Thread: Golden LotR Moments overlooked for the movies
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1. Gaffer Gamgee holding court in the Green Dragon "Elves and Dragons! I says to him. Cabbages and potatoes are better for me and you."
2, Bilbo leaving after his party in the company of dwarves one last time.
3. Gandalf's line to Frodo upon being left standing at the door, "If you don't let me in, Frodo, I shall blow your door right down your hole and out through the hill."
4. The elves of Gildor and the night in Woodhall.
5. Farmer Maggot and his dogs and the approach to the ferry in the mist.
6. The entire Buckland (bath song included) bit, Old Forest, Tom Bomabadil stuff. And a special mention to Frodo losing his companions in the fog of the Barrowdowns. (Still creepy every time I read it).
7. Most of Strider's dialogue at Bree and his annoyance with Butterbur, "Then who would you take up with? A fat innkeeper who only remembers his name because people shout it at him all day?"
8. Fatty Bolger raising the alarm call of Buckland after the Black Riders attack Crickhollow. "No, not me! I haven't got it!"
9. Barliman Butterbur and his constant streams of breathless (often unintentionally humorous) dialogue. "there was some folk killed, killed dead!" (he's in the film but as a different character with almost no lines of consequence).
10. Bill Ferny, Bill the pony and the apple throwing. Plus most of the inhabitants of Bree coming out to watch the hobbits leave with Strider.
11. Sam bursting into poetry singing the Fall of Gil-Galad.
12. Strider telling the tale of Tinuviel and Beren in the darkened dell beneath Weathertop before the attack.
13. Sam (again) bursting into song about Tom and the Troll.
14. Glorfindel and in especial the line "It is you, Frodo, and that which you bear that brings us all in peril."
And that's just book 1 of Fellowship! What film did they actually make? Because looking at this list most of it seems to have stayed in the books! And this is just from memory so I'm sure I've missed a lot of golden moment stuff along the way.
Anyhow more golden moments-book 2 this time.
1.Gloin at the Council of Elrond and his account of the messenger coming to Dale.
2. Frodo meeting Bilbo in the Hall of Fire.
3. Saruman revealing his robe of many colours and the proper dialogue between Gandalf and Saruman; "He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."
4. The debate among the Company as to which route to take after the failed attempt on the Redhorn. "It is not of the Ring, nor of us others that I am thinking now, but of you, Gandalf. And I say to you; if you pass the doors of Moria, beware!"
5. The wolf attack before Moria. "That was an eye-opener, and no mistake! Nearly singed the hair off my head!"
6. The proper version of the well in Moria with its disturbing 'tap-tom,tom-tap' drifting up out of the dark.
7. Gimli singing about Durin.
8. Gandalf's encounter with the Beater of Drums. "I had to speak a word of Command. That proved too great a strain. The door burst in pieces. Something dark as a cloud was blocking out all the light inside, and I was thrown backwards down the stairs. All the wall gave way, and the roof of the chamber as well, I think." (Much better than a big troll fight).
9. The mirror-mere.
10. Frodo's encounter wih Gollum in the tress on the border of Lothlorien.
11.Frodo's vision of a young Aragorn, clothed in white, saying farewell to Arwen after they had plighted their troth. "Arwen vanimelda namarie! Here is the heart of Elvendom on earth and here my heart dwells ever." (Surely if you're going to include Arwen in the films here was a natural place for a part of it?)
12. Sam's words upon looking in the mirror of Galadriel. "They've dug up Bagshot Row, and there's the poor old gaffer going down the Hill with his bits of things on a barrow. I must go home."
13. Aragorn receiving the elfstone and the name foretold for him, Elessar.
14. The first appearance of the winged nazgul and Legolas shooting it down.
15. The conversation (reduced and rewritten badly for the film) where Boromir tries to persuade Frodo to 'lend' him the Ring.
16. The reincarnated Gandalf striving with Sauron to stop Frodo being revealed on Amon Hen. "Take it off! Fool, take it off!"
Right that's most of my favourite bits from FoTR and almost none of them are in the film of FoTR or in very reduced form. And FoTR is the film closest to the books!
What about the pat-pat-pat of footsteps Frodo thought to hear...? What about jumping huge gaps in the semi-dark of those deep tunnels...?
What about poor Gimli at poor Balin's tomb - the canonical version? Golden Saddest Moment of my reading experience. I adored Balin! If they LotRize Balin in the Hobbit Movies, the LotR movie scene will still not resonate or stir emotion. Do him properly - the LotR movie version will have some impact. But try to forget the troll shortly after though...
And what about Gandalf's reading of the remnant diary in the book version? Rivetting! What a build up! Doom-doom-doom!
Oh, I can't...go...on... There's so much more, so much much more, and just in the Fellowship!
Curse you, Mr Tyrant for bringing it all back - but don't stop! You can't stop now! People....need...to...know....the...truth... Can the likes of people such as Gandalfs Beard even [i:3kiueod3]handle[/i:3kiueod3] the Truth...!? - (Wonder where he is btw... Forum never seems quite the same when he's missing...)
And indeed the truth must be known!
I too miss GB I do so hope everything is well with him and his and it's just busyness keeping him away. It is a lesser forum without a Beard about the place. (besides we need him to keep the place tidy of spam and give the place a good sweep and where else will we get new bristles for a good broom without a Beard to pluck?)
1. Aragorn not mucking about when confronting Eomer and giving one of his roll calls that never feature in the films 'reluctant' Aragorn. "Elendil! I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dunadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!"
2. Gimli and Eomer's 'argument' over the beauty of Galadriel. "So many strange things have chanced that to learn the praise of a fair lady under the loving strokes of a Dwarf's axe will seem no great wonder."
3. Treebeards introduction on the hill in Fangorn. "Almost felt you liked the Forest! That's good! That's uncommonly kind of you."
4. Treebeards 'Lore of Living Creatures' song.
5. Treebeards song of the Entwives. (If you can get a copy of the version from the BBc radio plays of this its superb- and if you find a copy let me know been trying to find it again for years).
6. Quickbeam and in particular his explanation of his name; "They have called me that ever since i said 'yes' to an elder Ent before he had finished his question." Also the Ent Moot (as it is in book not film obviously).
7. The ents war song. "To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come,we come."
8. The excellent Hama, doorward of Theoden. "In doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom."
9. The dialogue between Aragorn, Eomer and Gamling on the Deeping Wall on the long night of the Battle of Helms Deep; "This is a night as long as years. How long will the day tarry?"
"Dawn is not far off. But dawn will not help us I fear"......
"Nonetheless day will bring hope to me. Is it not said that no foe has ever taken the Hornburg, if men defend it?"
"So the minstrels say."
10. Aragorn confronting the Uruk Hai in parley and warning them of their coming destruction even though it looks hopeless.
11. Erkenbrand and his coming to the rescue with Gandalf and Huorns.
12. Legolas galloping off to see the eyes in the tress with a very reluctant Gimi in tow. "I wish to see no eyes!"
13. The damned and dried up Isen suddenly beginning to flow again in the dark of the night.
14. Gandalf's response to Pippin's shock and wonder at Gandalf being still alive. "Get up, you tom-fool of a Took!"
15. Most of the Voice of Saruman chapter, some great dialogue left out of the film (again).
That would have been nice, but the first golden moment that comes to mind for me is the ending of "The Palantir". Think of how cool the Nazgul flying overhead in the darkness and Gandalf galloping away with a cry of 'Run now! Hope is in speed!' would be, and the suspense it would build up for the third film. Relatedly, [i:27ff3jvg]opening[/i:27ff3jvg] RotK with Gandalf and Pippin galloping through Rohan and Anorien, with the second title card coming up as they reach the mist-shrouded wall around the Pelennor...
Also, I would have liked the shot where Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas come out of the Emyn Muil and into Rohan to have looked more like in the book; that passage is probably my favourite physical description in the book.
If I think of anything else I'll post it later.
That particular scene was very touching for me. Gimli stayed by Balin tomb even though they were being attacked and Legolas had to drag him away right? Poor Balin..I kind of wish Tolkien didn't kill him off I think he was my favorite dwarf from the hobbit.
[quote:3e49wcw7]3. Saruman revealing his robe of many colours and the proper dialogue between Gandalf and Saruman; "He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."[/quote:3e49wcw7]
Haha I liked when Gandalf says I liked white better.
Another one from book 3
-The whole chapter of the steward and the king. The romance between Faramir and Eowyn is epic (I guess its in the extened version for like 2 seconds)
One point I'd like to raise especially, Fimbrethil. You telescoped your knowledge from The Hobbit onto the movie scene of Balin's Tomb. It helped add to the poignancy, I'm sure. If you had not read The Hobbit, the tomb scene would have lacked impact, I would have thought (still did for me, actually, knowing the book version). Imagine if the scene was done properly! The Hobbit movie version of 'Balin' needs to be done properly, adapted faithfully. If so, it might make the LotR movie version a little more sad, at least. (Close eyes straight after for Troll battle! Block ears!)
Oh yes, Balin was my favorite dwarf by a street. He deserved (and deserves) better!
lol Tin. I spent the entire three films thinking either just that or "Why have I just watched half an hour of made up nonsense that's not in the book?"
I think they were all right, except that they were absolutely terrible.
Hey! I think even Mr Tyrant might agree (and his quite possibly the most crabbity critter on this forum on the issue) that the movies were realized in some ways very very well. It's just - they were not anywhere near consistent enough in respecting and trusting the book.
They left things out that shouldn't have been left out.
They made up things they shouldn't have made up.
And they didn't seek [i:2vl7i8e4]my [/i:2vl7i8e4]advice before making the movies - and Mr Tyrant would definitely agree they should have!
The worse thing about the movies for me, in fact, is that there was plenty to suggest they could have made a brilliant adaptation but the film makers lost their nerve in places, and not only that, gave into their vanity and tried to wish themselves into Tolkien's vision by doing their own sub-creating - they shouldna hav!
Obviously this all just my opinion - though of course, I do speak for Mr Tyrant as well, that's obvious too.
I try to point this out sometimes, but maybe I should do it more often. I love the movies too; they're among my favourite 'serious' (i.e., non-comedy) movies. (I keep going back and forth between LOTR and Star Wars IV and V. ) I don't hesitate to point out the flaws where I think they are, but all in all I think the movies are enjoyable to watch, [i:wz6g1rmx]even[/i:wz6g1rmx] if I want to claw my eyes out during a few parts.
[quote:wz6g1rmx]And if you were in Jackson's shoes, I'm sure you wouldn't WANT to detract from the story, but in the movie business, it's a must if you want to keep the audience engaged.[/quote:wz6g1rmx]
Well sure, but if I were in Jackson's shoes I would have been concerned with adapting the book and less concerned with adding new parts that I thought were 'cool'.
[quote:wz6g1rmx]And be thankful they turned out as well as they did!!!![/quote:wz6g1rmx]
Definitely! They could have turned out like Bakshi, or been made by the infamous Zimmerman who Tolkien tore into in Letter 210, or by [url=http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/three_rings_for_hollywood.htm:wz6g1rmx]John Boorman[/url:wz6g1rmx]. With company like that, though, being better isn't saying too much. However, PJ could certainly have done worse; and while it's small consolation, I'm glad that he didn't.
Couldn't agree with you more!
[quote:4tadw37b]Although I agree with what everyone is saying about the movies and their badness, and it seems everyone (except GB perhaps...) despises them.[/quote:4tadw37b]
I loved the movies too! I don't think anyone here hates them. The purpose of this thread is to give us an excuss to complain about what we wished we had seen in the films! (we all need an excuss to complain ). PJ did a brilliant job and I know everything can't be included in the films (though I would also be wlling to watch 6 lotr movies). He did a much better job than other film adaptation (Eragon....) You can see that we love the films too from the thread from which this one spawned from (Golden moments in the movies). I guess it's just fun to scruitinzie
Ok, I will concede, out of the running time of the EE versions, taken as a whole, out of the twelve hours, there's maybe 10 or at a push 15 minutes of stuff that's genuinely good and well realized.
I think they are bad films. Not just bad adaptations but bad films. [i:sn8limvw]I[/i:sn8limvw] find them boring to watch and I'm a huge Tolkien fan. I know of no non-Tolkien fan who would rate a single one of those films in their top ten. I wouldn't, not even close. There is far more wrong with them than there is right.
To think thats it. Most likely, due to the cost of such productions, this will be the only big screen LOTR I get to see in my lifetime and that's enough to make me weep, and then make me angry.
Was that crabbity? I suspect the truth often is.
The upside is: it seems you've rediscovered your crabbit - and that can only be good!
Alas! You've got me thinking now: How much of the LotR movies do I think was done well?
Need to think about it - but my preliminary thoughts are not hopeful - and now I'm getting depresssed about the Hobbit Movies again.... I guess it's why I joke around so much on this Forum - I'm trying to distract myself from my pain! ......
. speak friend, and enter. (pippin) Gandalf. whats Elvish for friend. MELLON.
Arrgh this all makes me mad. Damn those films!! I'd rather they'd never been made, I would prefer the wishful daydreaming of the past when I used to hope someday someone would make the books into films. The dream was sadly far, far better than the reality PJ delivered and now I've not even hope left to me. Its all to grim!!
[i:4m8zhbw2]Actually[/i:4m8zhbw2] it was Gandalf. "With a suddenness that startled them all the wizard sprang to his feet. He was laughing! 'I have it!' he cried. 'Of course, of course! Absurdly simple, like most riddles when you see the answer.'"
Lol A matter of choosing your quotes Eldo! "I was wrong after all," said Gandalf, "and Gimli too, Merry, of all people, was on the right track. The opening word was inscribed on the archway all the time!"
Granted he does say "on the right track" but he has a reputation to maintain!
I actually liked Boromir in the movies. Not canon, I know, but I went back to the book after watching the movies and felt for the plight of Boromir more than I ever had before. But you're right Mr Tyrant - they could have given Sean Bean a 'canonical' approach - and he would have been still bettter.
I read an interview with Viggo where he said he thought Aragorn was under written and would have been better if it had stayed closer to the books as in Fellowship. Shame he didn't make a stronger case for it at the time.
And something PJ forgot,
In the scene where Frodo is stabbed by Shelob in the book, he was stabbed in the neck. After reading that, I realized why. Frodo was wearing Mithril. Shelob's stinger wouldn't have penetrated that. I mean, if a cave troll couldn't get through it, neithe could an overgrown spider right? WRONG! He's stabbed right in the belly!
And Eldo, love the new cat - though, it goes without saying, I hate the new cat!
also they missed out practically the whole 'a short-cut to mushrooms' chapter (although they did have a sort of tribute to it
[quote:35a5f9gv]Merry: "What?! That was just a detour, a shortcut."
Sam: "A shortcut to what?"
and they missed out tom bombadil (again, they did have a sort of reminder, in the wrong film though... never mind!)
[quote:35a5f9gv]Treebeard: "Eat earth. Dig deep. Drink water. Go to sleep. Away with you"[/quote:35a5f9gv]
i think that was what tom bombadil said to old man willow in fotr
im not angry at pj for missing them out, just dissapointed...
You might like to know Gandalf Beard's Three Golden Rules: Post Happily, Post Freely... and NO SILLINESS ALLOWED! NONE!
I agree with you about Beregond and I also liked the part when Pippin meets Beregond's son (Bergil?) and Pippin tells him how old he is.
Your new avatar is great Eldo but a badger wearing a crown might top that hehe
"Suddenly, and to his own surprise, Frodo felt a hot wrath blaze up in his heart. 'The Shire!' he cried, and springing beside Boromir, he stooped, and stabbed with Sting at the hideous foot. There was a bellow, and the foot jerked back, nearly wrenching Sting from Frodo's arm. Black drops dripped from the blade and smoked on the floor. Boromir hurled himself against the door and slammed it again." pg.426
On that point here's a question- did the Witch-king disgard his slashed robe because;
1. It had been cut with an elvish blade.
2. Because Frodo 'blessed' the attack by using the name of Elbereth
3. Both of the above.
4. He's too cool and fashionable to wear damaged clothing.
Though I loved the movies I thought Frodo was protrayed wrong in many ways. Mostly the wimpiness and especially the scene where go tells Sam to go away in ROTK. Maybe they were too concentrated on making frodo look spaced out all the time with the big blue eyes hahaha
I would have liked for Faramir to have been more like the character in the book. I think his character was butchered more by PJ than most of the others. The business with Faramir dragging Frodo, Sam, and Gollum back to Osgiliath was stupid. And, out of nowhere, Denethor is in Osgiliath to meet him. Where did he come from?
I would have like for the scene with farmer Maggot, when Frodo and company are trying to get to the ferry, in the movie. That whole "near miss" with the Nazgul and Maggot driving them to the ferry in the fog, and Merry riding up at the road to the ferry, etc. PJ and his writers chose to replace a lot of the more suspenseful sections with more dramatic segments used in the movies.