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If memory serves the fox is in the chapter "three's company" and passes the hobbits out camping- it doesn't talk out loud but it does'think' in words, pondering what three hobbits might be doing sleeping out rough, but it never gets an answer.
[quote="pettytyrant101":323oh6iy]If memory serves the fox is in the chapter "three's company" and passes the hobbits out camping- it doesn't talk out loud but it does'think' in words, pondering what three hobbits might be doing sleeping out rough, but it never gets an answer.[/quote:323oh6iy]

correct :o
theres also a burrabbit. :P
I remember the fox!!!! Though I would find it more suitable for the Hobbit...
Well, I loved that fox and whether he [i:1q8zrrvx]'talked'[/i:1q8zrrvx] words or [i:1q8zrrvx]'thought'[/i:1q8zrrvx] words makes no difference to me! I think he makes commntary about hobbits being out and about in the [i:1q8zrrvx]'wilder'[/i:1q8zrrvx] parts so to the speak (yes, I know we're talking about the Shire - say [i:1q8zrrvx]'out camping' [/i:1q8zrrvx]if you want to!)

I should get the book out, but I'm up and about and my Fair Maiden is still asleep. You know, she's not quite so Fair come the morning (her face goes red and her eyes get crossed and her lips utter words I'm not even sure of the meaning of) if I wake her before the alarm goes off - or at [i:1q8zrrvx]"Cockcrow"[/i:1q8zrrvx] that is, which is the same thing in Rushock Bog.

The more Foxes (or badgers) the better, Tin! The more Hobbitish the better in my opinion, [i:1q8zrrvx]Tin[/i:1q8zrrvx]! :x There is not nearly enough of "The Hobbit" in LotR, thank you very much...

(1) Bill Ferny getting hit by the apple core.
(2) Frodo finding Bilbo in Rivendell.
(3) Liv Tyler appearing at any time (even in the bad bits of scripting)
(4) The meeting with Treebeard
(5) Theoden riding up and down his mounted ranks exhorting his Eorlingas to fight a brave fight! (Possibly my Goldenest Moment of all!)

(See Tin, I can stay on topic if I want to! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> )
I totally don't remember the fox...I'll have to go back. I wonder if there were badgers in middle earth?

I have a new badger avatar now <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
I'm glad Odo :roll: :lol:
I'm a good Odo now, thanks to you Tin! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Fimbrethil, I love the Badger! And I'm sure there were badgers in Middle-earth. Tolkien just forgot to mention them. And I bet any money they were[i:172wz767] talking [/i:172wz767]badgers, even if it was only amongst themselves...er... and they would have [i:172wz767]talked[/i:172wz767] to the Elves too! Elves talk to just about any flora and fauna, unless the flora and fauna are evil, of course - then the Elves hurl insults (in Sindarin or Quenya - can't remember)! The Elves often sing songs about flora and fauna. And usually in song. One example:

[i:172wz767]"Oh hoary tree, with mistletoes unmanicured!
You can't hop and skip, but fun-can-be-lured,
Rustle your leaves! Creak all those branches,
It's sweet language to birdies - and cattle on ranches!
Oh dill dilly dally! Go climb those trees in deep valleys,
But don't take off your boots, if your feet are too smelly..."[/i:172wz767]

From "Elvish Song for the Fauna-folk" in Tolkien's "Unfound Tales." (From memory only, Tin, I can't remember the rest. Now where did I put my "History of Middle-earth, Volume Seventeen?"Wink Smilie

See, Tin! I'm [i:172wz767]Stickler[/i:172wz767] Odo now! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Oh nooooooooo! This isn't the ELVES thread! (My mistake! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> )
I'm liking the new badger avatar. Of course, it helps that I can actually see it. 8-)
Thanks guys!

I don't think badgers were in the list of creatures that Treebeard recited but I'm sure they were there.
I wonder if Sauron would have corrupted the badgers of Middle Earth? They are rather agressive by nature. Though I don't really know what use he could have put them to. Maybe as spies in Bree? Saruman would probably try to breed them with orcs...

I think your right Odo, the elves would definately have talked to them <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

[quote:vcbkygz7]Bill Ferny getting hit by the apple core.[/quote:vcbkygz7]
Did that happen in the movie too? Can't remember but I liked it in the book!
No, Bill Ferny wasn't in the film. I typed it in, then realized it was only in the book; and then I thought I'd leave it, because it [i:s7tvh4uf]should[/i:s7tvh4uf] have been in the film. I also wondered who'd be first to pick it up. :lol: (Just about the whole Bree sequence was shite as far as I'm concerned).
i really wish that scene was in the movie too <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> I thought Bill Ferny was an important character

Oh well can we have golden moments from the books too?
[quote="Fimbrethil":2p7f1kky]Oh well can we have golden moments from the books too?[/quote:2p7f1kky]

Go ahead and make a thread for it. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
Done!
Another golden moment form the film was Galadriel's tempatation of the ring..I had nightmares for weeks after.
I'm not sure I'd call that Golden ... the radioactive glow thing was really weird...

I did, however, [i:1z1uu8du]really[/i:1z1uu8du] like the Flight to the Ford sequence in FotR. It wasn't really like the one in the book (which I also like), but it was exciting and the Nazgul there were the only villains in the trilogy that actually frightened me.
[quote:27i0dfgr]I'm not sure I'd call that Golden ... the radioactive glow thing was really weird...
[/quote:27i0dfgr]

I guess like weird things <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Yo.

What is up with the blah blah blah.

I can tell thee that the line in which you do not know is "Not bad for a pointy ear elvish princling. I myself am sitting pretty on 43"

Dont quote unless you get it right.
[quote="Fimbrethil":p8gw4njc]BTW is my animated badger avatar bothering anyone?[/quote:p8gw4njc]

em yes.
I like the Party. I like the dishes song. I like the trolls. I don't like the goblins because they're bad. I like the spiders. I think they were just hungry. I like lots of other things. Smaug was scary. I hoped Bilbo would be all right when his feet got burnt.


(I hope it's all right to put the above thoughts here. Henry has not seen the movie or read the book yet. They're a bit old for him:- Jane).

EDIT: I mean Lord of the Rings book and movie. Henry only knows The Hobbit book:- Jane.
[quote="anklegones":35io8poa]Yo.

What is up with the blah blah blah.[/quote:35io8poa]

Yo.

WTF are you talking about?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
In the scene that tinuviel chose as their golden moment on the first page they have put in one of gimli's lines blah blah blah!!!! instead of the full quote and I have provided the missing lines.



goodness.
OH bugger! That's simply WHY i wrote BLAH BLAH BLAH! so as not to get the quote WRONG!
But, I suppose I can thank you for adding the correct texts.
And perhaps WTH is more appropriate than WTF, Eldo. :ugeek:
I find when dealing with the subject of PJ and the Coven that WTF serves very well! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
I didn't realize WTF was considered improper. :lol: It's sort of a curse-word stand-in, like #@$!, though of course it's also an acronym.
I was referring to the acronym.
But never mind!
The golden moments in these films are so many, could write a book about them all (though, I guess that's been done already in a way :P) My favourite ones though, must be almost all the scenes with Boromir. What a fantastic actor Sean Bean is, (in The Lord of the Rings at any rate, haven't seen any of his other movies) he really hit Boromir spot on. In my opinion, that is <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Agree entirely about Sean Bean, I thought he played Boromir excellently. My only quibble is that PJ seems to prefer black and white characters to subtle shades. Like most of the characters in the film he has been dumbed down for the masses- an insult to the masses. I particularly dislike the scene approaching Moria where Gandalf tells Frodo "Evil will be drawn to the Ring from outside, and inside the company." And stares at Boromir as he walks by on the word 'inside'.
PJ for me underplayed Boromir's essential decent blokeness (although this did come across better in the EE scenes with him and Faramir after the retaking of Osgiliath). And as the scene where Boromir tries to take the ring from Frodo is one of my personal favourites I was disappointed, and not a little annoyed, to find they had shot a much longer version of that scene and have never included it, not even in the EE.

Just noticed this is only your 3rd post Ringdrotten (good name :lol: )- welcome onboard, hope you stay and join in the fun and frolicks (mainly Wise Odo does the frolicking, although he has been a bit quiet of late).
Ringdrotten - welcome to the forum! Don't mind petty - or me :P - that much when we disagree with people, including each other. I hope you enjoy your time here. :mrgreen:

petty - I actually found Boromir to be more sympathetic in the film, at least the EEs. He had tension with the others but almost up to the very end he was still decent and he was always doing what he thought was right. I think his scene with Aragorn in Lothlorien helped a lot.

I do cringe at the "evil will be drawn to you" scene; PJ could [i:224ztmlo]really[/i:224ztmlo] have used a co-writer who understood subtlety. That said, I don't think Boromir should be criticized for fitting into a black/white model. He's actually one of the greyer character in the trilogy.
Hehe, thanks for the welcome <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> And what you're saying about that scene outside Moria, couldn't agree more. Probably the scene I like the least in the first film. Frankly, it doesn't make sense.

I'll quote the whole scene to illustrate what I mean:

Gandalf: Frodo, come and help an old man.. How's your shoulder?
Frodo: Better than it was
Gandalf: And the ring?

Up until now the scene is ok, but then:

Gandalf: You feel its power growing, don't you? I've felt it too. You must be careful now. Evil will be drawn to you from outside the Fellowship. And, I fear from within.

This, in my opinion, comes way too early in the film. Now for the worst part of the scene:

Frodo: Who then do I trust?
Gandalf: You must trust yourself, trust your own strengths

The way he says this, make it seem like (movie) Gandalf has no faith, whatsoever, in the Fellowship. And that makes no sense. Why would he come if he thought Frodo had to do this alone? Why didn't he just say so in Rivendell, and spared all the members of the Fellowship the hazzle, giving Frodo a map instead of company? I might be making a mountain out of a molehill here, but still, this scene always annoys me :P

Now, that's a rare movie critisism from me! Usually I only say things in defense of the movies.

Also, what you say about black and white characters I think you're right about some of the characters (Celeborn and Galadriel being two of the characters I like the least in the movies, are good examples). But still, many of the characters develop quite nicely throughout the trilogy. And Boromir, like you said, had a good scene in the EE of The Two Towers. Also, I think Boromir's other sides come across quite nicely through the way he cares for the hobbits, and when he and Aragorn has this little chat by the river about the white city.
Thanks to you also, Eldorion <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

By the way, reading your post I realized I've mixed some scenes up. The "little chat by the river" I'm referring to is the Lothlorien scene you are talking about I think. One of the better Boromir scenes <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Ringdrotten":3a5gn34u]This, in my opinion, comes way too early in the film.[/quote:3a5gn34u]

Agreed. We had some foreshadowing as early as the Council of Elrond but the audience didn't need to be beaten over the head with a stick at that point. Plus, wouldn't Boromir have [i:3a5gn34u]heard[/i:3a5gn34u] that conversation if he was so close? Great way to keep the Fellowship moving together! :roll:

[quote:3a5gn34u]The way he says this, make it seem like (movie) Gandalf has no faith, whatsoever, in the Fellowship. And that makes no sense. Why would he come if he thought Frodo had to do this alone? Why didn't he just say so in Rivendell, and spared all the members of the Fellowship the hazzle, giving Frodo a map instead of company? I might be making a mountain out of a molehill here, but still, this scene always annoys me :P

Now, that's a rare movie critisism from me! Usually I only say things in defense of the movies.[/quote:3a5gn34u]

You should get used to the Undying Wrath of the Purists! Mwahahahahaha! *cough*

Seriously though, this forum doesn't have any problems with criticizing aspects of the films, though most of us (myself included) generally like them. Petty and Odo (though I'm not sure how serious Odo is about this or anything else) are the only ones who seem to really hate them. :lol:
[quote="Ringdrotten":21xms8vq]Thanks to you also, Eldorion <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

By the way, reading your post I realized I've mixed some scenes up. The "little chat by the river" I'm referring to is the Lothlorien scene you are talking about I think. One of the better Boromir scenes <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />[/quote:21xms8vq]

You're very welcome. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> I was pretty sure that we were talking about the same scene. :geek:
Hate is such a strong word Eldo, if I hated them I would neither have watched them more than once nor reedited to suit my own tastes. I would say they sadden me, they fill me with regret that the opportunity was there and largely missed and that sometimes makes me rage, a bit, well a lot.

As to the scenes they give to Boromir I feel the scene with Aragorn you mention is one of the better scenes but they kind of had to do something to make up for all the unsubtle hinting that he was going to turn out to be a problem that they had being doing up till them.

The idea that Gandalf somehow knew or suspected Boromir, as has been pointed out, is silly. Boromir didn't know, it was not until Lothlorien and Galadriel's testing of his heart that desire of the Ring as a thing he had to take was crystallized in his mind.

Out of Boromir's family however he comes out of it the best at the hands of PJ and coven given they completely undermine and destroy Faramir and dumb down Denethor into a mad old man without a clue how to run his own city or marshal his own forces- and a terrible decision to remove the palantir from his story.
I always felt in the movies that they made Boromir just a problem in the fellowship, they never really showed any other side to him other than, well, the one we saw! I might be wrong, but I always thought of Boromir as being strong, proud, occasionally arrogant, but honorable none the less. In the movies, he came off as whiny, annoyingly persistant, and kind of villainess. The scenes in the EE helped with his character though, but i feel like the considerate Boromir didn't balance with the the annoying one too well, but I really like Boromir, and Sean Bean :mrgreen:
I agree Tin, especially in the theatrical release where they would have been as well to put him in a top hat and have him standing behind Frodo twirling his mustache and maniacally laughing for all the subtly they use.
Was the Aragorn/Boromir conversation in Lothlorien and EE feature only? I only watched FOTR-TE once so I barely remember it. The EEs are just better in almost every way.
Actually I'm not sure Eldo. I watch my edited versions and been a long time (mercifully) since I had to sit through the theatrical cut. I would imagine it is there, otherwise there would just be the meeting Galadriel and the mirror scene. The Lothlorien section is hurried enough can't imagine it without the Boromir, Aragorn chatting scene.
I'm pretty sure that scene is in the TE. With FOTR, I seem to be able to distinguish between the two editions better than the other movies. Maybe because I was so traumatized when i saw it in the movie theater!!!! :lol:
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