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Thread: Jackson's appearances and small parts in the films.
Hi guys I was wondering, how many times does Jackson appear in the films? I remember seeing him in the Fellowship, well I think it was him at least, when the Hobbits first enter Bree after escaping the wraiths, there's a guy eating a carrot with the rain pouring down his face, who kinda grunts as they pass him. Is this Jackson? it looks a bit like him. I also remember seeing a very obvious Jackson in the Rotk when Gimli nudges Legolas' bow and causes him to shoot an unawares corsair of Umbar, which is of course played by Jackson too. I can't remember any other on screen film encounters with the director. Please get back and remind me of any I've missed.
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Yes, the carrot fellow in Bree was Jackson. Aside from the instances you mention, Jackson's only other cameo was a spear-throwing defender of the Hornburg. Here are some [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Pjcameo.jpg:2u36r41e]screenshots of his cameos[/url:2u36r41e].
Sigh not many then Eldo, I can see this Thread's pretty much concluded already then. 
Thanks anyway Eldo.
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He just had one appearance per film, yes. Although the ROTK cameo was extended to two parts in the EE - in the original he was glimpsed for only a second or two while yelling orders, in the EE he was shot by Legolas.
Ha Ha . Those are great. I can't believe I never noticed those before.
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I missed a number of smaller cameos. Alan Lee (and, I believe, John Howe) is a Rohirrim in the armory at Helm's Deep preparing for battle. A lot of less recognizable people have cameos as well, including one of Tolkien's grandsons or great-grandsons.
Also, I forgot about this earlier, but PJ and Fran Walsh (who is either his wife or his partner depending on which Internet source you check) are featured as portraits on the wall at Bag End. They are clearly visible above the mantelpiece that Bilbo supposedly left the Ring on at the beginning of FOTR. Jackson's arm also appears as a stand-in for Sean Astin's in the very first shot of Sam interrupting Shelob.
Also, I forgot about this earlier, but PJ and Fran Walsh (who is either his wife or his partner depending on which Internet source you check) are featured as portraits on the wall at Bag End. They are clearly visible above the mantelpiece that Bilbo supposedly left the Ring on at the beginning of FOTR. Jackson's arm also appears as a stand-in for Sean Astin's in the very first shot of Sam interrupting Shelob.
Im not a fan of directors making cameos in their own films, seems self indulgent. And worse was him putting his kids in. They turn up as hobbit children, children at Helms Deep and in the street in Gondor- wouldn't be so bad except they are prominent in all three and therefore gives the impression there's one very fertile guy wandering ME and breeding in very culture!
He cameos in all of his other movies, too. Except district 9. I was looking for him but i couldn't find him. I spotted him IMMEDIATELY in the Lovely Bones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvgwXAky1t8
That's a link to see all of his cameos, except for lovely bones. In lovely bones he's just looking at a camera.
That's a link to see all of his cameos, except for lovely bones. In lovely bones he's just looking at a camera.
I can understand a Director wanting to visually appear in a film he/she has spent a lot of time working on, but when they put their kids in I agree with you, petty. It's self-indulgent, serves no purpose, and it's not like the kids were working on the movie (though if they had I wouldn't mind them showing up).
P.S. Tin, District 9 isn't really *his* movie, it's Neill Blomkamp's.
P.S. Tin, District 9 isn't really *his* movie, it's Neill Blomkamp's.
Oh come on!!! Don't be so persnickity 
. If I were a director I'd let all my friends and family have cameos or parts as extras (and that includes you guys). I don't see anything wrong with that. I have no idea what Jackson's kids look like, and neither do most people, so how on Earth does it make a difference?
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. If I were a director I'd let all my friends and family have cameos or parts as extras (and that includes you guys). I don't see anything wrong with that. I have no idea what Jackson's kids look like, and neither do most people, so how on Earth does it make a difference?[b:2u57ufwv]GB[/b:2u57ufwv]
It's no fun if you make a movie and you aren't in it. I don't really know y, but it just isn't! That's y Ben Stiller, Clint Eastwood, and Mel Gibson all do it.
Exactly! Stephen King does it a lot, so does Stan Lee. and Sam Raimi always puts Ted and Bruce and Lucy somewhere in his flicks. I love it 
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I agree the temptation to put yourself and all your mates in your own film would be huge but the first question to be asked by a director is does it help the film not how many of my mates can I get in it? As to his kids I do know what they look like cause he gives them prominence in all 3 films as different children (and races) in different locations- and his children, whilst perfectly lovely are quite distinctive- maybe if he'd only used them as background that'd be fine but he makes sure he gets them full on screen every time, even close ups. That does seem pretty self indulgent to me. And as a result when I watch the films I can't help but notice that two of the hobbit children listening to Bilbo at the Party and two of the Rohirrim children in the caves at Helms deep, and two of the children throwing flowers in the streets of Minas Tirith look exactly the same in different clothes- it reminds me I'm watching a film and I lose the very thing film is supposed to do- transport me to another world. Every time they appear I'm jarred out of that and thinking "oh there's PJ's bloody kids again."
And there I was just thinking how adorable those kids were .
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I noticed the kids, but did not know they were PJ's. The nerve! (I can't help but admire his cheek, though. Your kids are your kids, after all, and to hell with everything else! )
)Mr. Tyrant, arguably, they are only cameos, so they don't have much to do with the film at all, they're just making guest appearances. And when were PJ's kids in a movie?
Hi Tinuviel, I should first be gentlemanly and say hello as we haven't crossed paths before on here.
They appear in Fellowship at Bilbo's party amongst the small group of hobbit children listening to Bilbo telling the story of the trolls from TH.
They are featured (more than once if memory serves) being frightened in the Glittering Caves as the Orcs march on Helms Deep.
And they also appear in the streets of Minas Tirith as Faramir rides out to Osgiliath.
And whilst you are quite right they are but cameos unfortunately I have the sort of mind that notices details whilst watching films and their continued reappearence in different guises was mood breaking for me- it reminded I was watching a film made by someone whose kids were in it when I should have been being moved by the plight of the civilian at Helms Deep or by Faramirs noble speech as he departed- it took me out of the film in other words and that's always a bad thing.
They appear in Fellowship at Bilbo's party amongst the small group of hobbit children listening to Bilbo telling the story of the trolls from TH.
They are featured (more than once if memory serves) being frightened in the Glittering Caves as the Orcs march on Helms Deep.
And they also appear in the streets of Minas Tirith as Faramir rides out to Osgiliath.
And whilst you are quite right they are but cameos unfortunately I have the sort of mind that notices details whilst watching films and their continued reappearence in different guises was mood breaking for me- it reminded I was watching a film made by someone whose kids were in it when I should have been being moved by the plight of the civilian at Helms Deep or by Faramirs noble speech as he departed- it took me out of the film in other words and that's always a bad thing.
Nice to meet you too Mr. Tyrant
And I was wondering who those children were! I saw them everywhere! Now I know, haha!
And I was wondering who those children were! I saw them everywhere! Now I know, haha!
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I didn't realize this was PJ, till a friend told me. I quite like his cameos, but his best is the bus driver in The Long and Short of It. I don't know why, but I found it hilarious.
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":15t61v6j]Oh come on!!! Don't be so persnickity . If I were a director I'd let all my friends and family have cameos or parts as extras (and that includes you guys). I don't see anything wrong with that. I have no idea what Jackson's kids look like, and neither do most people, so how on Earth does it make a difference?
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I'd be in the mumakil seat, shooting at Legolas as he slid down the trunk.
. If I were a director I'd let all my friends and family have cameos or parts as extras (and that includes you guys). I don't see anything wrong with that. I have no idea what Jackson's kids look like, and neither do most people, so how on Earth does it make a difference?
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I'd be in the mumakil seat, shooting at Legolas as he slid down the trunk.
In reply to "Pettytyrant101" The most famous Director to do appearances is Alfred Hitchcock, and he was one of the great Directors of the past and that's why a lot them including Peter Jackson do it, because he did it, first. Marvel Comics Publisher/Creator Stan Lee does appearances as well, all because of the original A.H.
Typical PJ copying the greats without ever achieving their heights!
And welcome aboard Corneliusduke. 
Good to see a new avatar about the place I hope you stay- its a friendly place (well apart from me obviously). I look forward to reading your future posts.
Good to see a new avatar about the place I hope you stay- its a friendly place (well apart from me obviously). I look forward to reading your future posts.
Welcome corneliusduke. I can vouch for this place, there are many fun folk here --- and not a few eccentrics. But that's good. As to Peter being in his movies, I don't see any harm in it. I say why not? And Petty, you may say Peter is not a good director all you like, but there are many who would strongly disagree. I like his appearances:-Jane
I don't believe I ever said PJ was a poor director, although its true I do not consider him one of the greats such as Hitchcock. I disagree with PJ's choices of subject matter, his colution in rewritting characters and stories and his inability to know when to much is to much, but thats not the same as saying he cannot direct. I have even on occasion praised some of his direction, Boromirs death scene being one, and it was his innovation and originality with a camera in his early gorefest films that made me once upon a time a PJ fan. 
But his crimes to Tolkien have soured such times and he cannot and should not be forgiven- although TH is his chance to redeem himself and already he is making me weep.
But his crimes to Tolkien have soured such times and he cannot and should not be forgiven- although TH is his chance to redeem himself and already he is making me weep.Welcome, Cornelius! Never mind Petty, he's just a contrarian. 
[quote="pettytyrant101":fgwhnhyw]I don't believe I ever said PJ was a poor director[/quote:fgwhnhyw]
I don't know if you ever said that specifically, but you have implied it a great many times, intentionally or not. 
[quote="pettytyrant101":fgwhnhyw]I don't believe I ever said PJ was a poor director[/quote:fgwhnhyw]
I don't know if you ever said that specifically, but you have implied it a great many times, intentionally or not. I never implied that although its possible you may have infered it Eldo (erroneously)!
I have been consistent in my reasons for thinking the LotR films are poor adaptations and in large parts poor films, and it is rarely to do with the direction-of which my main critiscm is he cuts to frequently and hectically in battle scenes, but thats more personal taste than technical fault (ooh and the warg scene, which is a dogs (wargs) breakfast).
I have even praised PJ (rightly so) for the sheer feat of getting the project going and for his organizing and commitment- but doesn't change my opinion he made a mess of the films- the fact he is not incompetent only makes its worse. They should have been so much better if only PJ had shown more trust in Tolkien's writing and less in his wifes.
I never implied that although its possible you may have infered it Eldo (erroneously)! I have been consistent in my reasons for thinking the LotR films are poor adaptations and in large parts poor films, and it is rarely to do with the direction-of which my main critiscm is he cuts to frequently and hectically in battle scenes, but thats more personal taste than technical fault (ooh and the warg scene, which is a dogs (wargs) breakfast). I have even praised PJ (rightly so) for the sheer feat of getting the project going and for his organizing and commitment- but doesn't change my opinion he made a mess of the films- the fact he is not incompetent only makes its worse. They should have been so much better if only PJ had shown more trust in Tolkien's writing and less in his wifes.
Pety Tyrant, I had to read this a few times to realize that your comments are utterly infuriating . I am a great lover of first the books, second the films. I cannot believe that you would think such critically acclaimed films are so bad. If your argument made sense I may be able to agree with some of your points as there is no such thing as a perfect film. These films were shot over ten years ago, in technology terms that's eons and I feel that they still stack up. Its rare to find a fantasy film that is believable and which has good acting, good script and in the the case of the LOTRs films stays true to the original story in theme and focus.
Can we just get over the slight, yes slight differences in the films and just enjoy them as well as the books!
Ok Im over my rant now. I think Ill go read a chapter of the Sil....... 
Please be careful about saying that a person's comments are rubbish. That you disagree is absolutely your right, and makes for exciting dialogue. But those are your feelings. And on this site we are inclined to be very careful of one another's feelings. We try to be friendly and tolerant. Not getting after you, just reminding you to say " I think or I feel" and not you are. That way there are not hard feelings, don't you think?
In my opinion, flawed though it is, I am inclined to think that Mr. Jackson had not read the body of work much before he took on this gargantuan task and I don't believe he had deep enough not wide enough understanding. You could read the books three times over and still only be at the beginning of what our beloved professor was conveying. If I am wrong about his not having read the books much before or only a sort of quick skimming over, I apologize.But it seems that way to me.
True Lee Lee. And yes I am slightly sorry... However I am not harping on about the comments re the faithfulness of the books its more the quality of the filming, editing etc...
I have re worded my post slightly.......
Brego wrote: Its rare to find a fantasy film that is believable and which has good acting, good script and in the the case of the LOTRs films stays true to the original story in theme and focus.
I don't think these films are great simply as films (even ten years ago), but in any case, whether or not the films stayed true enough to the original source is also highly debatable and opinion based.
Can we just get over the slight, yes slight differences in the films and just enjoy them as well as the books!
While you think there are only slight differences, and obviously it's your right to hold that opinion... as others think differently, isn't this asking them to get over something they do not necessarily agree with in the first place?
Film chat is very opinion based of course! 
Very opinionated in deed and I get worked up about it as I love the books separately to the films and can disassociate the two. Regardless of the fact that other learned Tolkienofiles get hot under the collar regarding the changes made I don't think you can fault the technical quality of the films.
Brego, you are endearing. Slightly sorry. 
No, I don't think you can fault Peter on the technical side. He is rather wonderful.
... I don't think you can fault the technical quality of the films.
But one can criticize the films in this regard of course; you do not have to agree obviously, but it would nonetheless be your opinion that something about these films in the arena of 'technical quality' could not be faulted, even within the context of ten years ago.
