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Leelee posted the following in the wrong spot and asked that it be moved to a better place; I figured it should be under LotR rather than in either of the general discussion threads; thus:
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Leelee has made 378 posts is an Elf from Rivendell and is not Online.
Posted Tuesday 13th March 2007 (06:18pm)


Two passages in Fellowship of the Ring are dear to my heart and set up the premise for this thread.
the first, pag 359:
Legolas did not sleep with the other companions, though he returned to eat and talk with them.Often he took Gimli with him when he went abroad in the land, and the others wondered as this change.
The second,pge 372:
The Company was arranged in th is way: Aragorn, Frodo and Same were in one boat;Boromir, Merry and Pippin in another; and in the third were Legolas adn Gimli, who had now become fast friends.
I marvel at this myself.Aside from the fact that they heeded Gandalf's admonishen to put aside their ancient grievances for the sake of the Fellowship and the Quest, they personally found in one another something deeper even than blood love or friendship. Or so it seems to me anyway.
What was it, why did not Legolas get that close to say Aragorn with whom he had much more in common in some ways, or the playful Hobbits. Why Gimli the son of Gloin?

And the question of this thread is,
what character from Middle Earth would you choose to be that heart close to you, someone you could and would trust with your secrets and hopes and fears and want to be in all of your future come what may?

Although I dearly love Gandalf and Eowyn and several others really I must go with Frodo. It is he my heart treasures above all others. I would want to be with him and share my thoughts and joys and defeats, my grief and my pain and my hopes with him. As he longed for Bilbo in the end above all others he loved and he dearly loved Sam, so I would not bear to be separated from Frodo.And to be with him and the elves in the end even if it meant leaving all others behind that my soul loved, so be it.
I choose Frodo.
Anyone else have thoughts about whom they would choose?
Oh my deepest thanks dearest Grondy. Smile Smilie
Gandalf, most probably. As the wisest being in Middle-earth, he'd probably be able to furnish some excellent advise.

Celeborn or Elrond would be acceptable for that purpose as well.
These choices you made Vir, would that be simply because of what they could impart from you, or was there something in their nature, their personalities that would cause you to want not to be parted from them on purely an emotional friendship level?
No, I'd never befriend an Elf. You can't even look at them without wearing shades. So unpractical.
sniff..........does that include this elf? And what do you mean impractical. I realize we spend a lot of time thinking and singing and trying to preserve things as they were. But we are fiercely loyal and strong and swift and good fighters. I cannot believe you said that Vir dear. Sad Smilie
I, for one, would certainly value your friendship, Leelee, and I also would choose Frodo of all the company in Middle earth. He is also my lifelong favorite charsacter and has been since I was eleven. Maybe I would choose Sam, also.. I think most of choose for our friends those with whom we have the most in common probably more so than those we admire. With someone that you have common ground with you feel at ease opening your heart, you feel less vunerable or open to ridicule. With all that Frodo has gone through, he has grown and changed immensley and I feel he would be the most understanding. He went from a carefree and mischieveous young hobbit to one who literally bore the weight of the future of the earth on his shoulders. He endured the fear of failure and came face to face with his own frailty. Frodo had to overcome not only the ring and the orcs and sauron but he had to overcome himself, too. He has made mistakes and learned new attitudes and ways of thinking. He would certainly understand the weaknesses I have. Sam? Sam has no pretensions. He's plain and simple and he knows it but he has strength that lies under the surface. He's determined and strong in the way the earth is strong and while he may understand my weaknesses he might not share them..

One of the best parts of the story for me is the friendship between Legolas and Gimli. I love to see characters grow. Sometimes (forgive my rambling, if you can) I think each of us lives many, or at least several, different lifetimes, I know I have. Perhaps the attraction between these two began because what they each saw in the other was so completely different than what they expected. Each had grown up believing these stereotypicall things about each other's races and then when thrown into close company they discovered these were not true at all. So they learned more and more about each other, discovering they each had common weaknesses (Gimli's discomfort on horseback and Legolas's discomfort underground) and the friendship blossomed.
How exquisitely you put things Sian. How beautiful and I agree very much with your thoughts.
As for Gimli and Legolas I too am enamoured of their friendship and it puts me in mind of a few I have and do enjoy.I was, because of severe emotional trauma and great physical illness,very delicate and extremely sensitive as a child and well that has not changed really. And into dance and ancient Celtic music, writing and walking alone to think.I always had good friends but was mainly introverted and burned out easily around people. Funnily enough I became a person whose job meant having to be around a lot of people for years!
But in the midst of that I would meet gruff, almost scarey type people, often men who everyone else except perhaps axe murderers would avoid. And they despised my type at the onset. But somehow they would just love me and me them and we would be inseparable friends and strangely compatible to one another. And the friendships have lasted. Go figure. None of my other friends could understand but they would just pat me on the head or hug me and tell me that it was because I am Faerie.
Here is a little glimpse at least that dear Father Tolkien as I like to call him gave us concerning why Gimli was drawn to Legolas heart to h eart. Page 491 of my copy:
Concerning Mirkwood:
"it is old, very old," said the Elf. 'So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children.It is old and full of memory. I could have been happy here, if I had come in days of peace.'
'I dare say you could,'snolrted Gimli.'You are a Wood-elf, anyway,though Elves of any kind are strange folk. Yet you comfort me.Where you go I will go........'
that just makes me want to cry for the sincerity and simplicity of their friendship. That truly is a description of inseparable friends don't you think?
The friendship of Gimli and Legolas is indeed one of the most remarkable ones in the Third Age, an age where elves and dwarves are estranged form each other. Perhaps that is the reason Legolas chose to take Gimi with him on his voyage to the far West and the reason that the Powers would allow that. I think Tolkien explicated this as the reward for the pureness of friendship that can occur is "of the fea" rather than of race, or blood, or anything else.
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The friendship of Gimli and Legolas is indeed one of the most remarkable ones in the Third Age, an age where elves and dwarves are estranged form each other.

Even more remarkable was Celebrían, Elrond's wife, who befriended a band of Orcs from the Misty Mountains. Unfortunately though, her wicked sons slew them all for no reason.

Then their mother became so broken hearted at the loss of her friends, that she had to leave Middle-earth behind, never to see her daughter (the witch Sycorax) again. *sniff*

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I think Tolkien explicated this as the reward for the pureness of friendship that can occur is "of the fea" rather than of race, or blood, or anything else.

It's mentioned in the Appendices that if it is true that Gimli was allowed to the Undying Lands, it was because of a boon from Galadriel.
I wrote earlier of what Gimli said to Legolas that showed his heart.Then this morning I found something Legolas said to Gimli.The two, with Aragorn and Theoden and Eomer had made it to Helm's Deep and were being beseiged by the countless army of the Orcs and others in the service to Sauron.
Gimli first speaksSad Smiliepg 532)

Give me a year and a hundred of my kin and I would make this a place that armies would break upon like water.'
'I do not doubt it,'said Legolas. 'Bu you are a dwrf, and dwrves are strange folk. I do not like th is place, and I shall like it no more by the light of day. But you comfort me, Gimli, and I am glad to have you standing nigh with your stout legs and your hard axe.'
I guess I was surprised that both freely gave their positive feelings to one another since to do so left them in a position of weakness as it were.They could not hided behind anything. I admire that.
After reading that passage, I wonder whether I am the only thinking that Legolas was being sarcastic and Gimli gullibly fell for it.

After all, inseparable fiends banter to their hearts' content.
I don't believe it was in the nature of Legolas to be a sarcastic person. I think he had a fair sense of Elvish humour and the love that he already bore for his now inseperable friend allowed him to tease Gimli by saying sort of the same thing. But at the back of it I think he meant what he said feelingwise anyway.
Strange, I thought you lived in UK dear Vir, but that cannot be so.
Point of Order: In the conversation between Legolas and Gimli (posted Thursday 15th March 2007 at 04:24pm) about the forest being very old, the forest in question was Fangorn, not Mirkwood. The three companions had just entered Fangorn in search for the two captive hobbits and Legolas said the forest was angry and tense, .....'It takes my breath.'
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'I feel the air is stuffy,' said the Dwarf. 'This wood is lighter than Mirkwood, but it is musty and shabby.'
'It is old, very old,' said the Elf. 'So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children.....

This dosen't change the essence of Leelee's post just about where it took place in near the beginning of 'The White Rider' in TTT.
Leelee, I agree with you. Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin--they all shared a bond and showed frequently how they loved each other as best friends do. In their own way, I think Legolas and Gimli were like that too. So I would like to have those hobbits for my friends, but I think I would like to have been close to Aragorn as well. He and Gandalf seemed to have a history of long "walks" together. Maybe this is something like Tolkien's long treks with his Inkling friends, particularly Lewis. You can't go on an excursion like that, you can't be "up someone's nose" for that length of time, without getting to know that person and in the end caring about that person deeply. I picture Gandalf and Aragorn knowing each other that well. And--unspoken, like Tolkien's own manner with friends--they shared a love for the great things of Middle Earth which few could share, becoming for one another that friend who could not be replaced by any other.
Point of order well taken, I was thinking of one thing and wrote of another, that is what happens when you are too busy! Thankyou. If we cannot speak the truth of something we should not speak it at all!
Olorin I think you would do very well with Aragorn. For me he and Gandalf are like fathers that I revere and would want to lay my head against of an evening u nder star and elven moon, listening to their tales and feeling safe no matter what horror lay beyond. I guess I would feel too shy to count them as bosom friends. Perhaps that is because I am female. But if one could, and you can, how wondrous and comforting and stimulating indeed to have such an inseperable friend.
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I guess I would feel too shy to count them as bosom friends. Perhaps that is because I am female.

I don't understand. You feel that men and women can't be best friends?
C'mon Vir ,I'm sure that's not what Leelee meantSmile Smilie Of course you can
No I do not mean that at all. In fact if the truth be known I have had far more guy friends that were as close as any brother and sister, than girl friends, though the ones I have have been for years.
No, I am talking about that particular time in Middle-Earth. Times were different, intense and knowing who I am , my personality, I think I would have been too shy to just jump in and take two such illustrious , driven men, well one higher, to my bosom in inseparable friendship-you know, sharing the deepest things of my heart .I feel the times would not have been right, no time and they had to go and do what I could not so I would not have the luxury to be with them enough like they were with one another to do this. What I meant though about seeing them as fathers was that their courage and strength, their farsightedness would have been a great comfort to me and sustained me through the months or weeks or whatever of separation from them. That is all.
Hullo dear Mellon, you have been on my mind daily now for weeks. I do hope that all is well and happy with you . Smile Smilie
Oh and I should like to add to that that Frodo in my opinion and a deep inseperable friendship with him was possible even though h e was a guy because he was Hobbit and very different. And what is more he was leaning toward Elvishness and that would be a bridge, a bond between us. Plus the fact that he was very sensitive and gentle and not lofty. Just an ordinary Hobbit doing an extraordinary thing. I can relate to that.
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I am talking about that particular time in Middle-Earth

Sorry then Leelee , I thought you meant in real-life..after reading your answer in the above thread I agree with you in someway. on the other hand ..Arwen and Aragorn were lovers(and afterward husband and wife) but I think they were also Inseparable friends ..the deepest trust and honestly feelings they had for each other does that not count ? I may be naive but MY best friend is also my husband..(To your answer your personal question Leelee : I'm doing great and enjoy every day of my life Smile Smilie I very much like reading your journals and what you write in different threads .I've said it before, you are a great writer and poetHappy Elf Smilie )
I am blushing, and could now fry eggs on my face, you are too kind.
I understand about one's lover being a best friend but they were on equal footing in many ways, he the King, she the Evenstar and they both had Rivendell. But I would be very shy of such great men, they would be much above me and so I would be content to simply sit in their shadow now and then and listen to their wisdom. I could not see myself being inseperable friends with them.
And you were not wrong dear Mellon for I projected my own feelings on to Middle-Earth in some sense. I have had several guy best friends but that is because they saw me as a little sister. All the other guys stare at me and all the general make a pass thing and I am so shy I cannot even bear to be at the checkout with a guy cashier. One time, well twice really two guys got out of their trucks and chased me for blocks to ask me out. A nightmare. I find myself praying that I won't be noticed when I go for a walk with little Hasia. My friends laugh and laugh about it, my girlfriends but there it is. And to think I taught dance and performed, but that was different as I did not have to think about guys or look at them. And when I was women's editor I found it excruciating. I would be writing away and then look up and guys would be staring and I would blush crimson no matter how I tried to stop it. So no I could not do it. You all are much braver than me.
I just read this morning in a little snatch of time where Legolas is invited by Treebeard to come in the future if fortune and fate allowed and enjoy Fangorn Forest to his heart's delight.
Legolas said that he would indeed and that he had made a pact with his friend to come back. Treebeard responds by saying that any elf friend of his is welcome whereupon sweet Legolas informs the Ent that his friend is in fact a dwarf. Treebeard looks down on Gimli and then his axe and is not pleased. Legolas explains and Gimli explains what his axe if for, to trim the heads off the necks of the orcs and he has slain 24. Then Legolas adds 'in any case I would not come without him' Just like that. He longs to come but would not come if his dear friend Gimli is not welcome to come. That is so beautiful.
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Legolas explains and Gimli explains what his axe if for, to trim the heads off the necks of the orcs and he has slain 24. Then Legolas adds 'in any case I would not come without him' Just like that. He longs to come but would not come if his dear friend Gimli is not welcome to come. That is so beautiful.

Maiming dead Orc bodies together is a strange way of spending friendship.
you are not a lawyer for Crown counsel are you dear Vir. Every day I find you more and more intriguing!
I am at the part where it seems dear Frodo lies in the cold bed of death from the sting of Shelob and there is one of my favorite and most important scenes from the movie where Sam, tears flowing like a waterfall down his face begs Mr. Frodo not to go where he can not follow, not to leave him behind.He has a choice to make and decides on taking the ring and finishing what he came for , to help see the unmaking of the Ring. And then he says his dearest wish is that Galadriel or someone would grant that he could return and find Frodo unharmed by the enemy and then he would join him.
that dear Vir is a supreme case of Inseperable friends that even you cannot find fault with. non?
Were I Virumor, I'd come back with, 'Sam was only crying because Frodo owed him six months in back-wages, for doing all the cooking and heavy lifting on their journey. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
No, I'd posted that Sam was sobbing at that point because he realized that upon the death of his master, he would never again be able to find the way back home since he was a) too dim-witted and b) back in Rivendell he merely spent time in the kitchens and playing with kites with the Elfies, instead of studying the maps of the whole of Middle-earth.
Vir!!!!!!! How COULD you say such a thing. Our Sam might have been a plain simple Hobbit , and even that is not true for he knew his letters thanks to Mr. Bilbo and he loved things Elven, but he was by no means what you describe h im. That is untrue.
He did many courageous things. How do you honestly think you would have fared upon thinking the Master to be dead, in that dark dread place and surrounded by Orcs? That was the most terrible place to be in and he did not lose his head. He carried on in honor and helped Frodo finish the quest. Really dear Vir, I cannot think you mean those words. Perhaps you merely need a gentle nap and a walk in the park.
And Grondy, you are too funny. Really what a pair. Smile Smilie
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How do you honestly think you would have fared upon thinking the Master to be dead, in that dark dread place and surrounded by Orcs?

I'd destroy the Ring and go home.
I don't quite understand dear Vir as to what you actually mean by that statement'I would destroy the ring and go home.'
Do you mean that you would keep it on and somehow make it to the cracks of doom unseen, though I don't see how that is possible, surely the greater evil and Sauron himself would then be aware of you(i never got how sam could do that without Sauron knowing)and then once the ring is unmade just leave? Leave without ever seeing to Frodo's body and such?
I simply do n ot believe that you have such a cold heart. No, I do not believe that.
'The devil is in the details' can be applied to Virumor's above flippant answer Leelee. Don't take all his answers at face value; sometimes he is pulling our legs. Happy Elf Smilie

Your query about why Sauron didn't feel Sam wearing the Ring is a good one. The only reason I can see is that his eye was probably pointed at the Battle of Pelennor Fields Serching Smilie and overshot Cirith Ungol, thus missing Sam. Still, this seems like a lame excuse, but then maybe there is limited range when he can actually feel the Ring if he isn't looking directly at it.
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Do you mean that you would keep it on and somehow make it to the cracks of doom unseen, though I don't see how that is possible, surely the greater evil and Sauron himself would then be aware of you(i never got how sam could do that without Sauron knowing)and then once the ring is unmade just leave? Leave without ever seeing to Frodo's body and such?
I simply do n ot believe that you have such a cold heart. No, I do not believe that.

The fate of the many depends on the sacrifice of the few.

And I would obviously not put it on. Frodo didn't either.

Although, indeed, turning over the Ring to Sauron and joining the 'dark side' is another option... I could rule over the lands of the West as Sauron's second-in-command. Not bad.

3v1| Rul3zzz!

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Your query about why Sauron didn't feel Sam wearing the Ring is a good one. The only reason I can see is that his eye was probably pointed at the Battle of Pelennor Fields and overshot Cirith Ungol, thus missing Sam. Still, this seems like a lame excuse, but then maybe there is limited range when he can actually feel the Ring if he isn't looking directly at it.

He believed Aragorn had the Ring after Aragorn had shown himself to him in the Palantír, hence indeed all his Eye(s) were focused on Minas Tirith.
The problem with that reasoning is the fact that when Frodo, Sam and Smeagol were climbing the stair and the door opened below them and the h ordes started leaving to go to war, there was a moment when the Witch king became troubled. It states that as he rode upon his winged steed he became troubled and stopped, trying to understand the reason. He was sensing the ring right away. And he was only a puppet of Sauron with no real power other than what he was given by the dread lord.
If that being the case, to have the ring so close to Sauron would mean that at once he should be aware of it. It mattered not that his'eye' was fixed on Aragorn and the other direction.The Ring of Power had a will of it's own that caused it to ever respond to the Master, the Lord and it would call to him just as surely as he called and bent his will to it. That part just does not make a bit of logical sense to me.none.
And you would not get to rule anything dear Vir, you would be a squished pancake with no will of your own, that is if you got to live.Probably the dark lord would enjoy torturing you forever because you dared to think you could have any part in ruling. Poor boy, we loved him well.
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If that being the case, to have the ring so close to Sauron would mean that at once he should be aware of it. It mattered not that his'eye' was fixed on Aragorn and the other direction.The Ring of Power had a will of it's own that caused it to ever respond to the Master, the Lord and it would call to him just as surely as he called and bent his will to it. That part just does not make a bit of logical sense to me.none.

Your point simply does not apply. Note that what you mention didn't happen in the books. The Eye was distracted on the Dagorlad, hence didn't detect the Ring in the Sammath Naûr even when it was so close.

The Ring could not call out to Sauron, it could only make itself clear to Sauron by convincing its possessor to wear it, which succeeded with Frodo in the Sammath Naûr.

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And you would not get to rule anything dear Vir, you would be a squished pancake with no will of your own, that is if you got to live.Probably the dark lord would enjoy torturing you forever because you dared to think you could have any part in ruling. Poor boy, we loved him well.

Not forever, at any rate, since no matter what would happen evil would eventually be vanquished.
But the unworn Ring may have called out to the Witch-King as he led his army out of Minas Morgul. For he did halt, sensing some other power within his valley and he swept the shadows with his unseeing eyes. He didn't move on until Frodo overcame the Ring's summons to put it on and grasped instead the Lady's starglass. - This occurred five pages into 'The Stairs of Cirith Ungol' in TTT.

I don't believe the Witch-King would not have sensed Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, had not they had the Ring with them.
The Morgul lord sensed the Ring simply because of the Nazgûl's bond to the One Ring. That's why Sauron used them as his sleuth hounds. There is no case here of the Ring calling out to the Morgul lord, the only thing it tried was trying to convince Frodo to wear it.

Even without the Ring, I gather the Witch-King may have sensed Frodo because Frodo remained very slightly part of the "spirit world" after being stabbed by the Morgul blade; though Elrond healed him, Gandalf still noticed Frodo had slightly 'faded'.

Either way, the extrapolation from the Witch-King to Sauron is not correct.
I see what you mean dear Vir, but I maintain , in my opinion that the ring had been crafted in such a way that it was an entity unto itself. It and the dread lord were one of course because it came from him, but I liken it to a man and a woman who become one, who are inseparable friends and agree on all great points. They are separate but think as one, yet they still both have their will.
This is something to ponder. I looked up the ring in the Thain and it offers this:

The Ring appeared to have a will of its own. It could leave its bearer in order to return to Sauron, to whom it was linked. The Ring slipped off Isildur's finger in the Gladden Fields and exposed him to the Orcs hunting him. It left Gollum too when its master Sauron was stirring again in Middle-earth. Frodo was tempted to put the Ring on in the presence of the Nazgul, and thereby expose himself and the Ring to them.
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The Nazgul were drawn to the Ring, and Sauron was also able to sense it. Sauron became aware of Frodo when he wore the Ring first at Amon Hen and then at Mount Doom. Sam Gamgee felt Sauron seeking him when he used the Ring on the borders of Mordor. '

So if it seemed to have a will of its own why could it not in effect call out in some way at least making the mind of Sauron uneasy even if his own powers were sufficiently great enough at that time to know instantly where the location of it was.
I just think that it did in some way keep calling to its master because it could not be at rest as it were either until it was back in his possession.



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but I liken it to a man and a woman who become one, who are inseparable friends and agree on all great points.

Huh?! What kind of a marriage is that?

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So if it seemed to have a will of its own why could it not in effect call out in some way at least making the mind of Sauron uneasy even if his own powers were sufficiently great enough at that time to know instantly where the location of it was.
I just think that it did in some way keep calling to its master because it could not be at rest as it were either until it was back in his possession.

Whatever the case, it was not good enough to break Sauron's distraction.
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Whatever the case, it was not good enough to break Sauron's distraction.
Yup, Sauron didn't know the Ring was within his realm until Frodo donned it while at the Cracks of Doom and then Sauron felt his doom. Had he felt Sam wearing the Ring aty Cirith Ungol, our story would have been rather a bust. Imagine going to all that trouble only to have Sauron to finally regain the Ring; what kind of a story would that have made?
True, but all that shows me is that Sauron was not as powerful in himself yet as he could have been, not by far. Without his thralls and the nine where would he be? If he himself was all that powerful he would have known,the ring was from him, part of him, it had an aura that nothing else had nor ever could have. Why even Faramir, having just escaped barely from the wraiths on their winged steeds, exhausted beyond reason, scared and having to face his father, in the midst of all the yelling and shouting, he heard Pippins tiny voice immediately. And he had no powers!
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And he had no powers!

He had the Númenoran blood, though.

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Without his thralls and the nine where would he be?

Hiding somewhere. Evil is, after all, cowardly.
I realize I have no proof really to claim these do as inseperable friends, but I do claim it just the same.
I do not think that the twin sons of Elrond were forced to be together day and night as it were. I believe they had the same freedom of thought and choice as their sister Arwen who spent years with her mother's people and th en with her fathers, going where it pleased her.
I just get this feeling constantly when I read of them in the appendices going after their mother who was captured and tortured in mind and body by the orcs, of them riding with the Rohirrim and the Dunedain, of t hem in battle, that they genuinely loved and respected one another and chose above all fellows of their kind one another to fellowship with and share secrets of the heart.
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I do not think that the twin sons of Elrond were forced to be together day and night as it were.

Are you saying they were not Siamese twins?!

I've always regarded this as a perfect explanation for why they were undecided in the end whether to stay or leave and delayed their choice : the one on the left wanted to leave, and the one on the right wanted to stay! Stalemate!
Although the two were separated by distance and duties, I offer Eomer, sister son of the fallen King Theoden and Aragorn, the returned King as inseperable friends. There is a speech of sorts that Eomer gives when he tells Aragorn that from the first ere he met him he loved him and thereafter when Sauron had been overthrown and peace had come once more to Middle-Earth, the two rode out on campaigns to squelch smaller uprisings by evil folk that tried to carry on the hate of the Dark lord and rise up against the king again. They did this for many years.
I haven't gotten to that part of the Trilogy yet (I'm re-reading and can only read a few pages a night) but I can really see these two as fast friends. They may have a few differences in upbringing and lifestyle but their motivation and desire to work for the good of middle earth and its peoples is the same so they would surely have a bond of the heart.
I think that Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, besides being husband and wife were truly the very dearest and closest of friends, so inseperable they could not bear to be apart for more than hours and always were they doing little kindnesses for one another. They seemed to think amazingly alike considering one was the River Woman's daughter and one seemed to come from far away over sea and take on the deepest of love for everything green and beautiful that Illuvatar had created.It must have been a joy to spend an hour or two or perhaps a long time with that couple and bask in the beauty of their love and friendship. Total soulmates.
Agreed about Tom and Goldberry. Perfect relationship/friendship there, they didn't take things so seriously even as they were seriously friends/lovers, complimenting eachother perfectly in all things that the two really were like one. Theirs was the most beautiful relationship IMO because of what it was, just that, two people, happy with eachother.
I realized the book doesn't go into it, but it seems to me that the young son of Beregond, spelling? was becoming a fast friend to Pippin and so was his father. Although different ages, the Hobbit seemed to bring out the best in both, with the father he could talk of military things and life and quests and lore and such as well as the hope of elves and all free men; with the boy Pippin could play and sing and dance and be 'tweenish' and silly which seemed to be so dear to the hearts of Hobbits that age. I can see in my mind their friendships steadily growing and strengthening for all their lives even if they could not always fellowship together.
I don't think Pippin would have had much time to spend playing with Bergil once he assumed his duties serving Denethor. After the war he would have had the time, but by then having experienced war first hand, he probably wouldn't have had the heart to be in a playful mood. I know Merry still wasn't; and they probably both suffered from post-traumatic stress symptoms, even though hobbits are quite resilient.

I haven't checked in Appendix B, but by the time Pippin and Merry returned to Gondor, Beregond had probably died of old age; and I doubt if his friendship with Bergil would have amounted to much more than meeting in a pub for an evening or two of trading reminiscences, now that they were both gaffers. Of course, I'm probably wrong. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
No, I think you must be right, and I never once thought of the fact that Beregond would have died of old age, somehow I never thought of him as that old when he and Pippin were together, perhaps because of the fact that the child was still so young in age.
Thankyou Grondy.
I just ran the numbers to ensure my above proposition was plausible: Pippin was almost 29 when he first met Bergil, who was 10 in SR 1419. - from 'Minas Tirith' of RotK. Merry and Pippin journeyed to Rohan and Gondor in SR 1484, (when Merry was 102). - from Appendix B of RotK. Thus Bergil would have been 75 when Pippin returned and aged about 94.

So yes, we can assume Beregond would have died by then and Bergil, if still alive would be quite the elder gaffer.
Yes so if they indeed did get together and decided to flip one another that would be quite interesting, don't you think dear Grondy? hahahahahahaha Big Smile Smilie
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