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"The mere thought, ... "hadn't even begun to speculate," ... "about the merest possibility of crossing my mind" - Douglas Adams
I think you are the casting directors' casting director. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie I would pay $10 to see that movie, especially if they play it straight. Cool Elf Smilie
I think that Cathy Bates or Dolly Parton may be a better choice for Maeglin!
But you yourself choose Jennifer Lopez to play Elwe!!!!
Anyway, I'd go to see that film mainly to see Robin Williams as Beren and Woody Allen as Hurin! Wink Smilie
Lets just hope that he doesn't make a version of the Silmarillion. However its pointless to even list the characters as having seen his last movie they will probable all be either animatronic or computer aminated.
So we could have.
Melkor- W. Warrick (the guy who played wicket and Willow)
Feanor- Jabba the Hutt
Thingol- Boba Fett

Oh poo, I have just been asaying the cast of Return of the Jedi.

Melkor- Admiral Piett
Feanor- A Ton Ton
Thingol- Genral Riekan

Doh, thiis time its Empire strike Back
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I had heard rumors that Jackson was thinking of making a movie about The Silmarillion. Are these true? If it's true wouldn't he have to make about 5 to 10 movies


no he'd condense it into one movie by not actually following the book and make up a completely different story.

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i haven't got a clue who could play them though. maybe Orlando Bloom could play an Elf, but i don't know which one.
Elijah Wood could make a good Elf aswell, but i really don't know


They're both terrible actors, lets face it they're only p[opular with the birds becausse you all fancy them!
Jabba the hutt as Feanor? Big Laugh Smilie This I gotta see...
Here's how I would imagine the cast list if Sil did become a film:

Melkor:Arnold Schwarzenegger (I'll be back!)
Feanor as himself
Thingol:Michael Kane
Maedhros:Chris Tucker
Fingon:Jackie Chan
Beren:Matt Damon
Luthien:Ben Affleck(They make such a nice couple!) Big Laugh Smilie
Peredhil the only one I agree with you about is Arnold Schwarzenegger!!! He would be great!
Well, I had few ideas of how to do it, is not so imposible,
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I've got a better idea, lets not. Books are just that books, not movie's. Your minds eye sets the scene not some poncy, jumped up, egotistical director/producer!
My friend and i have been talking about this dream for about a year now and I just now discover this thread! Anyway, i agree, the Sil would be just way too massive to be a movie and PJ wouldn't be my first pick for director.

My favorite story is still Turin Turumbar so i'd require massive sets for Menegroth, Nargothrond, and Brethil. The special effects would include Glaurung, Glaurung, and Glaurung. Costumes and wardrobe would be cool because of the various landscapes (Menegroth would be more sombre or dark, Nargothrond would be more rocky and woodlike, and Brethil is like army camo) as well as having the Dragon-Helm of Dor-Lomin. You would need excellent actors for the roles of Thingol, Beleg, Brandir, and Turin himself because the complexities of these characters (I think) are astounding. At any rate, i still love reading the Silmarillion. Huzzah!
I don't ever want to see The Silmarillion made into a movie now. It has become way too beloved, and treasured for me (even more so than LOTR) to even remotely entertain the idea of it being subjected to New Line's, and P.J.'s chop shop, or to be used as a vehicle for a Hollywood cash cow. The proper justice could never been done, unless someone, and more importantly some studio were willing to go the distance, and really do what it would take.

Iíll settle for the few things from the Sil. that P.J. has given us in his current films (which Iím grateful for), as I think thatís probably as close as weíre going to get to seeing anything from the Sil. on the big screen.

I do agree though that maybe some chapter taken independently, like the story of Beren and Luthien could possibly work well, especially if someone were willing to give it 3 to 3 Ĺ hours of running time.
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One of the early questions of this thread was: who would you have play the many parts for the movie?

Mandos: for the voice, all I want is the guy who does Goliath from the cartoon series "Gargoyles", the Navy commercials, and the X-box commercials (he's also done a few for BMW). His voice is regal, commanding and terrible in anger!
Manwe: either the guy above or Sean Connery
Thingol: Christopher Lambert from the "Highlander" movies
Feanor: Hugh Jackman or a younger Dolph Lundred

Those are just a few off the top of my head
That's why I'd like to do it. See if u have a vision of sth, u dont wanna someone fuck it up so- u are against the movie- if u do it it would be perfekt- JUST 4 U!!! But no metter how long it is, or complicated to do if it would be done it will be for money not for "us".
I think that a movie can't be but series oh yeah !!!

Feanor - Norton
Finfolfin- Gibson
Morgoth-Nickolson
Melian - J.Roberts
Galandriel-Skleranikova!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maedhros-Baderas
Tuor- someone handsome

The Question is who is going to play as Luthien????????????

All we hope to be this movie but may we dissapointed from the result????????
I think a "Silmarillion" movie(s) it's a great idea, though daring! I just hope that someone will have the courage to make this film. The book is great, the movie shouldn't be too far from it!
Good bye (until our next meeting)!
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The book is great, the movie shouldn't be too far from it!
Unless Peter Jackson has anything to do with it.
JonnieA posted on 29/10/2003 at 21:33 under 1st Age Movies under The Return of the King under Movies:
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I have for many years (long before Peter Jackson got involved) been nursing a secret (and never to be fulfilled) desire to see The Silmarillion on the big screen.
Obviously this would have to be in more than one film, and as I started thinking about it long before film-quality computer animation was possible, in my imagination these would have to be animated. The style would be based on that of Liz Danforth: clean and smooth; she formed my mental image of Middle-earth from her illustrations in various MERP modules.

Anyway, I would break the book down into 5 films as follows:

1. The Music of the Ainur to the death of Feanor.
2. Arrival of Fingolfin in Middle-earth to his death.
3. Beren and Luthien.
4. The Nirnaeth to the death of Turin.
5. ...to the War of Wrath.

If I won the lottery today I would still be very tempted to throw a few million at such a project. Maybe I should actually buy a ticket this week....

(Sorry this is rather off-topic, but I couldn't find anywhere else to post it.)
No problem JonnieA, I moved it here with the rest of its brethern. Happy Elf Smilie
Well, JonnieA, I too have the same desire! Yet I think u left out the last part: Akallabeth and 'Of the Rings of Power...'. That should make a good movie too!

One thing, though: if they were to make movies after Silmarillion, they'd better watch it! So many people were ill-pleased with PJ's LotR ... to have someone s***w with Silm would be horrible!

Maybe, in the near future, somebody will have both the money and the passion to achieve such a tremendous thing! I, for one, hope so!

Namarie!
Thanks, Grondmaster, for putting me in the right place. Interesting thread!

I would like to see a lot of the Sons of Feanor - far more interesting characters than the goody-goody Fingon, Finrod et al. In true Hollywood tradition they'd have to be played by English actors, because they'd be the bad guys.
I like Alan Rickman as Celegorm...dashing about on a great big horse, trying to run down Beren...what a part to play!

Akallabeth would make a great film, you'd need someone super-creepy to play Sauron. David Guest is probably free now he's no longer married to that Minelli woman.....no make-up required for the post-Downfall regenerated form scenes!
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I like Alan Rickman as Celegorm...dashing about on a great big horse, trying to run down Beren...what a part to play!

hmm, Alan Rickman is very "Silmarillionish" indeed, but for me he would make a perfect Eol or maeglin rather than Celegorm. Celegorm was fair-haired!
I must admit that I always read 'Celegorm the Fair' to mean fair of face rather than having fair hair.

To be honest Alan is probably a bit old to play an elf now, he had better be a man, maybe a cameo as Haldir or perhaps Tuor when he gets older. (Sorry Alan!)
Why not Elrond? Don't you think Alan could be a perfect Elrond?
Well, I'd say Eol for Alan Rickman: he'd be just great! Yeah, the Dark Elf ...

Namarie!
Iīd like to see it done...but if so exactly by the book! Otherwise....donīt bother making one cause I donīt want another hedonistic movie like PJ-LoTR!
Pfft, i don't want a movie because it would disappoint me anyway, me being the biggest nitpicker since Woody Nitpecker.

For instance, who would play Luthien? who would play Beren, Turin or Tuor? all ppl who wouldn't be like i imagined them or how JRRT described them (just like with LOTR). And how would Morgoth and Ungoliant and the Valar be portrayed? also not like i would have imagined them. And would the story be followed exactly true to the books ? nope.

So for my already decaying mental health it would be better to have NEVER a movie bout the Sil. And certainly not by PJ.


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Yes Virumor I did not see it that way.
Indeed there could not be a movie of the Sil as I imagine it so to quote you:
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So for my already decaying mental health it would be better to have NEVER a movie bout the Sil.


Nothing would be as I had imagined it and it would disappoint me....No movie of the Sil! EVER!
I still dream of a Silm movie ... though the risks are great (see the so controversial LotR movie!)! 'til now, I'd say we're like the Ainur in the beginning: we know the Word, the Book, the History ... yet we've never seen them! It would be a shame that such a wonderful book never gets the chance to be visualised! Just my humble thoughts ...

Namarie!
I do not think that Sean Connery would be a good choice for ManwŽ; actually the LotR casting ppl offered him the role as Gandalf, but he felt that LotR was stupid and couldn't understand the script. "Hobbits? Bobbits?"

Also, on another note, 5 or 6 months ago (or even more) I ran into an official site for a movie set in Middle-earth but not based on Tolkien's books. Anyone know anything
'bout this? I can't remember the name of the film, except that it's one word.
"Heresy"?
Any movie set in Middle-Earth would be fine, as long as they didn't touch the Sil. Every time I read the Lotr books now, all I see is Elijah Wood and Ian McKellen. I don't want my Sil. to be ruined like the other books were. Now, PJ did an outstanding job and everything was wonderful and I enjoyed greatly the movies, but I wish that I could seperate the images I had and the images PJ created. So don't mess with Tinuviel or Beren or Mandos or Yavanna, the Sil. is my favorite book and I want it to stay pure. That is all I will say.

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woah! silmarillion as a movie would be infinitely spiffy, but i don't think it would be as wildly popular, and therefore not as worth a studio's investment, as the lord of the rings. i mean, making the silmarillion into a movie would be like making the decline and fall of the roman empire into a movie. yeah, the silmarillion is a fantasy, but it's much more like a history book than it is anything else. and i don't think you could have any of the people from lotr in the silmarillion, otherwise the less prepared theatergoers would get them confused with their lotr characters, wouldn't you think? but anyway, my votes are as follows:

feanor- kevin spacey
beren- vincent d'onofrio
maedros- m/b steve buschemi, but he might not have the meat to pull off the role. jack nicholson could probably tear that up.
young galadriel- leelee sobieski, although i think her facial bone structure is completely different than blanchet's.
manwe- liam neeson
varda- diane lane

and i'd have to glance through it again to see about everybody else. i think that kevin spacey would make a killer feanor, though. absolutely
lol, Spacey for Feanor?!? That would be some movie...
As for the actors, I think that actors who are too popular could not fit in an epic creation such as the Silmarillion, as u need people not so known to identify them with their characters, instead of saying 'Look, there's 'The Gladiator', or 'The Terminator', or ...' well, u get my point! I'd like to see a movie so that after it I can say: 'Feanor was done great!' and after a while, when seeing that actor in a different role, say 'Lol, there's Feanor!'

Namarie!
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, instead of saying 'Look, there's 'The Gladiator', or 'The Terminator', or ...' well, u get my point


Mind you, Arnie would make a great Tulkas.... "I'll be back, Melkor!"
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Mind you, Arnie would make a great Tulkas.... "I'll be back, Melkor!"

No, as a governor and possible future president of the US (i'll be back, Uncle Sam), Arnie is out.

Anyway, let's close this topic down once and for all : i'll see to it that a Silmarillion movie will never be made so all discussion about it leads to nowhere.
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Anyway, let's close this topic down once and for all : i'll see to it that a Silmarillion movie will never be made so all discussion about it leads to nowhere.

Well, if PJ's planning to do it, i think it's better that the movie's never made.
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Well, if PJ's planning to do it, i think it's better that the movie's never made.
I'd rather have no movie than a totally mixed up one. If PJ is allowed to do as he wants and don't have a filmcompany telling him to change everything, then I am all for it.

Sean Connery is no elf and definitly no Valar, I don't want to see him as a human either. But he would make a brilliant dwarf!
Sean Connery, is SIX foot tall and more, hmmm kinda defeats the object of dwarf? lol

In addition, he has one accent - Scottish, and many variations being so versatile an actor he can do, Scottish-Spanish(Highlander) Scottish-Russian(Hunt for the Red October) Scottish-Period Drama; Scottish-Mediaval English (Robin Hood Prince of Weeeeeedz), Scottish-American (Untouchables). He's so Talented dontcha think?

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Well John Rhys Davies who played Gilmi isn't exactly a midget either, you see him tower over the Hobbits in the movie, that is no filmtrick.
Oh yes he really is talented! Imagine Scottish-Quenya or Scottish-Sindarin!! Super Scared Smilie
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Jon-Rhys Davies is Welsh, He has the abiltiy to shrink at will. (FACT)


Trust me i know I too am a shrinking daffodil.

That's funny because if the Welsh have the ability to shrink at will, that makes Asians even more susceptible to shrinkage. At least, that's what my friends tell me...

What I wouldn't give to look less like a hobbit and more like an elf instead...
All men can shrink.
Yes. Also our hair starts growing downwards. Instead of coming out at top of our head it comes out all sorts of wrong places.
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All men can shrink.

Danny DeVito can't.
Sure he can, we just won't notice it 'cause he will simply disappear.
Puts the whole conservation of mass into perspective, doesn't it?
Seems to me one of the hobbits had a pronounced Scottish accent. (I still can't tell connect the actor's name to their character or voice.)
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