Thread: BEREN AND LUTHIEN (THE MOVIE): directors and actors
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Tinuviel, I actually think we're saying the same thing. (Which means we're progressing, I do believe!)
Sudden thought. How is 'Tinuviel' pronounced?
Why do u ask?
By the way, I found a site called the Tolkien Forum which had a thread running last year called Beren and Luthien: The Movie . It looks like we're not the first to have a whack at this .
As to what other forums have tried to do in the past: check BEREN AND LUTHIEN (ADAPTATION) for my pithy response!
Actually, I've formed quite an affection for Finrod. He seems very down to earth - for an elf at least! Just thought of something interesting - Finrod forsook immortality because of his love for a mortal! Now, who could play him?
And the film looks plain dull!
But Jeremy Irons would have been good. Cream always rises to the top.
And when I was younger, I refused to read it because it was called ERagon, which for me was WAY too close to Aragorn. And I still wont read it, I'm not all too sure why..
What about the two brothers? who should play them?
As to Finrod losing his Immortality, I was trying to be a bit witty. As usual, I've fallen on my face!
What I was getting at was that Finrod loved Beren (in a platonic way) and so when Finrod is killed by the werewolf he thus gives up his life (and Immortality!) for him.
I certainly hope you don't think I was suggesting Finrod have a romance with Beren - that would not seem very appropriate! Not only would T be quite taken aback by the idea, I'm sure, but Luthien wouldn't be pleased either!
Is there any chance you might be mixing Finrod Felagund up with someone else?
Maybe I was a little hard on Eragon - but I really did not warm to it...
And I didn't warm up to it either...
Now we can get back on track.
How about Tom Cruise as a weedy hobgoblin? He could jump around brandishing a scimitar - just before Beren cuts him into mincemeat...
Hey! We could even save some money on prosthetics!
Hey! What about Nicole Kidman for Luthien? Then she could cut that hobgoblin into incy wincy bits. Could be very realistic...!
Personally I liked the Pythonish sounding Orcs in Jackson's films. Then a little while ago I saw an article on the BBC site about Michael Caine. Think we can find a role for Michael "Me 'and, it's me Bloody 'and" Caine? Come to think of it, as he's already played a handless bloke decades ago, he has the experience to play Barahir .
Okay, probably not . And B&L is probably too serious for a couple of comic relief Orcs.
By the way, Nicole Kidman is good I'll grant you, but I think she's a bit too icy and sharp looking to be Luthien. She might be brilliant as Luthien's mother though.
Nicole could cetainly pull off any acting role (and come over to my place whenever she wanted to for that matter, not even my own wife could blame me for that, surely! I'm only human... Where was I...? Oh yes....)
Would Melian be dark of hair, I wonder?
It's like Tyler's and Portman's ability to convey vulnerability and strength and passion and compassion all at once that sucks us in and makes their Outer Beauty Radiate from the Screen.
In any case, I can't believe I've only just thought of this, but I think Emma Watson (Hermione) is just such a young actress. If I were young Beren, I would be utterly distracted from Orc Slaying if I came across her in the Wilderness .
I'm not fully convinced with your argument about 'uncommon beauty' though. I've seen some absolutely beautiful women who did not appear to have any inner beauty at all. In fact, there have been some women of uncommon beauty who have been proven to be, in fact, extremely common! But that's another story altogether!
I think when you refer to Inner Beauty and Outer Beauty coming together in the one package, you're actually referring to uncommonly uncommon beauty. Anyone could make that mistake!
But the reason I feel as I do, is that many women that light the fires of billions of men the world over do almost nothing for me, including such popular "Hotties" as Nicole Kidman and Angelina Jolie, both fine actresses in their own right, and both seem quite good natured off-screen too. But there is something a bit "Sharp" and "Unattainable" about them (of course they all are for me ).
But others like Tyler, Portman, and Watson (and a few others whose names I forget at the moment) have a down-to-earth quality about them. They seem "Real" and "Sweet" and "Cuddly" to me. Of course this is all entirely subjective. But my sense of it is that there is something about their Inner Natures that appeals to me above all else . (And it may be that you are absolutely correct to call this "Uncommonly Uncommon Beauty", in which case my standards are far too high, and I am doomed to wander the Earth forever with my Love unrequited )
If we can't find that uncommonly uncommon beauty (for movie purposes, not 'requiting" pursposes), we might still be able to find one who looks outwardly beautiful and can "act" inwardly beautiful. We're talking about someone who can actually 'act" aren't we?
However, there was an intriguing episode of Star Trek Classic (Kirk et al) called Mirror Mirror wherein our erstwhile Heroes are trapped in a Vicious Parallel Universe. They were easily able to be pretend to be as violent as their counterparts long enough to figure out how to get back.
Meanwhile, their Brutish Doppelgangers were busy making asses of themselves in "our" verse. The moral of the story was that it was easier for those with inner beauty to act ugly than it was for those with inner ugliness to act beautiful. My personal experiences have led me to believe this is largely true.
It seems we are back to square one. We need to find someone who is beautiful both inside and out, can act with genius, and seem quite old (in some ways) while looking (and seeming) young at the same time.
Emma seems nice.... and Natalie too. Both seem to be real possibles for Luthien. They're my favorites at the moment. Who else?
*Or maybe just the Church; I don't know if the Bible prescribes giving things up during Lent.
([i:md11r87k]Lone Lady?[/i:md11r87k] I'm now imagining an Outlaw Elf fighting against the sexist oppression of people like you and GB, Eldo - and other evil misshapen creatures too, of course. [i:md11r87k]The Lone Lady[/i:md11r87k]! It would make a great T.v. show, i think )
And I've missed alot! I need some catching up...
Welcome back. We missed you too, as I'm sure you can see.
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it's not the best picture, but everytime I read Beren and Luthien, Collin Farrell as John Smith comes to mind..