I would love to see that beautiful story come to life, but it seems unreasonable. Smile Smilie

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I definately hope that the Hobbit is made, and it would be a great movie with all the effects involved...as long as they don't cast out beorn like they did old Tom.... and they don't ruin the film by making it too serious, i mean it was written as a childrens novel Big Smile Smilie
Gots to have Beorn, so we can see the funniest part of the book: Gandalf's story where he cons Beorn into accepting a whole hassle of Dwarves as house guests, when even one would normally been turned away as an unwanted nuisance. This was Gandalfs strong point throughout the War of the Rings saga: to talk a person into doing what was necessary at that particular time and following, towards the achievement of Gandalf's goal, the freeing of Middle-earth from the dominion of Sauron. Teacher Smilie
I´ve heard that Peter Jackson is not gonna do the hobbit movie. he said that it wuld be too hard.
there will be way to many spesial effects for him.
he sais that some one else is shuld do it!


...thats what i've heard
I`m not suprised if that was what he said!
If they do not do The Hobbit I will personally lie down and croak! (die)
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While Rough Cut has been marvelling at The Two Towers, we can't help but be happy that no-one plans to tackle Rings prequel The Hobbit anytime soon. Not only would it be Tolkien overkill, but Peter Jackson is the only person for the job and he needs a rest. Maybe in ten years time...


From this months Total Film http://www.totalfilm.co.uk

I personally can't help but agree.
How about we make it four or five years, waiting another ten years will be problematic for me. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
Hate to point this out Grond, but it took George Lucas over 15 years before he felt he could face his "galaxy far far away" again.
I just wanted to point out that for those of you who may have missed the article on the home page (which came from the Sidney Morning Herald), PJ has officially stated on the record that if he was asked to do The Hobbit he would give it serious consideration. I’m betting right now that he does make the movie! My guess is that we will see it 3 to 5 years after ROTK.
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Yeah, I'm also betting on about 5 years max.
I would love to be a part of making that movie - I'd better hurry up and get myself over to New Zealand fast and squeeze my way into WETA Digital! Big Smile Smilie Big Smile Smilie Wink Smilie

If anyone happens to know PJ - please put in a good word for me Orc Grinning Smilie teeheehee
I agree with you. I was speaking to my mum the other day and said,"I`d love to be in a film like LOTR. I`ve taken drama exams and been in lots of shows so, hopefully, I`ll be in a creative film like that one day."
I`d like to work along side everyone from LOTR, but most of all LEGOLAS! SIGH......... Big Laugh Smilie
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Hate to point this out Grond, but it took George Lucas over 15 years before he felt he could face his "galaxy far far away" again.
Your right, and look at the last two crap movies that were the result. Should I bother viewing the DVD of AotC I got for Christmas, or will I be even more dissapointed than I was after viewing Episode I? That shows how much I've been put off by Lucas' recent efforts. I wouldn't see AotC in the theatre and have had the DVD for 6 weeks and haven't even bothered to open the wrapper. Shaking Head Smilie

Hopefully, PJ won't make mush out of The Hobbit.
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Should I bother viewing the DVD of AotC I got for Christmas, or will I be even more dissapointed than I was after viewing Episode I?


Yeah, it's worth a watch, and those who hated ep1 seem to much prefer ep2, I'm the other way round really. And Disc 2 has some really interesting docs on digital filming and effects even if you don't like the movie.

As for the LOTR movies being "creative films" I have to disagree, they are big business franchise movies made with the express purpose of pulling in a shedload of cash. Plus as they are using a book as a template, they're not really very creative movies at all, hardly Citizen kane is it?
What I meant was that the setting was beautiful, although they used the book, which I would have done, otherwise they could come up with any sort of setting like a dessert. (That would be only if they had lost their minds! Teeheehee! Big Laugh Smilie ) I liked the scenery that they made in, both, FOTR and TTT. They had some wonderful scenery and some horrible scenery for different reasons. I forgot the scenery maker`s name(s). If I had met him, then I`d like to thank him, I`d also like to thank everyone else that was involved, in both films, for different things. I`d like to thank them personally. Anyone else like to do that. I know some of you would like to say it could have been a better film or it was rubbish compared to either film, whatever film you`re talking about. I hope each person liked even one minor detail at least in each film, FOTR/ TTT. So any thoughts? Big Smile Smilie

[Edited on 7/2/2003 by Sheryl]
That’s a great article about Sir Ian asking PJ for a Hobbit adaptation on the home page. I hadn't seen that yet, so thanks to whoever posted that one. I think I would still prefer a film version, but who knows, if done right, this TV series thing could be fantastic. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens that's for sure!
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Me two. Smile Smilie Sorry, I`m supposed to be keeping my mouth shut from now on. *sheryl shuts up*
Don't stop writing, just think before you before you hit the post button and go back and use the edit button if you change your mind.

No one should feel muzzled. Except for politics, religion, and rudeness you are free to speak your mind.
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Don't stop writing, just think before you before you hit the post button and go back and use the edit button if you change your mind.

I have to second what Grondy said Sheryl. We don't want you to Shut Up! We just want you to think about what other people's feelings. Don't forget, that edit button is there for a reason.
I would love to see them making a movie of The Hobbit!!! But if they are going to make it then I think they better make it fast because Ian Holm isn´t getting any younger.....But jolly me roger that would be a magnificient movie....although it most be a hard task creating a good Smaug.....I mean WOW great job on Sméagol/Gollum but Smaug is big and he is in the book alot in the end....and what about the spiders, the trolls and the eagles!!! And not to forget about the giants throwing rocks... but I´d like to see that movie Smoke Smilie
With the sort of money available, I don't think a dragon is out of the question. There's some great ones in Reign of Fire and Dungeons and Dragons. Even Dragonslayer, which must be getting on for twenty years old now, had a great dragon.
Ringfacwen who was Draco now? Was it the dragon that gave half his heart to the king? If so I thought his death was sad....being slain by a retired dragonslayer and his friend..... Sad Smilie Sean Connery made his voice!
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Ringfacwen who was Draco now? Was it the dragon that gave half his heart to the king? If so I thought his death was sad....being slain by a retired dragonslayer and his friend.....
Anytime the last of a species dies it is sad, all the more so when it is a sentient being who has reformed and now wants nothing more than to live in peace. That he gave his life that the tyrantic king could be laid to rest, just made this dragon's death heroic and doubly sad. Very Sad Smilie
Yes Grondy I agree....*sob* Very Sad Smilie *sob*
I sure hope NOT!!! Draco was noble and a good dragon unlike Smaug.....Smaug should be like the description of him....a bad dragon....He should be very.......well you get the picture if you re-read The Hobbit....He should be NOT as remotely close to appear as Draco.....Draco Draco why were you so noble at that time when the prince was dying and gave him half of your heart.....hadn´t you given him it you would still live as a wonderful dragon.... Very Sad Smilie Sad Smilie
I really hope they do the hobbit! too bad there is not a role for me in it! Sad Smilie
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I really hope they do the hobbit! too bad there is not a role for me in it! Sad Smilie
What! You don't want to play Lobeila-Sackville-Baggins? Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

Then how about as a silly elf in Rivendell or as one of the extras in Lake-town? Happy Elf Smilie
Meeting only Legolas` father in TH was a little disappointing, because I couldn`t wait to meet Legolas and now I`ve got to wait until 'The Council Of Elrond' in FOTR. Oh well, it`s worth the wait. But I do hope that they make the hobbit, it`ll be an interesting film. Big Smile Smilie
Grondy Aotc is ok, but it has a bit to much cgi for my liking, but I love all of Jim Hensons puppet's.

Ok here's PJ's version of the Hobbit.

There's this Hobbit, he runs away to attack the elves and falls in love with this bird called Arwen. He goes of and fight's these goblins who are ruled by a balrog, escapes with his life by finding a ring. Then he goes and attacks the necromancer of dol guldur. Mortally wounds him but tell's him he's called Baggins and lives in the shire and has he seen his pretty ring. Then he goes and attacks these elves, walks on the water down to the dale attacks the men. Goes and finds the dragon kills it, love scene with horny elf maiden. sides with the goblins, wargs and eagles and attacks the dwarves, men and elves. Goes home and turns the shire into a large theme park!

[Edited on 14/4/2003 by Ross]
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