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It is perhaps the least drawn-out part of the Silmarillion, there just isn't much plot to it. What I'm thinking is, if it were filmed as Part 4 of a Silmarillion series, would it have enough storyline to stand on its own?
As long as you put the results, it certainly is!
The Silmarillion is about the Silmarils. Just as Lord of the Rings is about the ring. You need the voyage of Earendil paired with the final overthrow of Morgoth to truly end that series. No matter how many films you make out of the rest.
Consider the big three... noone defeats the bad guy! Oh, they win battles, get back a single Silmaril, but still Morgoth is there. And he's not dying of old age either.
You have to have his voyage, the Valar returning, and the last two of Fenor's sons die. You need to end the Silmarillion with one in the sky, one in the sea, and one in the ground.
I guess you could skip the Valar creating Numenor during the epilouge though. But I would love the prospect of a feature film quality retelling of the Akellebeth.
If you didn't use Earendil's voyage, how would the story end?
Agreed <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> The Voyage is essential.

I also would like to see "Akallabeth" on screen...hmm...methinks of another idea... <img src='/images/smileys/vevil.gif' border='0' alt='Very Evil Smilie' /> :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
A quick reread of your question made me think. Even as only one scene in the film, how would they actually portray that voyage itself?
Would he wear the Silmaril on his brow and just sort of make it through the enchanted isles?

Perhaps they can show him enter a horrific storm, only to be beguiled and end up heading back east again. Then after [i:3sohxw8r](Damn, I forgot his wife's name!)[/i:3sohxw8r] arrives on his ship he tries again.

[size=85:3sohxw8r][i:3sohxw8r]As to how the filmmaker would like to show her take the hue of a bird and fly to his ship? I have no clue. But that is for another discussion.[/i:3sohxw8r]
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This time, when he enters the same horrific storm the light of the Silmaril shines the brightest and allows him to make his way past the Enchanted Isles and out of the storm. And then on to the shores of Aman.

But what can they do to the storm to make it worthy of his journey? What could they do that would make it bigger than just a repeat of every other film storm. How do you represent a end all, kill all storm?
Elwing is the name I tink you want Show <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
To represent the kind of storm that the story needs, the filmmakers need to treat the sea as an actual character. They need to picture it as a character that Earendil is actually fighting against to get the the Valar. I'm not talking about a sea-god like in Prince Caspian (he's not fighting Ulmo). I don't know how to put it into words. But the mood of the scene can't be a normal storm. Normal storms are forces of nature that we have no power over. We must just wait them out. This storm must be something that Earendil, with the help of the Silmaril, needs to subdue, not just survive. I hope that makes sense.
In the grand scheme of things, it would be very difficult to cram this into the Big Three. In order to make things complete, they need a film before the Big Three, and then a film (including the voyage) after the Big Three, making a total of 5 films.
I don't believe the travel of Earendil woul make such a good movie by itself. To do so, you would have to tell a lot more about his journey past the enchanted isles, and that would be too much like the narnian Voyage of the Dawn Treader, or the travels of Odysseus or Gulliver.

A more promising story would start of showing the reason for the voyage: The elves and edain losing, on retreat. Then the voyage, with a mighty storm, Elwing changing into a great bird and flying out to meet Earendil, a short part of passing through the enchanted isles (we don't know much of what goes on there anyway), and arrival at the shores of Valinor. After an evocative passage about the empty city of Tún, the armies (and gods) of Valinor go to battle. A climactic battle follows, that dwarfes (sorry Gimli) the battle of Minas Tirith, and the overthrow of Morgoth. After that Earendil sets sails across the sky, and as the light fades Elwing changes form and flies after him...

In this movie the voyage still plays a key role, but only as the catalyst for the intervention from Valinor. And if anyone wants to make that movie, I'm game for the manuscript...
I wouldn't think so with so much much sea water about... oh "filmable" - I thought it said "flammable!" :shock: (My mistake! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> )
Oh Uncle! Eldo is sure to think you're up to something!
[quote="Mirabella Banks":34ih9hap]Oh Uncle! Eldo is sure to think you're up to something![/quote:34ih9hap] I've long since realized that Odo is [i:34ih9hap]always[/i:34ih9hap] up to something. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
And I suspect you are too Eldo! The Tyrant sees all remember (well, once I've found my glasses).
What exactly are you guys up to? You're turning this Respectable Forum into the Kingdom of Farce! :x (I can only imagine how Tin's going to take it! :shock: )
I will film this, as soon as Tolkien's works enters the public domain. I promise.
I've forgotten what we were talking about...are you talking about the subject of this Thread? If so - how novel! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Odo Banks":15cxbyst]Respectable Forum[/quote:15cxbyst] It turned from that path a long time ago... Odo has sent Respectable into exile <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' />
You're lucky he is asleep just now, Ringdrotten - otherwise I'm sure he'd be giving you a right old mouth full! You know, he thinks himself THE expert on Respectability!
[quote="Mirabella Banks":9l3frmjr]THE expert on Respectability![/quote:9l3frmjr] Really? :lol:
[quote="pettytyrant101":20csitt3]And I suspect you are too Eldo! The Tyrant sees all remember (well, once I've found my glasses).[/quote:20csitt3] But of course. :twisted:
[quote="Ally":1m06ce4t]I will film this, as soon as Tolkien's works enters the public domain. I promise.[/quote:1m06ce4t] So Ally, you like to film too???? This will be interesting! For so do I! And pertaining to the topic, it could be filmable NOW, with all of this new technology, but I'd wait for another 10 years for the technology to advance more before we start on This.
I suspect you're waiting until you've set yourself up enough Tin, that you can make it yourself! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
We gonna have to wait till Tolkein's work enters the public domain of course. Let's hope that the tech doesn't arrive so soon, that PJ or New Line can have a crack of filming it.
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Doh!

I think is perfectly filmable. The story can seem very short, and so it is in the Silmarillion, but it can be adapted deeply in a long film.
We can start with the Doriath and Gondolin refugees in the Sirion's mouth. Earendil and Elwing are married and they have the little Elrond and Elros. Maedhros is forced by the oath of Feanor and claims the Silmaril. Earendil is in one of his long trips and they don't anwer. Maedhros attaks and almost kills everyone. They kidnap Earendil's sons and Maglor symathyze with them. Elwing jumps into the sea with the Silmarils and Ulmo gets her to Earendil. And here begins the journey. He can make some parallelism with Ulysses odyssey, but we don´t have to make it very long. I mean, we can put some dangers in the trip, but we don't have to make up long fights with tentacled monsters like the one in Moria and things like that... They cross the enchanted islands with the power of the Silmaril and arrive to Aman. Here we can have 1 hour of the film perfectly.
Then, Earendil goes alone, discovers the empty city, and then talks to the Valar. Elwing chat with the Teleri and then goes also with the Valar. They are given the choice of being human of elves, they choose the second because of Elwing, and then get prepare to the Wrath's Battle. The huge army goes to battle, heading Finarfin, and Angband is conquested (we can expand it a lot, making a 20 minutes battle, or even more). Morgoth is caught and thrown to the emptiness.
Earendil ends flying in the heaven with his boat and the Silmaril.
Then, Maedhros and Maglor, the only Feanor's sons who survived, steal the Silmarils, escape and find their fates.
We can end with images of each Silmaril, in groung, sky and sea. Or we can also make and epilogue with the chose of Elros and Elrond, the Numenor kingdon, even the creation of the rings or power.
So, we have a more than two hours film, and more if we make that epilogue.
The problem is creating a lot of details and dialogues not included in Tolkien's work.

i agrree with both Beren and Hador. Something out of the ordinary special effects or no would have to be laid down, it would take so much thought and finesse as well to bring forth from the page what our esteemed professor Tolkien painted in his heart and mind I think.

Due to the Epic Ethereal Fantasy nature of the whole Sil- I believe that the only way a film could do it justice is to actually release the Sil as a serialization and cover the entire thing.  A good half of it would have to be CGI as lets face it the visualizations which Tolkien conjours, especially in the beginning of the book would be simply impossible to film in studio.

I thnk in a few years time someone will definitely make some form of visual version of it.

Even a Opera, on film, I would love to see that!

Rene Flemming for Varda!

I should not like to see it attempted until someone comes along that was and is a die hard Tolkien fan, having read over and over his works and becoming almost like a profiler so that the deep inside of the thing could be understood and transferred to cinema. I know I am not making sense, and I cannot even explain it, but anything less would be to me a serious and irreversible tragedy.

That's the problem Lee Lee.  No matter how learned and fanatical the Director was in Tolkien, her or his work could never live up to the superior rendition which our mind conjures during the reading and re rereading of these works.  Its a lose lose situation.....

You  are quite right dear Brego, but when read and reread it at least brings into focus after a while certain things that cannot in any way go against what Professor Tolkien was conveying, both in 'fact' in this world and in emotions. And let us say that the director was  only one of six or seven others that had done the same, well then surely between them, all extreme veterans of the books, something at least as true as humanly possible could emerge from the mist and give us something to treasure. But to just sort of skim over , thinking of this tremendous body of work as just a screenplay as it were and a good money making project, well,,,,,,,,,,,forget it. period.