Thread: Orlando Bloom = Legolas?
So, I know this is a great controversy. Where do you all stand? Do think Bloom was awesome? Do you think he was just "ok?" Or, like me, do you think he was pretty much the only character that was [u:2for3hvq]ruined[/u:2for3hvq] by the movie?
Personally, I don't like Orlando Bloom. I think he is a decent actor and to get such a huge role straight after drama school is impressive, but his voice drives me insane, especially as Paris in Troy. However, I did think that he managed to capture Legolas in a way similar to how I envisaged from reading the books. He has that surreal, inhuman quality that I usually dislike but which seems to suit an elf.
The character which was most ruined, not by the script but by the actor, was Aragorn. Don't get me wrong, Viggo's acting is good. In fact, had I seen it in any other movie, I would have called it exceptional. But, in the shadow of lesser roles such as John Noble, David Wenham, Sean Bean, Miranda Otto, Sean Astin, Ian McKellen, and Bernard Hill, all of whom completely outclass him, his performance seems two-dimensional and withdrawn. In comparison, Viggo appears to suffer from Tom Cruise syndrome- he's the star, the movie's all about him, so why bother acting when sitting there and sweating with a mysterious look on your face will get the fan girls writhing just as much?
I must admit, the script does have something to do with this, and maybe Viggo didn't have much to work with. After all, his character, although human, as portrayed with basically no flaws- his character doesn't really go through as much of an arc as he does in the book, nor does he go through as intense an emotional struggle. Or maybe he does, you just don't know because he is stony-faced throughout. And having three female major characters- two of whom like him and the other is his bride-to-be's grandmother- does little to appease this problem.
Did you know, I hadn't even noticed the little thing between Aragorn and Eowyn in the book until I watched the movie? I thought it was blatant disregard for literature when she fell for him in the theatrical version and didn't even give Faramir a passing glance. They do give it a quick mention in the extended version but it doesn't make sense without the book companion.
Anyway, back on topic, the other character that is ruined, not by the acting this time but by the script, is Frodo. Elijah Wood really does the best with what he's got, I've got to give him that. But the script reduces him to such a wuss that by the bit at Mount Doom he's nothing but a bit of baggage for Sam- literally. In the book, Frodo is at least an assertive and determined character, a hero like Bilbo. But in the movie, he is an antihero like Harry Potter- stuff happens to him, he just weathers it. I must admit, though, this degradation of Frodo does build up Sam's character, who was my favorite out of the two anyway.
I thought he did very well. Prior to LOTR, I had seen very little of him, but felt he fit the character well.
It was one of those casting decisions I would not question, unlike Sean Connery being the first choice for Gandalf. So glad he turned it down; he's a great actor, but certainly does not have the gentle charm that the character needs.
I think he did very well! But...
In the books, Legolas was happy, almost always optimistic, and his spirits never wavered when the others were simply despairing. In the film, he seemed to be almost completely emotionless (except on the rare occasion when he smiled or grew angry). However, his fighting is simply to die for in my book.
Legolas' hard exterior might be accounted for by the fact that evil was once again stirring in his homeland. I sincerely hope that if my favorite Elf appears in the Hobbit, they will show a more jovial, perky side to him that was projected in the books.
In the words of Tolkien: "He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgūl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship."
Kudos to Orlando. I think he did well...I simply think there could have been more to the character.
AIt's amazing really, how differently people can see the same film. Of course we all have our own perspectives, but I find Barrel the Pony's comments Particularly perplexing. Viggo didn't grow? Had no story arc??? In the beginning his Aragorn was unsure of himself, irritated by hobbits and a desolate soul. By the end of the films he had gained self confidence, patience and filled with a hope for the future. Quite a change for any person. And I think Viggo was perfectly cast. The same with Elijah as Frodo. I can't imagine anyone else in the part. He didn"t become a wuss. He was burdened by and addicted to the Ring, just like in the books. And finally Legolas, this was Orlando's best role. The Elves are basically the Vulcans of Middle Earth and Legolas as played by Orlando was the only elf to be able to let his hair down (so to speak) joke around and express an impish spirit. Again, just like in the books. Not one character in the films seemed out of place or out of his league. I must respectfully disagree with those who think otherwise.
I mostly agree with you, Gandalf. For some reason, I just don't like Legolas in the film. It might be the script, idk. But the movie Legolas has become known to some as "captain obvious." Like the scriptwriters didn't really know what lines to give him, so they just made him state the obvious every now and then. Like, "They run as if the very whips of their masters were behind them!" (Said as he was running past, when no one else felt like talking. I doubt Aragorn or Gimli even heard him.) or "You mean not to follow them?" Well, Aragron's just kinda standing there, flexing his bleeding arm. I don't think he's intending on catching up to them.
Orlando might have been better if he was older. He was just out of film school, and was really just a kid (like Elijah). You can just see it in his eyes every now and then in the film. He's like "This is so awesome, I'm in LOTR!" Other times he's like, "I feel so cool." Don't get me wrong, it doesn't ruin the movie for me. It's the type of thing that's kind of annoying at times, laughable at other times, and sometimes I don't even notice it.
I think the other character I kinda didn't like was Galadriel. She seemed to act like an evil witch until she "passed the test." Once she passed the test, she seemed perfect. Exactly how I imagined her. "You are a ringbearer, Frodo. To bear a ring of power is to be alone." This line and others after the whole "dark queen" deal seemed to hit the nail on the head. I don't really know what the deal was, but she just seemed weird and un-Tolkienish beforehand. Like she was trying to be a mysterious elf who reads minds. But, again, it doesn't really bother me. I think that if, in a movie that big, if you kind of mess up a little bit on only two characters, you've done remarkably well.
Oh, I loved Galadriel! I thought that Cate Blanchett did a very good job. I suppose it was mostly because of the tone of her voice. She has such an enchanting sound when she speaks. I thought that Gandalf was done wonderfully...
I would have to agree with Gandalf and LadyLegolas. Personally, I don't think they made a single mistake in casting--not one. Every part is beautifully played, in a way that stays true to the book, and every character is exactly the way I had imagined he or she would be.
Thanks for the kudos, but there is another poster on some of the other threads calling himself Gandalf. My username is GANDALFS BEARD, so to avoid any confusion you can use my full name or GB or Beard or whatever. Its not a big deal, but things could get really confusing fast if you don't make the distinction.
Peace and long life
Just to clarify, I did not say I disliked either Aragorn or Frodo in the movie, nor did I say that the movie Aragorn does not go through a significant character arc. However, if you put it all in perspective- Boromir and Faramir far surpassed all expectations I had for their renditions in the movie, with, I thought, characters more developed than they were in the book, despite much less lines. I took more time to get used to how radically different Gollum was from what I imagined, but he is now my favorite character and I don't think he could possibly have been done any better by anyone. Sir Ian McKellen was the empitome of Gandalf- I realized this when I tried to imagine Christopher Lee as Gandalf after finding out it was his life ambition. In short, most of the actors performed their undisbutable best while working on these films, resulting in the three greatest films ever made to this day.
This includes Viggo and Elijah. They give really stirring renditions of believable characters, far better than any of their other work. But, when compared to some of the other actors, and compared also to their literary counterparts, they do seem lesser. Although good, they are overshadowed by others' brilliance, and that's why Aragorn and Frodo are probably my least favorite characters in the film.
Hi Barrel the Pony, I have to say I agree; Boromir and Faramir's characters were more developed in the films. In fact over all (with utmost respect and love of the original books) the films actually improved on many things. The narrative flow was actually better in the films and many of the characters were more developed. And giving Eowyn an expanded role brought a much needed feminine balance to the story. I"d like to believe Tolkien would have approved of most of the changes made as they really enhanced his story. I kind of understand where you are coming from regarding Frodo and Aragorn, but as they seemed to have leapt onto the screen as they appeared in my mind, i still can't quite agree on that score. But if everyone always agreed life would get boring fast.
I can't say that any character was ruined for me, though I would agree that some important characters are overshadowed a bit by the acting of others, though in the end it felt all balanced out good and proper.
I can't imagine anyone else in the roles that were played by the original cast, they are those characters to me. Orlando as well, he has that elvish quality about him.
I respect all of what you have to say but c'mon. seriously. who cannot at least [i:2pv3kxdj]like[/i:2pv3kxdj] orlando bloom? I personally believe that his accent and acting as Legolas is amazing. he is the reason why I want to do archery. He looks like an elf and acts like one in the movies. An the whole thing in Troy just makes me get shivers(in a good way), he does a really good job in a lot of movies. He gets a lot of fantasy roles and does a great job with all of them. I LOVE ORLANDO BLOOM. No one else could play Legolas that well. They chose the right person for the right role.
Personally, I thought Orlando was perfect as Legolas and as the character (Paris?) in Troy. THe only role he was a little weak in was his Pirates of the Caribbean character. In that particular role he did seem overshadowed by Kiera Knightly and Johnny Depp.
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[quote="Gandalfs Beard":11mil5s0]Personally, I thought Orlando was perfect as Legolas and as the character (Paris?) in Troy. THe only role he was a little weak in was his Pirates of the Caribbean character. In that particular role he did seem overshadowed by Kiera Knightly and Johnny Depp.
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I totally agree with you on that, his performance was good, though the prowess of Depp and Knightly overshadowed him, though there are a few times where he bursts out and makes you laugh. =P
Gandalf , Your Beard agrees. Orlando does have talent afterall. It may have been the direction in Pirates, or simply that the role was unsuited for Bloom. He shone the most when he was freed from his "straight man" role and given some comedy bits
P.S. As your beard I must ask you.....Please.....brush me a little more often. I have to compete, you know, with Dumbledore's Beard.
I re-watched TTT last night. Must say, I still believe Orlando did a great job. Who cannot like that archery?
I liked Orlando when I first saw it. But watching the commentary, I didn't like his motivations at times.
Let me explain. When Gandalf fell in Moria, Orlando tried to express in his acting the elves inability to fully comprehend death, seeing as they are immortal. I felt that was terribly wrong. The elves, seeing as they live so long, know full well just what death is and means. Be it using the rings of power to try and stop the inevitable or Noldor slaying the Teleri in Valinor (why oh why does the name of the ports there escape me?). Elves have been given very deep lessons is just what death is.
I think there were others, but that one really stuck out to me. Especially if you've ever seen a movie called Death Becomes Her. A character at the end refuses eternal life. Saying that to live forever would mean seeing everyone and everything around you that you hold dear coming to an end. That would make for a very sad eternal life.
Well Show, I can't say that it affected Orlando's performance poorly as it added to what for an Elf (Vulcans) would be an irrepressable spirit, actually ideal for the particular Elf he was playing. But you are absolutely right as to what an Old Immortal would feel about death. This really comes across in the first Highlander movie and the TV programme with Adrian Paul.
[quote="Show":19xewfng]Be it using the rings of power to try and stop the inevitable or Noldor slaying the Teleri in Valinor (why oh why does the name of the ports there escape me?).[/quote:19xewfng]
It is known (if I know what you're talking about) as the Kinslaying at Swanhaven. I think the elven name for Swanhaven is Aqualonde.
Aqualonde! Thank you. You were spot on, I refered to the acts that lead the Noldor back to MiddleEarth to wage the war of the Jewels.
Just a quick note: Happy Birthday to Orlando today.
Ok, i thought he did a good job. He has that mysteriousness about him I picture the elves having, a kind a divinity, and yess, he was point-out-the-obvious alot, but very elfy. In the book, he was more cheerful and happy, which is the only difference. Personally, i love Orlando, though i don't like most of his acting, but this movie was his best, and I'm glad!
Yeah, this really was Orlando's best role to date. He seems a little out of his depth in the Pirates trilogy, next to Knightly and Depp. Which is odd, because he really has the depth in LotR to match Viggo, McKellan and the rest
As for cheerful and happy, I think he came across that way in the films. All the other Elves are deadly serious Vulcans, and there he is trading barbs and boozing with Gimli
I think Orlando does a good job of a comic relief in POTC. While he's not so much of one in LOTR, he has some sort of a quirky, laughable way of portraying william in Pirates that I find hilarious.
But I must agree with Tinuviel that Mr. Bloom did a tremendous job as Legolas in LOTR.
okay, real quick in case anyone still cares:
I think that at times Bloom's performance is hindered simply by the dialoge he was given... what actor wouldnt sound a little goofy saying things like "there is a red sun, blood has been spilled this night"? Or the "run as if the very whips..." line? Terribly difficult dialoge to say without sounding silly. Just cumbersome imo.
With Viggo, I think that his physicality in the role was amazing. The thing that I feel hurt his performance the most was that so much of the film required ADR. Often times ("You cannot wield it..."
his voice just sounds squeeky and weak. But if you watch what he is doing physically, in the moment when he was in the character, he is amazing.
Also, I think that Gandalf the Grey was the single most well portrayed character in all three films. Gandalf the White, however, I found to be rather boring, staunchy, and there simply as an expositional character. He's a bit more charming in the extended versions of the films, but for me hes a bit too perfect. Always knows what to do, what to say... I much prefer the somewhat in over his head Gandalf the Grey. But hey, what do I know?
Feeding of the last comment I have to mention one of Aragorn's shouts during filming that made it on film. Once he, Legolas and Gilmli come to the conclusion that Merry and Pippen are dead, he kicks a helmet away and lets out this huge shout of emotion.
He really just broke his (foot or toe). Real pain, and he just ran with it for the scene. Jackson was nice enough to leave that shout in. As Viggo was not going to break anything else on purpose just for the sound track.