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OK from the book it surely will be the Whitch King!!

The scen at Amon Sl was pathetic thos nazgul were so whimpie and.. ooh... gosh brave aragorn defeated them it's one of the scene that were better to leave out then PJ had made them ...

But as in the movie Saruman really kicks Whimpie Gandlafs arse!!
book Witch King is definitely scarier...but movie Saruman was pretty good too. The Witch King is scarier in a pure evil sort of freeze-your-heart kind of way, while Saruman is scary in a treacherous stab-you-in-the-back-when-you're-not-looking manner...
The Witch king in the movie might scare you if you're a particularly nervous 3 year old, but otherwise, nope. And while Christopher Lee is one of the scariest men alive, I'm afraid he has yet to be scary in these movies. The scariest thing for me was how they expected to get away with those crappy effects on the "world of the Ringwraiths" sequences, and "big scary Galadriel" bit.
I thought CL was scary just by breathing on screen. Didn't like the wrestling match, too undignified, but his voice really spooked me out. There's something solidly evil about him.

Agree with you & Boring about movie Witch King, what a wimp. A great disappointment, some of my mates said that the Bakshi Nazghul are scarier. I haven't seen Bakshi's FotR so I wouldn't know. Smile Smilie
I agree on the Witch King, not too scary, rather disappointing. I did like the Nazgul's horses, though. Those fellas looked much meaner than their riders (I would be too, if I were covered in oil and had nails in my feet. What was with the oil?). And I kinda liked the screechy noises the Nazgul made. They sounded rather like evil industrial musicians (Trent Reznor of Death!).

Christopher Lee, though. I'm sure he's a very nice man in person, but no matter who he plays on screen, he scares me (in a good way!). Too bad about the fight scene, but he still had enough creepy style to be nicely evil.
Neither were very scary.

The scariest was Bilbo when Frodo showed him the ring. :o

Because I don't practice what I preach; don't do what I do, do what I say. Wink Smilie

Now you can continue with your topic. Smile Smilie

Muchly agreed Grondy.
And Bakshi's Nazgul were a whole lot more scary, especially vocally, or maybe it's just because I was younger then.....
Yep Grondy - Bilibo at that scene. Just briefly, but gosh it lasted to see that scene.
I thought the Nazgul were pretty scary
THe shadow world as seen by frodo when he puts on the ring is better done by baksy then PJ and the Nazgul are pretty scary and very good done by PJ but he f*cks-up at the amon sl scene
Agree, Bilbo was scary. And I hate to say this, but they could have made the Amon Sul scene more realistic by having, say, Arwen ride up with reinforcements? Then have her speed Frodo away immediately while being pursued by the remaining 4 or 5 Nazghul?

D*mn! Can't believe I said that. Forget it.
ah HA!! Too late to forget it, I'm afraid! I've read it now and never will I forget that someone other than myself, Ungoliant no less (!), suggested adding an Arwen scene!! Noooo takebacks, my friend, and noooo claiming you were, oh, sleep-deprived or drunk or thinking of a different character and not Arwen at all. Because I've already told the Great Priestess of the Cult of Xenarwen that there may be a new member who wants more of Liv with a Sword. Arwen triumphs at Helm's Deep! Arwen pushes Eowyn out of the way and kills the Witch King! Arwen grabs Frodo in one hand, Gollum in the other and tosses both (One Ring included) into the fires of Doom! Ah ha haaaa!

Wow, isn't that scary thought. Much scarier than any Nazgul. I don't think even I'd go that far. No hate mail, please, I take it back. Big Smile Smilie
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I've already told the Great Priestess of the Cult of Xenarwen that there may be a new member who wants more of Liv with a Sword. Arwen triumphs at Helm's Deep! Arwen pushes Eowyn out of the way and kills the Witch King! Arwen grabs Frodo in one hand, Gollum in the other and tosses both (One Ring included) into the fires of Doom! Ah ha haaaa!


hmmmmmmm

I've decided Jehanne is scarier Wink Smilie
I want to see Arwen chuck Frodo and Gollum into the cracks of doom (could she kick Sam in as well, just for luck?) that would be marvellous.
"I love the smell of toasty Hobbits in the morning"
Oh no! Too late! :o

I thought of sneaking back Gollum-like to quietly erase my Arwen comments...d*mn! I'll never live this down now!

Oh nooo...I can feel the call of the Great Priestess off Xenarwen...help I can't resist....I want to see Arwen kill the Witch King too! No I don't! aaaurgh...I want to see Arwen lead the Scouring of the Shire, the Battle at Pelennor Fields, shove Frodo. Sam & Gollum into Mt. Doom, rescue Gwaihir when he gets choked up by the ash, rescue Faramir from the Black Breath, stab Shelob, marry herself and get on the last ship! Help!

[Edited on 31/1/2002 by Ungoliant]
lol... but is marrying herself really a necessity??

I don't want such a soggy end
For myself I would also like to see more of Arwen - carrying sword, pushing Frodo, Sam and Gollum whatever.
Here's a scary thought. How about handing pink slips to all the actors except Liv Tyler and have her play all the characters. Then you can have your cake and eat it as they say. And at Helm's Deep we can even have five thousand computer generated Liv Tyler orcs swarming over the Dike being confronted by a hundred Liv Tyler Huorns. And before that the Liv Tyler Hobbits, Merry and Pippin can sit on the Liv Tyler Treebeard's shoulders as the head for the Entmoot. Scccaaaarrrrryyyyy!!!

hmmmm.....

I wonder if there are enough fifteen-year-old boys in the world to make that profitable...
Doubt it...but don't forget the awesome power of the Great Priestess of Xenarwen. Wink Smilie

Phew, watched the movie again & managed rekindle my hatred for Arwen Tyler. Long live Glorfindel!
OH! You guys are very sick, Ungoliant how could you even think up such a scarry thing I won't sleep for a month. God I hope PJ does'nt read this forum. lol Seriously I think the scariest character had to be the patrons of the Prancing Pony. Some of those guys where as ugly or uglier then my mother-in-law and believe me she is ugly. They made my skin crawl. If the Nazgul had gotten there any sooner they would have turned and ran. lol
Big Smile Smilie
Er...I was temporarily under the spell of the evil Priestess of Xenarwen?

I forgot about the Prancing Pony blokes, you're right, they were ugly! Gosh, I hope your wife got her looks from her dad, jgpoole! Big Smile Smilie

But I still think that Saruman was scary, maybe it's his voice. And I'm half hoping that they will kill him off in TTT since I don't want to see such a regal figure turn into a desperate loser like Sharkey. Poor guy.
darn!
can't believe i've been missing out for so long on this forum! gotten too lazy ever since school started. Big Smile Smilie

i love Christopher Lee's voice! sounds like he's swallowed a microphone or something, but didn't think he was all that scary. Lurtz wasn't all that scary either. neither was the witch king. Bilbo kinda made me jump in my seat cos i wasn't really expecting THAT.

the prancing pony blokes...ehhhheeehhhh
*shudder*
have they ever even heard of 'exfoliating'?
did you see the size of the pores on their skin? gross! not really scary, just made me want to whip out my cleanser.
And the funniest or should I say "Scariest" thing about the guys in the Prancing Pony in the fact that they are all extra's and they live in NZ...and now NZ is promoting more tourism. I don't think I want to go wondering around a country that has people like that poking around every corner. lol :o
And I was planning to go to NZ for my holidays this year! :o

Ah well, there's always the sheep. Wink Smilie
Ok. Silly question here: who was the Witch King and where did he appear? I read sth about it in the book, but I must have missed it in the movie. Until I know, the Nazgul were pretty scary, Saruman was quite a bit scary, and Bilbo was scariest. Big Smile Smilie
Which king is the Witch-King? she asks.

The Witch-King of Angmar is the Chief of the Nazgul, the Lord of the Nazgul.
Oooh. You could have called it that in the first place... Big Smile Smilie
Btw, I did some research and I found sth on the Nazgul's voices. It's when the Gaffer tells Sam about his meeting with what would later turn out to be a Black Rider.

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There's been a strange customer asking for Mr. Baggins of Bag End, and he's only just gone. I've sent him on to Bucklebury. Not that I liked the sound of him. He seemed mighty put out, when I told him Mr. Baggins had left his old home for good. Hissed at me, he did. It gave me quite a shudder .


From LOTR/FotR/Book I, chapter 3, p. 89

And sth else, when Farmer Maggot tells the hobbits of his encounter with a Black Rider:

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I didn't like the looks of him; and when Grip came out, he took one sniff and let out a yelp as if he had been stung: he put down his tail and bolted off howling. /.../ "Have you seen Baggins?" he asked in a queer voice, and bent down towards me. I could not see any face, for his hood fell down so low; and I felt a sort of shiver down my back. /.../ He gave a sort of hiss. It might have been laughing, and it might not. /.../


From LOTR/FotR/Book I, chapter 4, p. 109

So the Riders did have a hiss in their voices, from all I can conclude. And dogs were afraid of them. That's two issues solved then. Big Smile Smilie But Bilbo going Gollumish is still the scariest bit in the movie to me. Smile Smilie
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Saruman or the Witch King?
Neither, my ex-boyfriend is worse than the pair of them put together. Only Kidding:P
I think the Witch King is scaryer, Saruman's only been evil for a little while so Witch King's had more practis at being evil. Big Smile Smilie
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How about handing pink slips to all the actors except Liv Tyler and have her play all the characters. Then you can have your cake and eat it as they say. And at Helm's Deep we can even have five thousand computer generated Liv Tyler orcs swarming over the Dike being confronted by a hundred Liv Tyler Huorns. And before that the Liv Tyler Hobbits, Merry and Pippin can sit on the Liv Tyler Treebeard's shoulders as the head for the Entmoot.

EEK.
Not a good idea, then, chika?
there's another topic somewhere where I think I whined quite a lot about them adding in Arwen bits for Liv Tyler...don't like her at all.
Naah. She wasn't that great was she? She was ok, nothing more.

The Witch King is definately scarier! I mean if you're going in for pure terror its the Witch King all the way. If Saruman is going to betray you he'd at least sit you down and feed you first, and maybe tempt you in the ways of the dark side.....hang on, different story.............
Liv was deeply irritating! Bring back Glorfindel!!!!!
and as for casting her as every character...would make agreat David Lynch movie... It'd be also like "being John Malkovitch" *shudder*
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Phew, watched the movie again & managed rekindle my hatred for Arwen Tyler. Long live Glorfindel!

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THe shadow world as seen by frodo when he puts on the ring is better done by baksy then PJ and the Nazgul are pretty scary and very good done by PJ but he f*cks-up at the amon sl scene

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The scen at Amon Sl was pathetic thos nazgul were so whimpie and.. ooh... gosh brave aragorn defeated them it's one of the scene that were better to leave out then PJ had made them ...

Hmmmm...this is interesting. I get the imperssion that you all were not exactly thrilled by FotR.
I thought everything was done as well as could be expected. I mean really, the book is always better. It would be impossible to recreate scene for scene and word for word all of LotR. Granted, some of the changes were disappointing, such as the omission of the old forest and Tom Bombadil, and the whole barrow downs scene. But if something had to go, better all of that then anything else! Every scene that was included was essential to the story where as the old forest and the barrow downs were mere filler. Sure, they were entertaining in the book but they would have seemed awkward and unimportant in the film. Besides, if they had included everything, the film would have been 5 hours long! Sleeping Smilie

As for Liv Tyler, I was pleasantly surprised by her portrayal of Arwen. I thought the added scenes were negligible and actually added somewhat to the adaption. To include Glorfindel would have meant even more exposition, and right before the council of Elrond! It would have slowed the film down too much and would have made the council scene a little awkward.
I also thought the effects were incredible. In fact, I thought the "shadow world" effect was perfect! And the Balrog was amazing, almost precisely how I pictured it.

I knew some people wouldn't be satisfied but I thought you guys liked the movie though I'm not sure where I got that idea. Anyway, it could have been SOOOOOOO much worse. Am i being the devils advocate here? Actually I'm just trying to get your overall thoughts on the subject.

Well, feel free to pick apart my asessment. And if I misunderstood your opinions of the film please correct me.

Oh yeah, my vote is for the witch king, in the book and the movie. Christopher Lee is pretty scary too. Actually, their faces kinda looked the same...
Heh! My opinion of the Movie differs depending on what mood I'm in. But then I haven't seen it since last year now, as I only just got a new Pirate dealer and it doesn't seem worth getting it for a month when the VHS/DVD is out anyway. I reckon I'll be a lot happier with it when the EXTENDED version comes out in November, can't wait, really I can't, it might finally make sense properly.
I'm happy with the movie; its just that it couldn't be all things to all people, including me. I might not even be completely satisfied were they to open a new three hour movie every six months based on each of the six books. Then we get into the issue of PJ's character casting ... Tongue Smilie Very Big Grin Smilie

All in all, I'm happier that PJ made the movie, than if he hadn't. I have ordered the DVD and must now buy a player with which to view it. Smile Smilie
I really can't say, probably Christopher Lee, but that one scene with Galadriel totally freaked out my 12 yr old cousin! Very Sad Smilie (No idea why he was watching it)

[Edited on 27/8/2002 by ladyoflegolas]
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I knew some people wouldn't be satisfied but I thought you guys liked the movie though I'm not sure where I got that idea.


Well Proggers, I hated the movie because it was too corny and PJ fell for the pc bollocks pro-Arwen camp & deleted Glorfindel. Dunno which one I hated most - the d*mn Xenarwen character or the sappy book version. Plus there's no Bombadil. Grr... Mad Smilie

On the other hand, because it was a LotR movie, and I've been waiting for years for one, I'm stuck with loving it. Sad Smilie
But it is so very pretty looking...
Well, I agree with Ungoliant about having poor Glorfindel and Bombadill excluded, but then again the movie would be too long with Bombadill, wouldn't it?
And if they did put Bombadill in, it wouldn't have enough effect, because it would probably be stuffed into 5 - 10 minutes.

Just my opinion... Wink Smilie
Well, they could have made it in to a 5 hour movie, couldn't they?

Although 5 minutes would've been enough had PJ contacted us. I believe Boring wrote an excellent minimalist script for Tom a while back.
I, for one wouldn't have complained if it was 5 hours long but then we devoted fanboys/girls would have been the only ones going to see it. I don't care how "ergonimic" a theater seat is, 5 hours = a numb a$$
Ok, maybe 5 hours is a bit too much. But they could have a break in between.

But Tommy didn't have to have a large part at all. He could just turn up, rescue the Hobbits when they were being chased by the Nazghul, explained to them that he couldn't leave his lands, escorted them to his borders & waved goodbye. Pretty much what Boring wrote in his script (Damn! Can't find it anywhere, maybe we lost it when we moved the last time). Less than 10 minutes worth of screentime I reckon.

And there's no excuse for leaving out Glorfindel either. D*mn that Tyler woman!
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Ok, maybe 5 hours is a bit too much. But they could have a break in between.

Ha Ha Ha Smilie

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Less than 10 minutes worth of screentime I reckon.

Well, must say you're right here, Ungoliant.

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And there's no excuse for leaving out Glorfindel either. D*mn that Tyler woman!

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Was I the only one scared when Gandalf confronts Bilbo and tells him not to take him for some conjuror of cheap tricks? That's scary, scarier than evil, is his power, his wisdom, I don't know, maybe I just respect him too much, he's definetly the best, the most powerful, he just rules, and him mad... that's really scary. I'm still wondering why bilbo din't pis or something. Also, Sauron, in the first scene, was pretty scary too.
About Arwen.... what can I say, didn't like her at all, maybe a more powerful actress would've justified the scene, but she's just good, she's no Cate Blanchett.
Some of the posts are pretty scary too!!! Big Smile Smilie
Yes, that scene when gandalf got mad at Bilbo scared me too. I would hate to have him mad at me, that is for sure.
Yeah, Gandalf was pretty p***ed off, but nothing takes the cake like the "Bilbo Demonface" scene in Rivendell. Super Scared Smilie That was just uncalled for.

[Edited on 9/6/2002 by ProgHead777]
From the book:
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Gandalfs eyes flashed. It will be my turn to get angry soon, he said, If you say that again, I shall.
Then you will see Gandalf the Grey uncloaked. He took a step towards the hobbit, and he seemed to grow tall and menacing: his shadow filled the little room.


I would say Biblo would be a little frightened to see this side of Gandalf.

I could not find Bilbo's strange reaction to the ring at Rivendell in the book. Has anyone found reference to that or was that part of PJ's creative license?


[Edited on 7/9/2002 by Grondmaster]
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