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Well I partially agree with you too Eldo <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . Particularly in the sense that Tolkien's other drafts and extra-textual writings should be brought to bear in any discussions regarding his intent. However, I do think that for establishing a relatively clear and internally consistent "Canon" The Silmarillion should be considered as largely definitive [b:3ujzh5sv]for the finished product[/b:3ujzh5sv].

But certainly Tolkien's other writings should cause us to examine how accurately the final product reflects his intentions. I'm just saying that we need to distinguish between Intent and the Final Product (which is what I mean by Canon in this case). In some cases the Final Product matches Tolkien's intentions very clearly. In other cases, Christopher felt that perhaps the Final Product [i:3ujzh5sv][b:3ujzh5sv]may have[/b:3ujzh5sv][/i:3ujzh5sv] strayed from his father's intent. But he states that largely to placate Tolkien Zealots I believe <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

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[quote="Gandalfs Beard":3dd2e6aa]However, I do think that for establishing a relatively clear and internally consistent "Canon" The Silmarillion should be considered as largely definitive [b:3dd2e6aa]for the finished product[/b:3dd2e6aa].[/quote:3dd2e6aa]

That depends on if one accepts The Silmarillion as a finished product. Certainly J.R.R.T. never finished it, though he had given his son the right to finish it, which Christopher of course did. I won't dispute Christopher's legal or moral right to have published The Silmarillion as he did (in fact I am quite glad for it!), but I'm still a [i:3dd2e6aa]bit[/i:3dd2e6aa] uncomfortable with it given the changes.

[quote:3dd2e6aa]Christopher felt that perhaps the Final Product [i:3dd2e6aa][b:3dd2e6aa]may have[/b:3dd2e6aa][/i:3dd2e6aa] strayed from his father's intent. But he states that largely to placate Tolkien Zealots I believe <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .[/quote:3dd2e6aa]

C.T. was quite unequivocal in his statements about straying from his father's intent in several instances, including the parentage of Gil-galad and the Ruin of Doriath (and while in the latter instance he made a good case for needing to make changes in order to create a coherent story, he did suggest that he went too far). I won't pretend to know what goes on in C.T.'s mind, but going by his actual words he second-guessed some of his decisions when he went back over the material while editing [i:3dd2e6aa]The History of Middle-earth[/i:3dd2e6aa].
Its a strange scenario- The Silmarillion- the book that cannot be completed. We may see 2 generations of Tolkiens struggle to create a coherent definitive version of that book and both dying without ever completing it to their satisfaction! (Not that I am wishing C.T. ill).
I obviously can't speak for C.T., but I suspect that he recognizes that The Silmarillion is not a finished work in the way that most novels are. In a way this is a good thing: it's a mythology, and mythologies are rarely absolutely coherent or free from internal contradiction. However, after 30 years of work from C.T. we have the polished stories told in [i:3lji2mts]The Silmarillion[/i:3lji2mts] and [i:3lji2mts]The Children of Hurin[/i:3lji2mts], the anthology of [i:3lji2mts]Unfinished Tales[/i:3lji2mts], and the monumental work of scholarship that is [i:3lji2mts]The History of Middle-earth[/i:3lji2mts]. Even without any of that being truly definitive, it's enough for me. I don't want to be greedy. :mrgreen:
If, and ONLY If, Christopher completes an updated version of The Silmarillion before he meets Eru, then IT will be the "definitive" "Finished Product" that Canon will be based on. But until that point we can make do with what we have.

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