Thread: GOLDEN MOMENTS
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theres also a burrabbit.
I should get the book out, but I'm up and about and my Fair Maiden is still asleep. You know, she's not quite so Fair come the morning (her face goes red and her eyes get crossed and her lips utter words I'm not even sure of the meaning of) if I wake her before the alarm goes off - or at [i:1q8zrrvx]"Cockcrow"[/i:1q8zrrvx] that is, which is the same thing in Rushock Bog.
The more Foxes (or badgers) the better, Tin! The more Hobbitish the better in my opinion, [i:1q8zrrvx]Tin[/i:1q8zrrvx]! There is not nearly enough of "The Hobbit" in LotR, thank you very much...
(1) Bill Ferny getting hit by the apple core.
(2) Frodo finding Bilbo in Rivendell.
(3) Liv Tyler appearing at any time (even in the bad bits of scripting)
(4) The meeting with Treebeard
(5) Theoden riding up and down his mounted ranks exhorting his Eorlingas to fight a brave fight! (Possibly my Goldenest Moment of all!)
(See Tin, I can stay on topic if I want to! )
I have a new badger avatar now
Fimbrethil, I love the Badger! And I'm sure there were badgers in Middle-earth. Tolkien just forgot to mention them. And I bet any money they were[i:172wz767] talking [/i:172wz767]badgers, even if it was only amongst themselves...er... and they would have [i:172wz767]talked[/i:172wz767] to the Elves too! Elves talk to just about any flora and fauna, unless the flora and fauna are evil, of course - then the Elves hurl insults (in Sindarin or Quenya - can't remember)! The Elves often sing songs about flora and fauna. And usually in song. One example:
[i:172wz767]"Oh hoary tree, with mistletoes unmanicured!
You can't hop and skip, but fun-can-be-lured,
Rustle your leaves! Creak all those branches,
It's sweet language to birdies - and cattle on ranches!
Oh dill dilly dally! Go climb those trees in deep valleys,
But don't take off your boots, if your feet are too smelly..."[/i:172wz767]
From "Elvish Song for the Fauna-folk" in Tolkien's "Unfound Tales." (From memory only, Tin, I can't remember the rest. Now where did I put my "History of Middle-earth, Volume Seventeen?"
See, Tin! I'm [i:172wz767]Stickler[/i:172wz767] Odo now!
Oh nooooooooo! This isn't the ELVES thread! (My mistake! )
I don't think badgers were in the list of creatures that Treebeard recited but I'm sure they were there.
I wonder if Sauron would have corrupted the badgers of Middle Earth? They are rather agressive by nature. Though I don't really know what use he could have put them to. Maybe as spies in Bree? Saruman would probably try to breed them with orcs...
I think your right Odo, the elves would definately have talked to them
[quote:vcbkygz7]Bill Ferny getting hit by the apple core.[/quote:vcbkygz7]
Did that happen in the movie too? Can't remember but I liked it in the book!
Oh well can we have golden moments from the books too?
Go ahead and make a thread for it.
I did, however, [i:1z1uu8du]really[/i:1z1uu8du] like the Flight to the Ford sequence in FotR. It wasn't really like the one in the book (which I also like), but it was exciting and the Nazgul there were the only villains in the trilogy that actually frightened me.
I guess like weird things
What is up with the blah blah blah.
I can tell thee that the line in which you do not know is "Not bad for a pointy ear elvish princling. I myself am sitting pretty on 43"
Dont quote unless you get it right.
(I hope it's all right to put the above thoughts here. Henry has not seen the movie or read the book yet. They're a bit old for him:- Jane).
EDIT: I mean Lord of the Rings book and movie. Henry only knows The Hobbit book:- Jane.
What is up with the blah blah blah.[/quote:35io8poa]
WTF are you talking about?
But, I suppose I can thank you for adding the correct texts.
And perhaps WTH is more appropriate than WTF, Eldo.
But never mind!
PJ for me underplayed Boromir's essential decent blokeness (although this did come across better in the EE scenes with him and Faramir after the retaking of Osgiliath). And as the scene where Boromir tries to take the ring from Frodo is one of my personal favourites I was disappointed, and not a little annoyed, to find they had shot a much longer version of that scene and have never included it, not even in the EE.
Just noticed this is only your 3rd post Ringdrotten (good name )- welcome onboard, hope you stay and join in the fun and frolicks (mainly Wise Odo does the frolicking, although he has been a bit quiet of late).
petty - I actually found Boromir to be more sympathetic in the film, at least the EEs. He had tension with the others but almost up to the very end he was still decent and he was always doing what he thought was right. I think his scene with Aragorn in Lothlorien helped a lot.
I do cringe at the "evil will be drawn to you" scene; PJ could [i:224ztmlo]really[/i:224ztmlo] have used a co-writer who understood subtlety. That said, I don't think Boromir should be criticized for fitting into a black/white model. He's actually one of the greyer character in the trilogy.
I'll quote the whole scene to illustrate what I mean:
Gandalf: Frodo, come and help an old man.. How's your shoulder?
Frodo: Better than it was
Gandalf: And the ring?
Up until now the scene is ok, but then:
Gandalf: You feel its power growing, don't you? I've felt it too. You must be careful now. Evil will be drawn to you from outside the Fellowship. And, I fear from within.
This, in my opinion, comes way too early in the film. Now for the worst part of the scene:
Frodo: Who then do I trust?
Gandalf: You must trust yourself, trust your own strengths
The way he says this, make it seem like (movie) Gandalf has no faith, whatsoever, in the Fellowship. And that makes no sense. Why would he come if he thought Frodo had to do this alone? Why didn't he just say so in Rivendell, and spared all the members of the Fellowship the hazzle, giving Frodo a map instead of company? I might be making a mountain out of a molehill here, but still, this scene always annoys me
Now, that's a rare movie critisism from me! Usually I only say things in defense of the movies.
Also, what you say about black and white characters I think you're right about some of the characters (Celeborn and Galadriel being two of the characters I like the least in the movies, are good examples). But still, many of the characters develop quite nicely throughout the trilogy. And Boromir, like you said, had a good scene in the EE of The Two Towers. Also, I think Boromir's other sides come across quite nicely through the way he cares for the hobbits, and when he and Aragorn has this little chat by the river about the white city.
By the way, reading your post I realized I've mixed some scenes up. The "little chat by the river" I'm referring to is the Lothlorien scene you are talking about I think. One of the better Boromir scenes
Agreed. We had some foreshadowing as early as the Council of Elrond but the audience didn't need to be beaten over the head with a stick at that point. Plus, wouldn't Boromir have [i:3a5gn34u]heard[/i:3a5gn34u] that conversation if he was so close? Great way to keep the Fellowship moving together!
[quote:3a5gn34u]The way he says this, make it seem like (movie) Gandalf has no faith, whatsoever, in the Fellowship. And that makes no sense. Why would he come if he thought Frodo had to do this alone? Why didn't he just say so in Rivendell, and spared all the members of the Fellowship the hazzle, giving Frodo a map instead of company? I might be making a mountain out of a molehill here, but still, this scene always annoys me
Now, that's a rare movie critisism from me! Usually I only say things in defense of the movies.[/quote:3a5gn34u]
You should get used to the Undying Wrath of the Purists! Mwahahahahaha! *cough*
Seriously though, this forum doesn't have any problems with criticizing aspects of the films, though most of us (myself included) generally like them. Petty and Odo (though I'm not sure how serious Odo is about this or anything else) are the only ones who seem to really hate them.
By the way, reading your post I realized I've mixed some scenes up. The "little chat by the river" I'm referring to is the Lothlorien scene you are talking about I think. One of the better Boromir scenes [/quote:21xms8vq]
You're very welcome. I was pretty sure that we were talking about the same scene.
As to the scenes they give to Boromir I feel the scene with Aragorn you mention is one of the better scenes but they kind of had to do something to make up for all the unsubtle hinting that he was going to turn out to be a problem that they had being doing up till them.
The idea that Gandalf somehow knew or suspected Boromir, as has been pointed out, is silly. Boromir didn't know, it was not until Lothlorien and Galadriel's testing of his heart that desire of the Ring as a thing he had to take was crystallized in his mind.
Out of Boromir's family however he comes out of it the best at the hands of PJ and coven given they completely undermine and destroy Faramir and dumb down Denethor into a mad old man without a clue how to run his own city or marshal his own forces- and a terrible decision to remove the palantir from his story.