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I still dream of a Silm movie ... though the risks are great (see the so controversial LotR movie!)! 'til now, I'd say we're like the Ainur in the beginning: we know the Word, the Book, the History ... yet we've never seen them! It would be a shame that such a wonderful book never gets the chance to be visualised! Just my humble thoughts ...

Namarie!
I do not think that Sean Connery would be a good choice for Manwë; actually the LotR casting ppl offered him the role as Gandalf, but he felt that LotR was stupid and couldn't understand the script. "Hobbits? Bobbits?"

Also, on another note, 5 or 6 months ago (or even more) I ran into an official site for a movie set in Middle-earth but not based on Tolkien's books. Anyone know anything
'bout this? I can't remember the name of the film, except that it's one word.
"Heresy"?
Any movie set in Middle-Earth would be fine, as long as they didn't touch the Sil. Every time I read the Lotr books now, all I see is Elijah Wood and Ian McKellen. I don't want my Sil. to be ruined like the other books were. Now, PJ did an outstanding job and everything was wonderful and I enjoyed greatly the movies, but I wish that I could seperate the images I had and the images PJ created. So don't mess with Tinuviel or Beren or Mandos or Yavanna, the Sil. is my favorite book and I want it to stay pure. That is all I will say.

Cáno
woah! silmarillion as a movie would be infinitely spiffy, but i don't think it would be as wildly popular, and therefore not as worth a studio's investment, as the lord of the rings. i mean, making the silmarillion into a movie would be like making the decline and fall of the roman empire into a movie. yeah, the silmarillion is a fantasy, but it's much more like a history book than it is anything else. and i don't think you could have any of the people from lotr in the silmarillion, otherwise the less prepared theatergoers would get them confused with their lotr characters, wouldn't you think? but anyway, my votes are as follows:

feanor- kevin spacey
beren- vincent d'onofrio
maedros- m/b steve buschemi, but he might not have the meat to pull off the role. jack nicholson could probably tear that up.
young galadriel- leelee sobieski, although i think her facial bone structure is completely different than blanchet's.
manwe- liam neeson
varda- diane lane

and i'd have to glance through it again to see about everybody else. i think that kevin spacey would make a killer feanor, though. absolutely
lol, Spacey for Feanor?!? That would be some movie...
As for the actors, I think that actors who are too popular could not fit in an epic creation such as the Silmarillion, as u need people not so known to identify them with their characters, instead of saying 'Look, there's 'The Gladiator', or 'The Terminator', or ...' well, u get my point! I'd like to see a movie so that after it I can say: 'Feanor was done great!' and after a while, when seeing that actor in a different role, say 'Lol, there's Feanor!'

Namarie!
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, instead of saying 'Look, there's 'The Gladiator', or 'The Terminator', or ...' well, u get my point


Mind you, Arnie would make a great Tulkas.... "I'll be back, Melkor!"
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Mind you, Arnie would make a great Tulkas.... "I'll be back, Melkor!"

No, as a governor and possible future president of the US (i'll be back, Uncle Sam), Arnie is out.

Anyway, let's close this topic down once and for all : i'll see to it that a Silmarillion movie will never be made so all discussion about it leads to nowhere.
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Anyway, let's close this topic down once and for all : i'll see to it that a Silmarillion movie will never be made so all discussion about it leads to nowhere.

Well, if PJ's planning to do it, i think it's better that the movie's never made.
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Well, if PJ's planning to do it, i think it's better that the movie's never made.
I'd rather have no movie than a totally mixed up one. If PJ is allowed to do as he wants and don't have a filmcompany telling him to change everything, then I am all for it.

Sean Connery is no elf and definitly no Valar, I don't want to see him as a human either. But he would make a brilliant dwarf!
Sean Connery, is SIX foot tall and more, hmmm kinda defeats the object of dwarf? lol

In addition, he has one accent - Scottish, and many variations being so versatile an actor he can do, Scottish-Spanish(Highlander) Scottish-Russian(Hunt for the Red October) Scottish-Period Drama; Scottish-Mediaval English (Robin Hood Prince of Weeeeeedz), Scottish-American (Untouchables). He's so Talented dontcha think?

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Well John Rhys Davies who played Gilmi isn't exactly a midget either, you see him tower over the Hobbits in the movie, that is no filmtrick.
Oh yes he really is talented! Imagine Scottish-Quenya or Scottish-Sindarin!! Super Scared Smilie
Please spare us!! I'll do anything! Any-hyhy-thing! *weeping* Very Sad Smilie
Jon-Rhys Davies is Welsh, He has the abiltiy to shrink at will. (FACT)


Trust me i know I too am a shrinking daffodil.

That's funny because if the Welsh have the ability to shrink at will, that makes Asians even more susceptible to shrinkage. At least, that's what my friends tell me...

What I wouldn't give to look less like a hobbit and more like an elf instead...
All men can shrink.
Yes. Also our hair starts growing downwards. Instead of coming out at top of our head it comes out all sorts of wrong places.
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All men can shrink.

Danny DeVito can't.
Sure he can, we just won't notice it 'cause he will simply disappear.
Puts the whole conservation of mass into perspective, doesn't it?
Seems to me one of the hobbits had a pronounced Scottish accent. (I still can't tell connect the actor's name to their character or voice.)
That's Billy Boyd.
I think Billy Boyd has an IRISH accent. And Dominic Monaghan has a sort of Irish accent too. Trust me. I've BEEN to Ireland. Unfortunately, I was still a embryo, but doesn't that count for SOMETHNG?
You all know how I feel about this so lets me just say one thing.
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I will hunt you down director from New Zealand if you dare touch this book!
I assume the hunter in the preceeding quote is only proposing this hunting in order to present the huntee with an award for chutzpah. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

I have refrained from editing it because I know it was said in jest. Making threatening statements against anyone is strictly against the policy of this website. Moderator Smilie
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I assume the hunter in the preceeding quote is only proposing this hunting in order to present the huntee with an award for chutzpah.

Hey, i can't wait to enter Ross's dining room and see PJ's head hanging on the wall... together with the heads of the entire LOTR cast. Elk Grinning Smilie
It's not that this film should not be made into a movie it's that at this point in time it can't be. It's too BIG, it would be like making The Bible into a movie. There are too many crossing over of stories and well just too many stories. The best direction at this point in time would be to break up the book into parts and make inter-active games with them, this way the games can carry on into one another. Now if Jackson wanted to make certain stories into films it might be a little more practicle but with all of the character development and influence on one another this is still a difficult task. Jackson is better off making The Hobbit, now that book was made to be a movie. Smoke Smilie
I think theyy could make the Tale of Beren and Luthien into a film..... it has all the major ingredients for a blockbusting story - strong woman, hero, love, magic, elves, bests, vampires, bad guy in black captures heroine, heroine escapes and love wins in the end. They may even have time to add bits about some of the history and also link it to Aragorn and Elrond as being descendents of these two lovers.
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Celebrimbor Posted Saturday 25th September 2004 (04:18am)
If they ever made a movie outta the Silmarilion you'd have to like stay in the theatres like 4 months just to see the whole thing.
~Celebrimbor
Race: Elf | Location: Lothlorien


I moved Celebrimbor's post to here as the First Age Movie thread is due to be deleted by Grondmaster - Vee
Well, I'll be willing to stay and watch it for a year, if it takes that long... I just wanna see it done!
what I think should be done would have little theatre value. Something in the vein of The Animatrix. A collection of animation studios taking separate chapters/tales out of the Silmarillion and turning them into artistic 20 minute-or-so films. The division of the labor intensive film making process, and different animation styles/interpretations could very well render a potentially dull and uninteresting film beautifully engaging. I'm not imagining the animation styles like the ones in The Animatrix, but the concept remains.

However, I would be devastated were the themes of illuvatar and the discord of melkor anything short of breathtaking. and that is a tall order for any composer, impressive resume or no.

I'm an intended animation major though, so my opinion is a little biased.
The silmarillion would be one hell of a movie to pull off, i don't even know if it's possible to make that movie comprehend-able to the common audience, and yet give the story justice.

The problem is The Silmarillion's story branches off into so many different plots that it would be too hard to follow, unless you read the book...or watched it a dozen times.

DangerMouse that dude is an ill dj! But i really have to disagree with your point of view on Túrin. you said "...I'd expect better luck and a bigger heart from my fictional heroes." Remember the part where Morgoth held Húrin in thrall and cast his most loathsome corse upon him and his family? Well that is the reason why he had such everything went amiss for Túrin, and how can a mere mortal strive with the will of a fallen Vala?

and as for killing Glaurung. He accomplished, with 1 other, what Elven armies could not do... need i say more?

most importantly!!!! does anyone have any actual proof about this Silmarillion movie even existing?
Regarding the Silmarillion being made into a movie: let us all pray that it NEVER happens. Why? Well, I just cannot see any Hollywood-types playing Feanor or Beren or Morgoth. And how in the heck would they ever do Eru? Bad idea. Lord knows that some fool like Jerry Bruckheimer would get ahold of it and make it into Armageddon, Tolkien-style!(Perish the thought!)
Even if PJ the Almighty were to do it, he'd probably cut out most of the plot, rendering it incomprehensible anyway.

Just my (not-so-humble) opinion.
I agree with L! they really shouldn't make a movie out of it, it could never meet my expectations and i'd just be disappointed. If they did make the mistake of producing one though, I know how they could do Eru. Just never have him appear in it, they can just shoot scenery shots, (example: when they are in the void before beginning of Arda, they should be invisible to the human eye.) and have him talking in the background. His voice should sound clear, fluent, deep, and soothing.
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most importantly!!!! does anyone have any actual proof about this Silmarillion movie even existing?
No, today I went back to the archives and found this thread's missing first post, which I copied to the current the first post. Basically it said it was only a rumor—like a wild hair (or is that a wild hare that hops all over the place)—that Allyssa said she picked up somewhere. It will never happen, but it's fun to consider.
i doubt the Silmarillion would EVER be made into a movie. No hollywood director would be able to read it enough times to understand the plot enough. THink back, all of you.... to your first time (or attempt, like me) of reading the SIlmarilion. Did you remember the plot? It's not exactly a 'sticking-to-one-story-plot' is it? It would take ages to rearrange into a plot that was followeable. and then it would be hours long. It's just to great a task. AND LET'S LEAVE IT THAT WAY!!!! Now movie should be made of the SIlmarillion. We just can't trust Hollywood and all those companies to do it properly.
If it were ever attempted, I think it would just have to concentrate on the central story around the Silmarils, their loss to Melkor, the great battles of the First Age and their eventual recovery by Beren. Although he is one of my favourite characters, Turin would have to be left out. His story is not really directly linked to the Silmarils, and he would become the Tom Bombadil of the Silmarillion (ie. where is he?)

Personally, I think the Tale of the Ring of Barahir would make a better film or mini-series.
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Turin would have to be left out. His story is not really directly linked to the Silmarils, and he would become the Tom Bombadil of the Silmarillion (ie. where is he?)


i disagree for a few reasons. They must have Glaurung in the movie, it would be a slap in the face to Tolkien's work not to have him. As we all know Túrin happens to be the one who slays Glaurung; to change that in the movie would be a disgrace. We've seen enough of that in the LOTR movies.
Túrin's fate is woven in with many other characters with "high senority." Túrin is the son of Húrin, and Hurin is another character who can't be missed out.

For all those who would not want Silmarillion to be made into a movie, I'd say: think of your favorite scenes in the book, close your eyes, imagine them... and now, open your eyes to know that's all you'll ever get! You might be happy with that... but I am not! I think it'd represent the crowning of Tolkien's masterpiece and the total recognition of his genius... Just imagine the Ainulindale; the Noldor rebellion; Melkor striving with Ungoliant; all of the Battles; the duels; Luthien defeating Sauron, then ensnaring Morgoth himself; the great Elvish realms/cities; Hurin defying Morgoth; Sauron almost repenting; Sauron in a fair form(really wanna see that!); the Numenorean might cowing Sauron every time; the Numenorean fleet covering the horizon and encompassing Tol Eressea (eat your heart out, "Troy"!); Sauron's duel with Elendil and Gil-galad... Of course, there are many more scenes, and I'm sure everyone has his/her favorites.
That's why I hope (make that "pray") Silmarillion will be made into a movie sometimes! Thx for bearing with me,

Namarie!
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Numenorean might cowing Sauron every time; the Numenorean fleet covering the horizon and encompassing Tol Eressea (eat your heart out, "Troy"!); Sauron's duel with Elendil and Gil-galad... Of course, there are many more scenes, and I'm sure everyone has his/her favorites.


The story of The Silmarillion is over at the end of the First age (which is already too long for a movie.) All the stuff i quoted from you is called Allakabeth, and takes place in the Second Age. So It most likely wouldn't find it's way into The Silmarillion movie.

Think about this.... LOTR took 3 movies, that are an average of 3 hours a piece, and they still couldn't squeeze all the material in there. The starting year of TFOTR is 3001, the year is 3019 when the ring is destroyed and the story ends, 18 years. but 17 out of 18 years, are very very evasive, a blur. It's the year 3018 when Frodo finally sets out to destroy the ring, and it's almost exactly a full year later when it's destoyed. So the movie time scale of LOTR is basically 1 full year of middle earth. Even though the Third Age consists of 3019 years, not many major events happen for the 1st 3018 years...

Now lets consider the First Age... It's may only be 583 years long but major events, which cannot be ignored, happen threw out the whole age. So already you can see the movie being confusing, for viewers who have never read the book. Don't forget to add "The Years of the Trees" which is about as long as the First Age, even though it is less eventful.
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Don't forget to add "The Years of the Trees" which is about as long as the First Age, even though it is less eventful.

Actually, the years of the trees span around 3,000 years.
my bad, the First Age is actually a short age only being 525 years.
Sounds long enough to me!!!! Even though it was quite short compared to the others.
Hi all,
That's a long thread, so I haven't read it all. A movie of the Silmarillion could't be done unless it was split into tons of parts (as I have seen pointed out in the posts I did read).
It could be made into a TV series with movies reserved for epic battle sections though.

I think making a really good movie out of the Silmarillion is hardly possible, as you said before it would be loooong and probably confusing. and I'm not quite sure if the stories could be implemented convincingly, the Silmarillion is hard stuff. best example: what do the valar look like? imagining them is not easy, but setting them on screen properly must be somewhat impossible.
Welcome to PT Psyonide! I reckon that you are right, Ithil. How on earth can you make a valar on a film? Would it be like, a shroud or flame or somehthing? Or maybe a mist? Or maybe smoke or just light or... okay now I am starting to ramble like Loni used to. Very Sad Smilie Very Sad Smilie Very Sad Smilie
It's possible to portray the Valar in the form they show themselves to the Children of Illuvatar, as described in the Silmarillion, though.

Other than that, the Music of the Ainur, etc. in which they're only in their pure spirit form, would rather be tedious, so The Director would probably choose to skip it.

But anyway : support The Director and give him credit for at least trying, even though the end result is crud !
Much as I would like to see the Silmarillion as a movie, I still agree with Ithil about the movie being hardly possible. PJ is a great director, but somehow I don't exactly think he (or anyone who's human) would be able to pull the Silmarillion off. The book's just too complex, and everything would be too long to put on screen. And also, where in the world would they get good-looking enough actors and actresses to portrait the fair Elves? Question Smilie
As someone sad hmmm....13 pages before it will bebest to make Silmarilion not one movie but a series of movies about the stories.Like the story of Tuor or Earendil.And Akalabet should be also created as a movie.
Yes, exactly, Ellesar! A series would be really cool... but they'd have to guarantee it's a success or else there's no way there's gonna be a good enough budget...
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A series would be really cool... but they'd have to guarantee it's a success or else there's no way there's gonna be a good enough budget...

That's a great idea ! Let's cast Ms Tyler as Lúthien and Mr Bloom as Beren in PJ's version of "Beren and Lúthien". Success guaranteed !

Ah, where's the time i was Virumor and actually cared about stuff like this... Smiling Santa Smilie
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