of the characters and the sceanary of the movies.
I tend to think of the movies, shame. I'v got a good imagination. Miss the middle earth i used
to have in my head. Had the Hobbits looking like little moles with waistcoats on like Beetrix potter.
To bring this back (slightly) to the thread topic, it might however be tricky in the imagination after listening to the plays to have Ian Holm's Bilbo in mind (he is brilliant at it and the best hobbit in the films) and Ian Holm as Frodo (also brilliant, shame he didn't find time for a chat with Elijah on how to act the role).
Thanks for the link on the BBC series, sounds great.
what did other people imagine gandalf and aragorn to look like???
Treebeard was totally different then I thought in PJs version. I kind of pictured him more humaniod and less tree-like.
I thought the characters in Bakshi's version were quite ridiculous looking. Boromir the barbarian hahahaha! And the no pants thing...However the film portrayed alot of the emotions quite well.
Sounds a bit silly now i think about it. Sure weve all imagined silly things. (havnt we) please say yes and make
me feel better.
And yes, that includes some of the alterations. I always imagined Arwen in Glorfindel's place (poor Gorfy ). Bakshi's version was pretty close for me too though. My biggest problem with Bakshi's film was portraying Aragorn as a Native American .
I guess I have a pretty strong visual imagination, so unless something really strikes me as wrong, films don't alter, but merge with, my imagination if it's close to my vision. If something isn't how I envision it, I keep my original vision and disregard the film.
Thinking of them NOT wearing pants in PJ's films brings up the memory of Willaim Wallace mooning the British....
Aragorn wasn't an Anglo-Saxon, though. Does anyone recall if the books mention if he had pants?
*After they have been modified to account for magic and fantasy creatures. This means that I'll accept wraiths as supernatural, but not, say, impossibly huge armies that couldn't be fed.
Trousers appeared in Western European culture at several points in history, but gained their current predominance only in the 16th century, from a Commedia dell'Arte character named Pantalone (the Italian language word for "Trousers". In England in the twelfth century, the rustic often wore long garments to the ankle, rather like trousers, which were really glorified braies (undergarments). Trouser-like garments, which became rare again in the thirteenth century, vanished during the fourteenth century and scarcely reappeared for six hundred years. The word itself is of Gaelic origin, from the Irish language or Scottish Gaelic, from the Middle Irish word "triubhas" (close-fitting shorts). It is, however, important to note that trews (a form of, originally, tight-fitting leggings, a traditional or derived Scottish garment) were, in fact, not trousers.[/quote:zb8lrelf]
In the end though, the only real point is that it would be perfectly in keeping with [b:zb8lrelf]Historical accuracy[/b:zb8lrelf] to have portrayed some of the inhabitants of Middle Earth as wearing tunics without pants or trousers. However, Middle Earth is also a FANTASY (i.e. IMAGINATIVE ). Hence we can have Hobbits wearing 19th century waistcoats, trousers and pocket-watches while the rest of Middle Earth is mired in Early Medieval cultural trappings. Aragorn and Boromir could have been wearing kilts, tunics, whatever...with or without undergarments .
[i:1aw2k8jq]"Oh the pants! the pants! Ive lost my pants!
My Kingdom for some pants, I rants!"[/i:1aw2k8jq]
[i:1aw2k8jq]"Oh you slinky slimly slappy chappy,
You've got the buttocks of your Pappy.
He visited me wi'out pants or trousers,
Arathorn was no shrinking wowser!
Come now, Strider! Yes, I DO know you,
And fear ye not who I'm just now talking to,
These friends of mine - a bit like orcs?
Ha! You must now prance about - or we might TALK."[/i:1aw2k8jq]
[i:1aw2k8jq]"Oh Illuvatar! My cover's blown,
My precious family jewells been shown,
And so now must I dance in vulgar Bree,
While evil men-orcs gawk at me!"[/i:1aw2k8jq]
[i:1aw2k8jq]"Oh indeed you must show us your stuff,
Show us your kingly rounded butt,
If your glory you flaunt freely for me
And my friends Gashgut, Bumrag, Mr T,
I'll not dob you in - yes, you can TRUST me!"[/i:1aw2k8jq]
[i:1aw2k8jq]"It seems I must succumb to Dark Forces,
But I swear I'll never perform with horses!"[/i:1aw2k8jq]
[i:1aw2k8jq]"Ah! Strider, I might say: if only?....
Hey! Bumrag fetch you Bill the pony!"[/i:1aw2k8jq]
.... channeling has its own risks...
As to crossing Caradhras you could do it wearing a kilt. Hghlanders crossed mountain paths in a kilt all the time, very warm and hard wearing material your kilt (and a surprising amount of it, a full kilt goes up over the shoulder and down the back and can be taken off and used as a thick blanket to sleep in when out in the wild so would in fact be very suitable for a ranger. It's a multi-purpose item of clothing).
About the Viking thing I thought it was only a myth that Vikings had horned helmits. At least it says so here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking#Weapons_and_warfare
(Below the cliff on Cruel Caradhras. Omitted from Movie).
[i:ky12g4g2]Oh the snow it is icy,
This blizzard quite chilly,
I wish i was home,
With my curtains so frilly,
My kilt it is breezy,
My testicles sneezy,
In June tra la!
Oh there's snow in my helmet,
(A Viking endowment,
Designed by an Elf,
While studying a pelmet)
Oh this helmet is squeezy,
But still cold and breezy,
In May li-lo!
My top is all furred-up,
My chest is quite hot,
I found out one day,
That my Dad was a Scot,
(Some say Mum's a fairy,
But I know she's not!)
In March ha-ha!
Oh tra la la lally,
Will you look at my belly!
(Look no further south,
For my bottom is smelly!)
The paunch it is paunchy,
I'm froze and not raunchy,
Oh where are you Arwen?
Your warmth might be calming
In April lol lol![/i:ky12g4g2]
Christopher Tolkien: "Poems Dad might have written if he had thought of them." (Volume Eleven).
And yet another charming Ode from Odo .
Bring in Genuine Operatic Traditions Society.