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How about Ron Perlman for Morgoth?
Must look up this Ron Perlman chap!

Tinuviel, I actually think we're saying the same thing. (Which means we're progressing, I do believe!)

Odo
That's good Odo! Good indeed. And Ron Perlman played Hell Boy I guess. He's familiar with Del Torro
Thanks Tinuviel.

Sudden thought. How is 'Tinuviel' pronounced?

Odo
I believe its Tin oo vee el. Not Tin oo vI el...
Why do u ask?
I was thinking about our scene where Beren calls Luthien 'Tinuviel.' How might it sound? What emotional impact might it's mere enunciation have on our audience? Tin oo vee el ... Beren calls it out. Will have to be very careful how that's done.

Odo
Actually, I am occasionally an amateur philologist (with an emphasis on amateur <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> ). But I double-checked on several other websites and forums, and that seems to be the consensus.

By the way, I found a site called the Tolkien Forum which had a thread running last year called Beren and Luthien: The Movie :o <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . It looks like we're not the first to have a whack at this :P :mrgreen: .

[b:1c6ujano]GB[/b:1c6ujano]
I'm pretty positive it's Ti noo vee el, with the accent on the second syllable.

[b:25j4mgzn]GB[/b:25j4mgzn]
We possibly need a linguist!

Odo
Your philological talents may yet be utilized, GB!

As to what other forums have tried to do in the past: check BEREN AND LUTHIEN (ADAPTATION) for my pithy response!

Odo
I had a thought. WHat about Jeremy Irons as Barahir? He has that fatherly touch I guess...
Jeremy would probably make a great veteran warrior - and honorable. I could imagine Finrod Felagund liking a guy like him.

Actually, I've formed quite an affection for Finrod. He seems very down to earth - for an elf at least! Just thought of something interesting - Finrod forsook immortality because of his love for a mortal! Now, who could play him?

Odo
Well, it would be good for Mr Irons to appear in a GOOD Fantasy film after the disaster of Eragon <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . He was the one bright spot in that film.

[b:26ccmc3d]GB[/b:26ccmc3d]
I read about a hundred pages of Eragon and stopped. Though a clearly young writer having a crack - and being good enough to be commercially successful, one can't knock that - I just find the writing unexciting and the story flimsy! I guess Ive been spoiled by reading quality fantasies like TH, LOTR, TWW, Narnia, Waterhip Down and Jack Vance stuff, Wuthering Heights etc...

And the film looks plain dull!

But Jeremy Irons would have been good. Cream always rises to the top.

Odo
Finrod should stay an elf I think, and keep his immortality. We don't want to clog the story of Lutien and Beren with another Love story that doesn't occur during this time period. But I do think that he should favor mortals over his own kind, or at least have a gaining interest in them. I think also he should look more mortally as well, just to show that he's a little different also...
And when I was younger, I refused to read it because it was called ERagon, which for me was WAY too close to Aragorn. And I still wont read it, I'm not all too sure why..
What about the two brothers? who should play them?
I have no ideas for Celegorm or Curufin yet.

As to Finrod losing his Immortality, I was trying to be a bit witty. As usual, I've fallen on my face!

What I was getting at was that Finrod loved Beren (in a platonic way) and so when Finrod is killed by the werewolf he thus gives up his life (and Immortality!) for him.

I certainly hope you don't think I was suggesting Finrod have a romance with Beren - that would not seem very appropriate! Not only would T be quite taken aback by the idea, I'm sure, but Luthien wouldn't be pleased either! :lol:

Is there any chance you might be mixing Finrod Felagund up with someone else? :|

Maybe I was a little hard on Eragon - but I really did not warm to it...

Odo
Goodness NO! i wasn't suggesting that at all! :lol: :oops: No no, but way to go out on a limb <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> But I understand what you mean. Now its hard to show an intimate relationship like that without someone thinking thery're gay, which is SO IMMATURE!!!!! I'm not sure if its strickly an american thing, but Its very annoying here!
And I didn't warm up to it either...
Okay, I've created a new thread in the Tolkien sub-forum: Lord of the Rings Humour: Parodies and Satires and shifted the last few posts there.

[b:ddpwbty5]GB[/b:ddpwbty5]
You are a clever Beard, haven't I always said so?

Now we can get back on track.

How about Tom Cruise as a weedy hobgoblin? He could jump around brandishing a scimitar - just before Beren cuts him into mincemeat... :twisted:

Hey! We could even save some money on prosthetics! <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

Hey! What about Nicole Kidman for Luthien? Then she could cut that hobgoblin into incy wincy bits. Could be very realistic...! 8-)

Odo
You know, Tom Cruise is quite a good actor...despite his extracurricular activities <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . But apparently he can't do accents. His American Accented SS officer was so disconcerting in the previews for Valkyrie it totally put me off seeing it. So No Orc for him.

Personally I liked the Pythonish sounding Orcs in Jackson's films. Then a little while ago I saw an article on the BBC site about Michael Caine. Think we can find a role for Michael "Me 'and, it's me Bloody 'and" Caine? :lol: Come to think of it, as he's already played a handless bloke decades ago, he has the experience to play Barahir :P .

Okay, probably not :roll: . And B&L is probably too serious for a couple of comic relief Orcs.

By the way, Nicole Kidman is good I'll grant you, but I think she's a bit too icy and sharp looking to be Luthien. She might be brilliant as Luthien's mother though.

[b:tn06tum6]GB[/b:tn06tum6]
Now you've got me wondering what Melian would look like!

Nicole could cetainly pull off any acting role (and come over to my place whenever she wanted to for that matter, not even my own wife could blame me for that, surely! I'm only human... Where was I...? Oh yes....)

Would Melian be dark of hair, I wonder?

Odo
More than likely. or extremely light of hair. I don't think tho that she and Tinuviel should look the same, yet they should share that uncommon beauty...
You know, if only uncommon beauty was just that little bit more common, our task would be made easier! :lol:

Odo
Well there are a LOT of stunning young starlets, it's not "how beautiful are they", it's "how beautiful can they act" <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . As we have discussed earlier, it's the Inner Beauty that makes the Outer Beauty "uncommon".

It's like Tyler's and Portman's ability to convey vulnerability and strength and passion and compassion all at once that sucks us in and makes their Outer Beauty Radiate from the Screen.

In any case, I can't believe I've only just thought of this, but I think Emma Watson (Hermione) is just such a young actress. If I were young Beren, I would be utterly distracted from Orc Slaying if I came across her in the Wilderness <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> :oops: :mrgreen: .

[b:1e1ib0w3]GB[/b:1e1ib0w3]
Hermione, you say! Then me and Beren both! (Her relationship with Ron is the best thing about the Harry movies as far as I'm concerned. But that's another story altogether!) Hey! Emma already has magic powers. We'll save time on training!

I'm not fully convinced with your argument about 'uncommon beauty' though. I've seen some absolutely beautiful women who did not appear to have any inner beauty at all. In fact, there have been some women of uncommon beauty who have been proven to be, in fact, extremely common! But that's another story altogether!

I think when you refer to Inner Beauty and Outer Beauty coming together in the one package, you're actually referring to uncommonly uncommon beauty. Anyone could make that mistake! :ugeek:
I like the Gist of Uncommonly Uncommon Beauty Odo 8-) .

But the reason I feel as I do, is that many women that light the fires of billions of men the world over do almost nothing for me, including such popular "Hotties" as Nicole Kidman and Angelina Jolie, both fine actresses in their own right, and both seem quite good natured off-screen too. But there is something a bit "Sharp" and "Unattainable" about them (of course they all are for me :roll: :lol: ).

But others like Tyler, Portman, and Watson (and a few others whose names I forget at the moment) have a down-to-earth quality about them. They seem "Real" and "Sweet" and "Cuddly" to me. Of course this is all entirely subjective. But my sense of it is that there is something about their Inner Natures that appeals to me above all else :mrgreen: . (And it may be that you are absolutely correct to call this "Uncommonly Uncommon Beauty", in which case my standards are far too high, and I am doomed to wander the Earth forever with my Love unrequited :cry: :ugeek: )

[b:2qsy1x7s]GB[/b:2qsy1x7s]
You could always jump from hottie to hottie like a cat on a hot-babe roof. Eventually you might find an uncommonly uncommon hottie of uncommonly uncommon beauty. And even if you don't... well, jumping from hottie to hottie for awhile surely wouldn't be all that bad, would it? At least you wouldn't be wandering the earth absolutely aimlessly!

If we can't find that uncommonly uncommon beauty (for movie purposes, not 'requiting" pursposes), we might still be able to find one who looks outwardly beautiful and can "act" inwardly beautiful. We're talking about someone who can actually 'act" aren't we?

Odo
Indeed we are Odo, indeed we are.

However, there was an intriguing episode of Star Trek Classic (Kirk et al) called Mirror Mirror wherein our erstwhile Heroes are trapped in a Vicious Parallel Universe. They were easily able to be pretend to be as violent as their counterparts long enough to figure out how to get back.

Meanwhile, their Brutish Doppelgangers were busy making asses of themselves in "our" verse. The moral of the story was that it was easier for those with inner beauty to act ugly than it was for those with inner ugliness to act beautiful. My personal experiences have led me to believe this is largely true.
I like the Emma Watson idea. She does have that elvish look doesnt she? and I agree with you GB and your star trek philosophy :mrgreen: But i especially like the idea of Watson being Luthien; she's young, pure hearted, and beautiful (so is Lutien to an extent...) But most importantly she should look very young! I think that the younger she is the more immortal she'll look.
Isn't it amazing how we keep slipping from the sublime to the ridiculous, with me, I'm sad to admit, possessing the biggest slice of the ridiculous! You're both right, of course! If the Star Trek writers don't hold the answers, who does?

It seems we are back to square one. We need to find someone who is beautiful both inside and out, can act with genius, and seem quite old (in some ways) while looking (and seeming) young at the same time.

Emma seems nice.... and Natalie too. Both seem to be real possibles for Luthien. They're my favorites at the moment. Who else?

Odo
Alexis Bledel? she was in Gilmore girls and sisterhood of the traveling pants...
I saw this thread and sighed... I miss you Tin. Is it 40 days yet?
40 days lost in the Wilderness :cry: .

[b:2vzga67j]GB[/b:2vzga67j]
Easter is in only a few days now. We may see here again within the week!
I think it quite wrong of God to keep her away so long, don't you? <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' />
Without wanting to start a theological discussion, I think God* seems rather selfish to want people to give up things that make them (and, in cases like this, other people) happy. :?

*Or maybe just the Church; I don't know if the Bible prescribes giving things up during Lent.
I don't mind God - a personal thing that - but I'm not keen on religion. Especially, if it keeps Tin away. She's such a ray of sunshine, and, by all accounts, she has a cute button nose - even if she's too bashful to say so herself. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
Well, Easter is tomorrow! So she'll hopefully be back quite soon. :mrgreen:
With Fimbrethil and Lady Legolas about, she'll not be the Lone Lady anymore - so you and GB and Mr Tyrant won't be able to boss her around anymore. She'll have feminine back up.

([i:md11r87k]Lone Lady?[/i:md11r87k] I'm now imagining an Outlaw Elf fighting against the sexist oppression of people like you and GB, Eldo - and other evil misshapen creatures too, of course. [i:md11r87k]The Lone Lady[/i:md11r87k]! It would make a great T.v. show, i think 8-) )
I sometimes think we could use more ladies on the forum. With you, GB, and me making so many posts I feel like we're just a bunch of schoolboys goofing off most of the time. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Maybe some other posting attitudes would be refreshing.
Providing those refreshing posts are [i:3qdlr65r]respectable[/i:3qdlr65r], and providing the ladies know what their [i:3qdlr65r]place [/i:3qdlr65r]on this forum is, I see no problem with that! (I wonder how good they are at seedcake baking, and how carefully they wash cutlery and plates?)
Goofing off indeed. It's time I cracked the Topic Whip :x !

[b:3t9vum1m]GB[/b:3t9vum1m]
I"M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I've missed alot! I need some catching up...
YOOOOOOOOOOOU!!! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Welcome back. :mrgreen: We missed you too, as I'm sure you can see. :P
I've baked a cake to celebrate your return, Tin (very liberated of me I thought), but I can't find a way to send it through the internet, so I'm eating it in your honour! :mrgreen:
Thank you Odo <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> I have alot of catching up to do! Its good to see I was missed <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Might I suggest you change to a less strict Religion. Perhaps one that openly supports the Hobbit Movie News Forum. That way I won't ever have to feel forum-separation ever ever again! :ugeek:
YAAAAAAY! :mrgreen: Tinny's back! Good to have you back Tinuviel.

[b:1ts2qgt7]GB[/b:1ts2qgt7]
just because i feel some need to do this, this is how I picture Beren.
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2005_Th ... ld_001.jpg
it's not the best picture, but everytime I read Beren and Luthien, Collin Farrell as John Smith comes to mind.. :mrgreen:
There seems to be a problem with your link Tinuviel. Maybe you can find another copy of the image through Google images and post that, then highlight the url and click the Img button at the top of your reply box.

[b:3eo62avo]GB[/b:3eo62avo]
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