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I was rereading TT. And in the chapter 'King of the Golden Hall', shortly after Gandalf does his besting of Wormtongue in the hall and then leads Theoden out into the sun, there is this passage; 'Quickly now Gandalf spoke. His voice was low and secret, and none save the king heard what he said. But ever as he spoke the light shone brighter in Theoden's eye, and at the last he rose from his seat to his full height, and Gandalf beside him, and together they looked out from the high place towards the east. "Verily," said Gandalf, now in a loud voice, keen and clear,"that way lies our hope, where sits our greatest fear. Doom hangs still on a thread. Yet hope is still, if we can but stand unconquered for a little while."' A few pages later, as Gandalf is explaining to Theoden why following Wormtongue's advice not to hunt orcs in the north would have been disastrous for all Gandalf says this; 'Not indeed that prize which Saruman desires above all else, but at the least two members of my Company, sharers of a secret hope, of which even to you, lord, I cannot speak openly." So if he didn't tell Theoden about Frodo or the Ring in the first instance what did he tell him in a 'low and secret' voice?
[quote="pettytyrant101":2mijs5qd]I was rereading TT. And in the chapter 'King of the Golden Hall', shortly after Gandalf does his besting of Wormtongue in the hall and then leads Theoden out into the sun, there is this passage; 'Quickly now Gandalf spoke. His voice was low and secret, and none save the king heard what he said. But ever as he spoke the light shone brighter in Theoden's eye, and at the last he rose from his seat to his full height, and Gandalf beside him, and together they looked out from the high place towards the east. "Verily," said Gandalf, now in a loud voice, keen and clear,"that way lies our hope, where sits our greatest fear. Doom hangs still on a thread. Yet hope is still, if we can but stand unconquered for a little while."' A few pages later, as Gandalf is explaining to Theoden why following Wormtongue's advice not to hunt orcs in the north would have been disastrous for all Gandalf says this; 'Not indeed that prize which Saruman desires above all else, but at the least two members of my Company, sharers of a secret hope, of which even to you, lord, I cannot speak openly." So if he didn't tell Theoden about Frodo or the Ring in the first instance what did he tell him in a 'low and secret' voice?[/quote:2mijs5qd] That the secret to all of reality is 42. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> [b:2mijs5qd]GB[/b:2mijs5qd]
You been watchin Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy again [color=#008000:2nsglhgl]GB[/color:2nsglhgl]?
Gandalf said. Theo where starving, can you make me and the lads a bacon butty :lol:
Tolkien was probably concerned that there wasn't enough vague topics and references in TT, and added some, because he knew people love things to discuss! I think the reason is that he did reveal some information, that he didn't want any ears to hear, but the King. Gandalf though didn't reveal anything, i.e information about the ringbears, just the stuff about Galdadriel and the death of Boromir. So when he says he can't speak openly, he means he cant speak openly on Frodo and Sam. But Gandalf didn't want to speak openly in the first instance because he still speaks potentially sensitive information. There. Finished ad-libbing!
I'm not sure what he would have to tell Theoden about Galadriel. And Theoden would have known already about Boromir as Aragorn told Eomer about it earlier-"Your news is full of woe. He was a mighty man" or words to that effect (going from memory!) And Theoden seems clued up on everything Eomer was told by the time Gandalf and co arrive. My own guess is that it had something to do with Saruman and what Saruman was up to. It may have been deemed safe enough by Gandalf to not mention the Ring directly but to put Theoden in the picture over Sarumans real, long term goals regarding 'Isildur's bane'. Just my guess though.
Perhaps it was about he Return of the King? Or the POSSIBLe return...
I'm not sure what you mean Tin? Do you mean just telling him about Aragorn and the plan for him to be King? Theoden is already aware of who Aragorn is before he comes to Meduseld. Aragorn gives a full roll call of his lineage to Eomer when they meet and their names are given before entering the hall. So Theoden would have known who Aragorn was and his claim. So I'm not sure there would have been much more to say and Aragorn's claim is not a secret.
[quote="pettytyrant101":37jxoimr]"But ever as he spoke the light shone brighter in Theoden's eye," So if he didn't tell Theoden about Frodo or the Ring in the first instance what did he tell him in a 'low and secret' voice?[/quote:37jxoimr] Either chanting a spell to snap Theoden out of it, or whispering "Sweet Nothings." <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> [b:37jxoimr]GB[/b:37jxoimr]
I don't know. It's Gandalf. Who EVER knows??? :roll: :lol:
I somewhat agree with Jolly (unless that's still Ally using that account, I can never keep all these multiple accounts and switcheroos straight :x ). Gandalf probably gave Theoden a vague message that there was a plan to take down Sauron that they had to wait for, but was sure not to be too open about it, as he mentions in the latter quote.
I don't know, I find it all a bit odd. If that is all he said why do they stand at the end of it and look east to Mordor? Why does Gandalf say the bit about doom hanging on a thread- the members of the Company would have got the meaning certainly but not Theoden, yet it seems to be said for Theodens benefit as the Company hardly need a reminder.
[quote="Eldorion":2ffeucw9]I somewhat agree with Jolly (unless that's still Ally using that account, I can never keep all these multiple accounts and switcheroos straight :x ). Gandalf probably gave Theoden a vague message that there was a plan to take down Sauron that they had to wait for, but was sure not to be too open about it, as he mentions in the latter quote.[/quote:2ffeucw9] Still Ally I'm afraid. Too much hassle to get my account back... Was this before Theoden gave Gandalf Shadowfax? If it was, maybe the sneaky wizard was trying bemuse Theoden, and steel the horse? I don't know, but it is rather odd...
I don't think the movies bothered to explain where Gandalf got Shadowfax from, and they didn't have any scene where Theoden gifts the horse to Gandalf that I can recall. That would make more sense in a book context, I think...