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OK the fact that I am a total newbie to Tolkien is really going to show in this post. Don't laugh too hard. What is a Numenor??

Ashley276
Hi Ashley!
It's not a problem that you're a newbie. After all, we all were newbies once. You just need more reading Wink Smilie

About your question ;

Númenor
Ancient home of the Dúnedain


The island kingdom of the Dúnedain, raised from the sea by the Valar as a gift and reward to the Men who had remained faithful through the dark years of the First Age. The Edain who had dwelt in Beleriand were led to the island in II 32 by Elros the Half-elven, who unlike his brother Elrond had chosen to be counted among Men rather than Elves.

Elros became the first King of Númenor, taking the name Tar-Minyatur. Under his rule, and the rule of his descendants, the Númenóreans rose to become the most powerful nation of Men in that or any other age. Their mighty ships returned to Middle-earth in II 600, and there they founded havens and cities.

For the early part of their history, the Númenóreans were closely allied with the Elves of Tol Eressëa, which lay close to their western shores. The Elves visited them often, and taught them much, but the Númenóreans themselves were forbidden to sail westwards, because the Valar feared they would become envious of the Undying Lands they and the Elves inhabited. As their greatness and power grew, the Númenóreans began to turn against the Ban of the Valar, and at last Ar-Adûnakhôr, who became King in II 2899 turned openly against it, though he did not dare defy it.

The last King of Númenor was Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, who usurped the throne of the rightful queen Míriel in II 3255. He took his armies to Middle-earth to make war upon Sauron, and so great had the Númenóreans become that Sauron's forces deserted him. Seeing an opportunity to destroy his enemy, Sauron sued for peace and returned with the King to Númenor. He gradually gained Ar-Pharazôn's trust, and persuaded him to sail openly against the Valar. This he did in II 3319, but as he set foot on the forbidden shores of Aman, the Land of Gift was taken away and swallowed beneath the waves forever.

Some few survived the Downfall; Elendil, his sons and his followers had prepared themselves for the disaster and taken ship, and were driven back across the seas to Middle-earth. There they founded the famous realms of Arnor and Gondor, though these were but a dim reflection of the glory of Númenor at its height

Source : Encyclopedia of Arda , the best friend of a Tolkien newbie

Hope this is helpful. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Thanks so much for the response. I think that explains it a little better. However there is one thing that Iwas wondering?? Why does a Numenor or Dunedin live for so long?? I mean they are refered to as a race of men so why the long life?? Did I miss that part somewhere??

Ashley276
That's in the Silmarillion. Dúnedain lived "long" as a reward for the efforts of the Houses of Hador, Haleth and Beör (of which they descended) in the war of the Silmarils in the first age. The record of longest living man comes to Elros : 500 years.

You shouldn't be afraid to ask any question on this forum : there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
Well thank you Vir, I appriciate the answer to my questions, both of them. Things make more sense now and I bet they will make even more sense if I would pick up that copy of the Silmarillion that I bought the other day.

Ashley276
From Akallabeth - The Silmarillion

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To the Fathers of Men of the three faithful houses rich reward was also given. Eonwe came among them and taught them: and they were given wisdom and power and life more enduring than any others of mortal race have possessed.


In many ways their first king, Elros, was something of a special case. At 500, his lifespan was the longest of any Man (barring possibly the Mouth of Sauron), but he was after all Elrond's younger brother, and thus half-elf. The kings which followed him lived for around 400 years, but as time passed the normal lifespan of the Numenorians fell to about half of that age.
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The Edain who had dwelt in Beleriand were led to the island in II 32 by Elros the Half-elven, who unlike his brother Elrond had chosen to be counted among Men rather than Elves.


So what made Elros and Elrond make the decisions they did on which race to be counted among? Did they have long discussion about pros and cons?
I have never read anything about the reasons they chose what they chose, unfortunately. Perhaps JRRT has mentioned it in one of his letters, but i haven't read anything about this topic yet.

If i have to give an explanation : Earendil also wanted to choose to be counted among Men, but as his wife Elwing already chose to be an Elf, he also chose to become an Elf (lesson of the day is : never let a woman choose first). Perhaps it was the same with Elros and Elrond : like his father, Elros was more close the the race of Men, the race of his grandfather Tuor, whilst Elrond was more a mommy's child, a bit girly perhaps, loved to sing and wander around in forests... i don't know.
It happened because Tolkien needed it to happen. In such cases let us put it down to divine intervention. The importance of Elrond and Elros was not their Elven blood as much as their Maian blood from Melian. It is this blood which so envigored Elros's line of Numenorian kings, right through their days as the Faithful, as Gondorian kings and as Chieftains of the Rangers. By the Fourth age, however, it must have been growing thin, and needed re-invigorating.... Enter Arwen.

Seems rather cold, but Elrond was merely Eru's tool to ensure an undiluted reservoir of Melian's blood was available to found a new dynasty come the Age of Men in the Fourth Age.