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In a word... breathtaking! Tongue Smilie

I thought the FOTR was a visual spectacular, but this is more epic, more dramatic, more exciting, just MORE!!!

As reviewers have been saying already Gollum steals the show. Jackson develops his schizophrenic nature, and he skips between a bitter twisted freak obsessed with the ring, and a pituful lonely sometimes even cute creature. There is great character interaction in this thread of the story with the suspicious Sam and the more sympathetic Frodo- who sees shadows of himself in Gollum. There are also some great set pieces in this section, at the Black Gate and involving the winged Nazgul. Some of the changes to Faramir I wasn't so sure of though.

Over in Rohan Gandalf makes a spectacular return, and Jackson has some fun playing with the identity of the white wizards. I have heard some complaints about the part where Aragon dreams of Arwen, but I thought some romance worked well in the (pretty relentless) battle sequences. Gimili gets to be the funny sidekick, and pulls in off very well (although is rather too overtly Scottish!) Legolas is too smug by half, but gets some great fighting in. Of the newcomers Theoden is played well, and Wormtongue is creepy, but a bit too melodramatic.

And then there's Helms Deep... AMAZING!!!

The only real let down is the Merry and Pippen part. The ents are decent, but in a film of world beating special effects they're not quite up there. It's made a bit worse by cutting in during the Helms Deep battle. But thankfully their part is rescued with a fantastic march of the ents on Isengard. The shot when they burst the dam, flooding Isengard and drowning helpless orcs while the ents stand firm, all watched by an incredulous Saruman from Orthanc is one of the films highlights.

Bring on Return of the King! Big Smile Smilie
Those of you who do and have seen the film, please don't forget to write-up a review of it for us here:

http://www.planet-tolkien.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=TwoTowersReview&file=index

Thanks Smile Smilie
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT: Do not read! Big Laugh Smilie

One of the things I've found lacking in most of todays films is a sense of awe. Not since Jurassic park has a film made me stop and just say "Whoa!"

The Two Towers starts with Gandalf's battle with Durin's Bane. After a very brief recap of what occurred on the Bridge of Khazad-dum in Fellowship of the Ring, we see Gandalf fall into the chasm, only this time we follow him in his descent where he (a bit unrealistically, perhaps) catches up with the Balrog. They then proceed to fight while still in freefall. While it sounds corny it actually works very well. The special effects in this sequence are stunning... but only the beginning...

After this we join Sam and Frodo in the midst of Emyn Muil and are soon introduced to the REAL star of The Two Towers: Gollum. While he is far from the first completely computer generated character to be seen on film, he unquestionably sets a new standard. His movements, expressions and overall appearance are so life-like it's disturbing. You've never seen such a wretched creature. The schizophrenic bickering betweem Gollum and Smeagol could be Oscar worthy.

Don't get me wrong, there are moments when he is clearly a CG character, but most times he truly looks like a living breathing creature. My only complaint is his voice. While he sounds just like you would expect Gollum to sound, with the raspy gurgling "gollums" (sounds suspiciously like a cat yacking on a furrball) and Gollumish mannerisms, this makes him a little difficult to understand at times.

The following sequences with Man, Elf and Dwarf tracking Uruk-hai and Hobbits is portrayed pretty close to the book.

We then meet Treebeard. Wow! I have to say, the Ents looked quite different from how I pictured them, but the difference is an improvement. Very tall and gangly with VERY long legs. Some may not like the look of the Ents but I thought they were fantastic. As with Gollum, Treebeard's raspy, booming voice can be a bit difficult to understand. You'll hardly recognize it as John Rhys-Davies.

Our next close encounter of the Tolkien kind is with Wargs. They look a great deal like giant hyenas, but without the sense of humor. They're huge and ferocious and nasty and a welcome site on screen.

At this point, things start to deviate from the book. I won't go into what's different because... well, because I don't want to. And because I don't have the time! I have to go to work Big Laugh Smilie I'll post the second half of my review sometime tomorrow...
we likes it.. yesss precious... yessessss wessss didddd...
I just got back...I liked it very much Big Smile Smilie Better than the first one, I thought. More to come later, but now it's 2am and I want to go to bed...
More Spoilers, do not read (except for ross, read the first line mate.)

For God's Sake! Don't let Ross see this Movie ever, he'll blow a gasket or something.

Now in my opinion, the last thing LOTR needs is yet another guy refusing to stay dead, but we've got two more of them here. Oh well...

At least I got to cheer as Haldir copped it nicely. That made me very happy. As did "extreme sports" Legolas. And Gollum and Gimli have taken over as comic relief as Merry and Pippin get deep and serious (who knew Merry had such an extensive knowledge of history? Or such a social conscience?).

Thank god Pete Jackson has done something with what would be book 4, as "Sam Frodo and Gollum walked a bit further, and then ate, and then slept" gets boring enough in the book, let alone on screen.

There are a lot of major changes, and thousands of little minor ones, too many to point out here. But the one that niggled me was that Merry and Pippin didn't sit on the edge of the battle and have a snack (under the eaves of
Fangorn). It would have been nice to hear Aragorn, in the midst of his retracing of their terrible adventures "and then they stopped and had some biscuits".

Sam fails to die on many occasions (BOO)(though Frodo does give him a few good ear-bashings and beats the heck out of him at one point, GO FRODO!).

I liked it, as this time I was expecting it to be totally different from the book. Great movie, shame about the cacky lovey stuff but there you go.

Can't be bothered to write a lengthy discourse on it, as there's way too much to go into, and I can't remember everything. However as I've said elsewhere, if you like Faramir, avoid this like the plague, he's a total ******* in this, and fails to show his "quality" at all. Oh well.

Oh, btw, is it only me, or does everyone else come out of the theatre doing the slanty Aragorn walk? (teach me to go out in a big long coat won't it?)
I hope they didn't change Faramir too much... Wink Smilie
I really liked the movie, I thought it was great! Gollum was one of the best parts!

The only thing I didn't like was how the Elves seem to be leaving everyone to their fate and not caring anymore.
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That is not true, because in the movie, Galadriel convinced Elrond to not abandon the humans. He sent the elf army led by Haldir to Helms Deep. This shows that they are not giving up on their old alliegance.


Thanks Anilorak. Wink Smilie I had to leave the show for a few minutes to get my coke so I guessed I missed it then.
Awesome.
UTTER AND COMPLETE RAMBLING AHEAD:

Sam should have killed Gollum as soon as they left the Marshes ... Sam is always right - no one listens to him...

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I did like the part where Frodo tries to slice open Sam's gullet - I thought it was appropriate to show just how far the ring was taking Frodo. And Sam wrestling Frodo to keep him from putting on the ring - that was great. And I hope they show Frodo telling Sam he can't keep his hands off the ring - and Sam holding his hands (looks like they are setting that up) - but they didn't do as much with the "weight " of the ring - so I'm wondering if they will have Sam carrying Frodo in ROTK - or even if Sam will bear the ring (what do you think?)

POH - TAY - TOES

Frodo had far too mcuh pitty for Gollum - Gollum was right - MURDERER. Frodo was not a liar, a cheater and a murderer. Frodo was redeemable - but Gollum was not -

The look in Sam's eyes were great "NO FRODO!" he begged - he *knew* ... at least he wasn't the troll from Bashki!

and the one arrow thing was a bit wonky - but by then I was "what the hell... they are in Gondor and this whole plot is now wonky."

YAAAAAAAAAY Sam!

[Edited on 12/21/2002 by swampfaye]
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but they didn't do as much with the "weight " of the ring - so I'm wondering if they will have Sam carrying Frodo in ROTK - or even if Sam will bear the ring (what do you think?)
That is one thing I am sure about, once they get into Mordor, the closer to Mount Doom the Ring gets, the heavier it will become. The actual build-up in weight should increase inversely to the square of the distance from the Mount. But by pointing this out earlier, the effect of this gradual build-up would be difficult to maintain over both movies.

I expect we will only have verbal statements about the Ring's increasing weight until we reach Carach Angren (the misnamed Isenmouthe) of Udűn, and then we will start to see the effect visually from then on. Anyway, were I making the movie, that's how I would show the increasing effects of the weight.

Sam will have to bear the ring after Shelob's attack, or the jig is up: Sauron would wins. Even Peter Jackson isn't that stupid to delete Frodo's capture and subsequent rescue by Sam, is he?

The above is merely my humble opinion and may not withstand the light of reason nor bear the weight of reality. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I suppose I'll continue my review now. I had planned to wait until I'd seen the film again so that everything would be fresh in my mind. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that is going to happen until after the Christmas so I'm just going to wing it. Just keep in mind that it's been a few days and my recollection of the film may be flawed.

But first, did anyone notice Legolas's super-cool horse mounting stunt during the Warg scene? Very very cool Cool Smilie Cool Smilie Not quite sure how they did that. If it was CGI it was some of the most photorealistic CGI I've ever seen! But I can't figure out any other way they could have pulled that off.

Anyhoo... review part 2.

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT: Do not read!

After the warg scene, one of the most questionable events in the whole movie occurs... Aragorn dies. Or at least, we think he's dead. He washes up a little later looking like a drowned rat and then dreams of Arwen. While I've only seen the film once, and admitedly I wasn't using my critics eye at the time, I can't seem to figure out WHY this change was made. Perhaps it will come to me at a later viewing...

The meeting (and exorcism!) ofTheoden and the subsequent casting out of Wormtongue is done a bit differently but is satisfying none the less. In fact, for movie purposes, it's an improvement.

Sam, Frodo and Gollum's encounter with the mumakil came as a bit of a shock to me. I did not think they were so huge! I knew they were big, especially by Hobbit standards, but these suckers are the size of dinosaurs! Were they that big in the book? I don't remember... That said, they look fantastic and Sam's reaction to them was spot on. I was thrilled to see them.

Now for the biggest controversy in the whole movie: Faramir. He ain't the Faramir we know. At least, he doesn't appear to be. Actually, he's barely in the movie. I think we'll see and learn more of him in RotK. There's still hope.

The detour to Osgiliath bothers me not simply because it's there and shouldn't be but more because it effects your since of scale. PJ's Middle Earth is considerably smaller than Tolkien's. Hints of this pop up elsewhere as well. It seems to take no time at all for Aragorn and Co. to make their way from Fangorn to Edoras. However, this is a minor gripe.

Now I come to my two fave scenes in the film. Helm's Deep and the Ent assault on Isengard. This is where the whoa! factor really comes in. The sheer number of Uruks in Saruman's army is a sight to behold. The detail in each of the CGI fighters is incredible and once the battle begins, it never lets up. Stunning. I was happy that Gimli and Legolas' body count game was included. It's these little nods to the book that, for me at least, make up for the changes. I really wish we saw Gimli's reaction to Aglarond as well... perhaps the extended version.

Now for the pinacle... the Ents at Isengard! I made a reference earlier to Jurrasic Park. When I first saw Jurrassic Park (and indeed, when I read Michael Crichton's book prior to that) I truly felt a since of awe and wonder... like I was seeing something I'd never seen before. The Ent attack gave me that same feeling. While it gets a disappointingly short amount of screentime, it's easily the most awe-inspiring scene in LotR up to this point. The tearing down of the walls and hurling the debris at Orthanc... the breaking of the dam and the ensuing flood...these Ents are some bad mofo's! But really, it defies description.

In fact, the whole movie defies description. Especially by me! While there are some disappointments they are far, far outweighed by the overall majesty of Jackson's creation. I can't help but feel that Tolkien would approve. His biggest problem with the concept of a film adaption was that LotR defied adapting. While PJ's films, thus far, omit and change quite a bit, they are far more elaborate, respectful and visually stunning than Tolkien could ever have imagined.
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But first, did anyone notice Legolas's super-cool horse mounting stunt during the Warg scene? Very very cool

Everyone in the theater cheered when Legolas hopped up on his horse like that...they all went nuts again when he scooted down the stairs at Helm's Deep on a shield Tongue Smilie
Oh, I'd forgotten the added Rohan scenes where we get to see how much the poor little kiddies are suffering *spits* unneccessary, total waste of time, I don't want my heartstrings tugging thanks. That's not what either the books or the movies are about.
And I thought Legolas's horsey thing was a done with wires and bluescreen personally, not CG.
Wow. Some great reviews here folks. If you haven't already, would you post on the Two Towers Reviews on the home page? You can simply copy and paste what you have posted here and give your star rating. That would make it so much easier for everyone to find them.
I saw it yesterday and am going again today. I will post later tonight. Big Smile Smilie
First impresssion: absolutely spectacular!!! Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie
The movie was awesome, I won't go into it too much as everyone else had done it, but am I the only one who is not satisfied with the potrayal of Eowyn? It seemed to me she was either crying Very Sad Smilie or laughing Ha Ha Ha Smilie , and the only true moment of Eowyn that I know was when she was trying her skill with the sword. There was a scene where she let Wormtounge touched her face which I thought was quite ridiculous, especially since she seemed to enjoy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I always imagined Eowyn to be cold, and the only moment she cried was when Aragorn wouldn't let her follow him in RoTK and later when she was with Faramir. Okay, I'm following book too much, but that's what I think anyways. Wink Smilie

[Edited on 23/12/2002 by Naira]
Okay, I finally got to see it today. I think it took several minutes afterward untill I could close my eyes or shut my mouth. It was awesome. A much, much more powerful film than the first one.

My general comments:

Faramir: I thought he was okay. In the book, he was initially tempted by the ring, it was just that the film drew that temptation out a bit, although I thought the Osgiliath part was too much. Why did they need to go there?

Gollum: Fantastic, even if he did look a little superimposed at times. His movement and facial expressions were flawless. The arguments betweent the two sides of his personality were very funny.

Arwen: I am glad she did not appear at Helms Deep, but we are left thinking that she has gone to the undying lands. So what does she do in ROTK? run away to her Aragorn, I suppose. The premonition parts, where we see Aragorn's death, didn't really work for me. Arwen is supposed to die too - not spend eternity wandering the woodlands alone.

Eowyn: I liked her. The falling in love with Aragorn was well done and true to the spirit of the book. The audience could clearly see why she thinks she is in love with him.

Aragorn: Supposed death? Why? Still don't get that part. It doesn't achieve or say anything.

Theoden: Bewitching might have been a little over the top, but once he is 'cured' by Gandalf, I found his character very believable.

Wormtongue: Again a bit over the top. A little bit too repulsive.

Gandalf: Returning from the dead in the nick of time. Who would have guessed?

Haldir: Bad way for an elf to die. I thought that Haldir deserved better than a bump on the head (and for a moment there, I feared we were going to see his brains splatterd everywhere). Still, I suppose PJ was trying to illustrate that even the greatest of warriors can be killed. Anyone else noctice the paralell with Boromir? Tolkien would have approved, I think. I loved the part where Aragorn is so pleased to see him when he arrives, that he startles the elf with a bear hug. Cute.

Gimli: The comic releaf. A bit too much. Poor Gimli! He was so much more than just an amusing side-kick, and deserved a little more. "Toss me, but don't tell the elf" and "Couldn't you have picked a better spot?" were very funny.

Legolas: I can see the Legolas that Chathol-linn so loves to write about, in this movie. The shield surfing was perfect - I could easily imagine him perfecting this skill as a young elf in his father's court. The part where he jumps onto the back of a galloping horse drew gasps from the audience. I missed the part where Legolas fears for Gimli's life. We got to see his concern for almost every other character, but not his best friend. A bit dissapointing. His dispair at Helm's Deep? I must check the book again, because I dont recall it. I don't think that an elf would give up before a human.

Treebeard: Perfect. I have never been sure what Treebeard should look like, until now. Must get me one of those interactive toys.

Saruman: Loved the bits where he runs around in his tower, watching helplessly as his excavations and machines are destroyed.

The Dead Marshes: Very realistic. Was that Gil-Galad's body? But I don't recall Frodo falling in, in the book.

Well, all in all, I enjoyed it immensely. I will write a proper review when I have seen it agian, and can remember more details. Wink Smilie
I think that was a great review by itself Allyssa.

I don't know if that was Gil-Galad's body or not.
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Was that Gil-Galad's body?
PJ may have excercised poetic licence and used a cast of the actor who played Gil-galad for this part just to see who would notice (although the fleeting glimpse of Gil-galad in the first movie was not really long enough to recognise him by)

If the book is taken to be the source, however, this should not be the case. Gil-galad's body was totally incinerated by the heat of Sauron so his body should not be among those that found their watery graves in the Dead Marshes.
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Gil-galad's body was totally incinerated by the heat of Sauron so his body should not be among those that found their watery graves in the Dead Marshes.


So if Gil-Gal was incinerated then he can't be opening his eyes to look at Frodo. Big Laugh Smilie
The film was awesome. And that ain't the right word for it, but you can't describe it in one word! Super Wow Smilie

Wanna know more: read my review! Big Smile Smilie
The lights are little torches, you only see them for a second but they are there.
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Unbelieveable! I have seen it 3 times since it opened and I'll be going back for more! Jackson is a genius! The visuals are magnificent! The characters and script is a work of art true art and love for the books. I have believed in elves, dwarves and magic since I was a child and never gave up on them, but I never knew that Elves could be so charismatic (long live Legolas!)
and sexy! (Hmmmm-Haldir !)

BTW-Sam Knew Boromir was dead because Faraimir told them. I also think he was so desparate he surmised the rest a took a last shot at keeping Denethor from getting the ring.
The Two Towers was absolutely amazing!!! I'm still slightly awe-struck - seen it twice now but i'm definately going to have to watch it again.
Visually it was much more appealling than FofR, but their were aspects of Fellowship that I still liked better; can't really decide which one is my favourite yet.

I'm quite relieved that the Aragorn-Arwen scenes didn't play as big a role as the trailers had implied. In this sort of epic adventure romances are better left to the imagination or as a hint to those who may be interested in such things, instead of being pushed in the faces of people who are, frankly, sickened by it.

But of course what Tolkien fan would not have serious gripes with this movie - great as it is... and here are but a few of mine (plus the stuff I enjoyed - cos the glass is always half full):

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But first, did anyone notice Legolas's super-cool horse mounting stunt during the Warg scene? Very very cool


I'm sorry but I thought it looked absolutely ridiculous - that move was sooo physically impossible, even for an elf; was Legolas trying to show off his elvish capabilities or something cos lets admit it 'Legolas there is an easier way'. Everyone packed up laughing when I went to see it!

One of my favourite parts of the movie is the opening scene where Gandalf fights the Balrog "from the deepest dungeons to the highest peak" the visual effects were really awesome... which begs the question 'Why did PJ use the stop motion technique for the parts where Treebeard was walking through Fangorn?' - didn't anyone else think it looked a bit cheesey?
Other than that I thought the ents looked really cool though I imagined them to be bigger. And I thought it would've looked spectacular to see the wild trees/ents throwing themselves at the Tower of Orthanc in their fit of rage!!! Tongue Smilie

My biggest gripe with the entire movie is the whole Faramir being a complete **** and taking Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath thing - which I thought would've taken them quite some time to reach anyway! I mean the whole point of Faramir being a morally better and wiser person than his brother and resisting the temptation of the ring was to show how different the two brothers were: reflecting the race of men and how different they can be. IMHO I think Tolkien effectively used Faramir as a foil character to Boromir (or the other way around). But I guess Faramir was kinda redeemed when he eventually let Frodo go at the risk of losing his own life: "then it is forfeit."
And it was pretty cool when Frodo became momentarily possesed by the ring. Very Evil Smilie

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I don't think that Frodo would want to share the details of what happened between himself and Boromir with anyone, whether out of respect or sympathy for Boromir


I agree... good point.

The characters of Eowyn, Eomer, Theoden and Wormtongue were portrayed to perfection. I really enjoyed the 'exorcism' of Saruman too! Go Gandalf!!!

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The thing I can't understand is.........how could Theoden possibly have trusted Grima before Saruman had him under his spell???? I mean, one look at that dark, creepy guy is enough to say that he can't be trusted!!


I don't think he was quite so creepy to begin with but had already gained the king's trust much earlier on and over time became twisted and down-right wicked looking from Saruman's evil instruction; thus his appearance might have changed much like Theoden's did. Smoke Smilie

Gollum was amazing: cute, funny and pityful all at the same time and I really understood his feeling of betrayal when Frodo was forced to lead him into capture by the pool in Ithilien - had this not have happened I wonder if Smeagol would've conquered over Gollum in the end?
Oh and i just loved the little song that Smeagol sang by the pool! Big Smile Smilie

Poor Gimli, always the but of all the jokes - but still very funny.
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I was happy that Gimli and Legolas' body count game was included. It's these little nods to the book that, for me at least, make up for the changes.

Me too Wink Smilie

Legolas: a true elf through and through - stunning.

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Arwen: I am glad she did not appear at Helms Deep, but we are left thinking that she has gone to the undying lands. So what does she do in ROTK? run away to her Aragorn, I suppose. The premonition parts, where we see Aragorn's death, didn't really work for me. Arwen is supposed to die too - not spend eternity wandering the woodlands alone.


1) I think that since many of the elves she was travelling with actually went to help in the battle of Helm's Deep, we can assume that she didn't go yet but stayed behind in Rivendel or something.

2) True - she does die, but (and I could be wrong here) I think her life is still considerably longer than Aragorn's.

It was so sad when Haldir died (even though he was kinda supercilious) Very Sad Smilie especially in his final moments when he was looking out at the horror of the battle scene - the bodies of all those dead elves, who in life were so fair and peace-loving - beautiful creatures whose fate it was not to die violently in terrible battles inspired by the greed and corruption of dark forces, but to live - immortal - in the undying lands with their kin.
Sorry to ramble on but that part of the movie really struck a chord for me.

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The lights are little torches, you only see them for a second but they are there.


By 'little torches' do you mean those flames here and there in the marshes? Cos I expected them to look like tiny little lights, like the flames of candles, glowing faintly under the water and in the surrounding mists in the distance - come to think of it I expected it to be far more misty and dark than it was; after all in the book Gollum refused to travel by daylight for fear of the sun.

Oh welllll to end off: What did you all think of those dragon-like creatures that the Nazgul ride - Fantastic!!! Orc Grinning Smilie
The lights are supposed to be the lights one normally sees in a marsh, swamp gas (methane) which sometimes ignites in tiny spurts, sometimes in sheets;
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"The tricksy lights. Candles of corpses, yes, yes. Don't you heed them! Don't look! Don't follow them! Where's the master!"
as Gollum said in TTT, Book IV, Chapter 2 entitled The Passage of the Marshes. Teacher Smilie
I have finally seen the movie and have to admitt that it is fairly different than the movie. I had to stop ansering my fathers questions about it about halfway through because I was basing my answers upon the book and a lot of the time I was wrong. I did not like the way that merry and Pippin had to convince Treebeard to attack Isengard but I did rather enjoy the attacking of Isengard. the ents weren't what I expected them to be but I got used to it and am now almost convinced that that was how they looked in the book. I do wish that they had put Shelob in it though instead of in ROTK.
WELL, ACTUALLY I LOVED THE MOVIE, I THINK IT IS GREAT,IT HAS VISUAL FX,STORY,AND INCREDIBLE LANDSCAPES.

BUT.....,I AM SORRY,BUT I THINK THERE WERE TO MANY CHANGES ON THE STORY,AT LEAST FOR WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.

EX:

-FARAMIR FELT TENTATION,BUT SINCE HE HAD BEEN CLOSER TO GANDALF,HE WAS A LITTLE BIT WISER,SO HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE RING SHOULD NOT BE SENT TO DENETHOR,CAUSE HE DEDUCTED THE EFFECT IT HAD ON BOROMIR....,I THINK THAT FRODO NEVER TOLD NEITHER HIM NOR SAM ANYTHING REGARDING HIS DISPUTE WITH BOROMIR,BUT HE GUESSED IT ALSO.

-HALDIR: I DO NOT REMEMBER HALDIR GOING TO HELM┤S DEEP,NEITHER ANY OTHER ELF BUT LEGOLAS.

-EKHEBRAND: (IS THE NAME CORRECT???) WAS THE ONE WHO ARRIVED TO SAVE THE SITUATION,AT THE MOMENT OF THE SUNRISE,I THINK.

-EOMER: HE WAS ENJAILED, BUT AFTER THE GANDALF┤S ARRIVAL,HE WAS FORGIVEN....., AND BOTH,HE AND HAMA ,OFFERED THEIR SWORDS TO THEODEN.

-EOWYN: I THINK SHE WOULD NEVER ALLOWED GRIMA TO TOUCH HER,HAD HE TOUCHED HER AND SHE WOULD HAVE SLICED HIM TO TINY LITTLE PIECES.( SHE WAS KIND OF A WARRIOR,I THINK.)

WHERE WAS BREGOLAS,YOU KNOW THE SWET AND GENTLE ENT, THE ONE WHOSE HOUSE WAS BURNED BY ORCS?......, I THINK FANGORN ATE HIM, CAUSE IN THE MOVIE, THE REASON WHY HE DECIDES TO FIGHT SARUMAN IS WHEN HE SEES SOME BURNED FIELDS,AND HE SAYS BREGALADS LINES.....

-AND I DID NOT SEE THE POINT OF ARWEN┤S SCENE, I THOUGHT THAT ARAGORN KNEW SHE LOVED HIM AS MUCH AS TO GIVE UP INMORTALITY.

- ELROND: I FELT ELROND DID NOT LIKED MANKIND,NOT EVEN ARAGORN,BUT ON THE BOOK, HIS OWN BROTHER (ELROS TAR MINYATUR) DECIDED TO BECAME HUMAN,AND HE HAD HUMAN BLOOD ON HIS VEINS....., HE GOT TO BE ELF BECAUSE OF HIS FATHER┤S JOURNEY,AND THE VALAR┤S WILL,BUT HE COULD NOT DESPISE HUMAN KIND.

--AND WHAT HAPPEND WITH THE PART WHERE GANDALF SPEAKS WITH SARUMAN,AND HE BREAKS SARUMAN┤S CANE?.....

- AND PIPPIN WATCHING THROUGH THE PALANTIR,AND HIS "FRIENDLY" CONVERSATION WITH SAURON,...,WHICH BY THE WAY, DISTRACTS HIM FROM FRODOS WAY,AND FROCES SAURON TO THINK THAT SARUMAN HAS THE RING, AND, LATER, THAT ARAGORN HAS IT...., WHICH BY THE WAY,IS WHAT FORCES HIM TO STRIKE GONDOR FASTER THAN WHAT HE WOULD HAVE LIKED.


HOWEVER, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT MOVIE, AND I AM PLANNING TO WATCH IT LIKE TEN TIMES.

[Edited on 31/12/2002 by THINGOL77]
About the elves in Helms Deep. Did anyone notice if any of the poor blighters survived?
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I'm sorry but I thought it looked absolutely ridiculous - that move was sooo physically impossible, even for an elf


That's funny. I thought it was sooo cool BECAUSE it was sooo physically impossible. But not for an Elf... It should have been physically impossible for Legolas to walk on the surface of the snow in the Redhorn scene but not too many people complained about that. To me, it demonstrates the etherial nature of elven physicality: light as a feather, strong as a bull.
SPOILERS!!!!!!!
Smeagol was great!!! And so was Grima!!!
Because Smeagol DOES swear on the precious!
And when Smeagol and Gollum fight, it's hillarious!
'We tells him to go away, and away he goes! Gone gone gone! Smeagol is free!' and then he prances around.
I personally liked the dead mashes part. With the 'dead faces'.
And it's so funny when Smeagol brings the rabbits to Frodo. 'Eat them! Eat them!'
AND! Smeagol sings the song about fish!
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I THINK THAT FRODO NEVER TOLD NEITHER HIM NOR SAM ANYTHING REGARDING HIS DISPUTE WITH BOROMIR,BUT HE GUESSED IT ALSO.

Well, it was Sam who spilled the beans in the book.And a good guess it was.
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'Yes? Now Boromir you would say?' said Faramir. 'What would your say? He took his peril with him?'
'Yes sir, begging your pardon, and a fine man as your brother was, if I may say so. But you've been warm on the scent all along. Now I watched Boromir and listened to him, from Rivendell all down the road - looking after my master, as you'll understand, and not meaning any harm to Boromir - and it's my opinion that in Lorien he first saw clearly what I guessed sonner: what he wanted. From the moment he first saw it he wanted the Enemy's Ring!'

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That's funny. I thought it was sooo cool BECAUSE it was sooo physically impossible. But not for an Elf... It should have been physically impossible for Legolas to walk on the surface of the snow in the Redhorn scene but not too many people complained about that. To me, it demonstrates the etherial nature of elven physicality: light as a feather, strong as a bull.


Mine apologies, methinks you are right: not impossible for an elf, but still looked kinda funny and unnecessary Wink Smilie
But I really liked that they showed Legolas walking on the snow's surface (as is mentioned in the book) because of what you said about their etherial nature (the Elves are what I love most about Tolkien's world)
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AND PIPPIN WATCHING THROUGH THE PALANTIR,AND HIS "FRIENDLY" CONVERSATION WITH SAURON,...,WHICH BY THE WAY, DISTRACTS HIM FROM FRODOS WAY,AND FROCES SAURON TO THINK THAT SARUMAN HAS THE RING, AND, LATER, THAT ARAGORN HAS IT...., WHICH BY THE WAY,IS WHAT FORCES HIM TO STRIKE GONDOR FASTER THAN WHAT HE WOULD HAVE LIKED.


A very good point! Seen as how in the movie Frodo held the ring up to the Nazgul in Osgiliath, so Sauron would know that the ring never went to Isengard.
I wonder if PJ will try to counter-act this little glitch in RotK cos I think it has great significance to the story.

And btw...Welcome to Planet-Tolkien THINGOL77! Big Smile Smilie
Hey all, I finally saw it and maybe my opinion is different from yours but here's what I think:
FARAMIR of course was really changed but it's better for the movie. I did not hate him, I really liked the part when he changes and lets Frodo go, although the whole taking Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath thing was too much. But I do accept this portrayal of Faramir cause it makes his character more interesting.
GOLLUM was perfect, I loved the parts where he's arguing with himself and I did feel sorry for him.
SAM and FRODO were exactly as I imagined them, especially Sam, and I loved the part where he's talking to Smeagol about potatoes.
ARAGORN was really good, but i really didn't get the whole almost dying thing, i think was just a way to show Arwen some more.
EOWYN was different from what I imagined - she laughed too much when she's supposed to be cold, but I did like her a lot even though i think the actress is a bit too old.
THE BATTLE AT HELM'S DEEP was great, and I think that the elves coming was appropriate and I liked it, of course that changes the whole book, but again it makes the movie more interesting for those who didn't read the book
LEGOLAS and GIMLI - they were great but i think their friendship should've been more obvious
ARWEN - the part where Elrond is talking to her was good, but um the elves' ships weren't supposed to leave yet at that time in the Two Towers, were they?
TREEBEARD was great and i liked Merry and Pippin in their determination to make the Ents help them. I'd say that my favorite scene in the movie was the Ents at Orthanc.
Basically I loved the movie and I accept its flaws, except for one - why didn't they actually finish the Two Towers? This means that they will have too much to include in the ROTK. They should have at least shown the part at Orthanc after the battle. Now I'm sure that in the next movie they will skip soo many parts and change so much. Although I read somewhere that 'the Return of the King' movie will be 3 and a half hours long!

I finally saw it yesterday and can't wait for the extended DVD to maybe get some answers as to why PJ chose to do it his way rather than JRRT's; however, all that aside it was a great movie, not the stuff of which Academy Awards are granted, but very entertaining and the three hours flew by before I was ready to go. Shocked Elf Smilie

Aragorn's swimming lesson was needed to highlight Eowyn's growing love for him as she met him, fought him, lost him, and regained him. I saw no reciprocity on his part. And Arwen's leaving for the Grey Havens was just limited to her leaving Rivendel. Her way to the Havens may be blocked by the enemy and thus she'll go south to Lothlorien until the return of the King. Cool Elf Smilie
Remi: Welcome to our Forum. Happy Elf Smilie
Aragorn's swimming lesson was needed to highlight Eowyn's growing love for him as she met him, fought him, lost him, and regained him. I saw no reciprocity on his part. And Arwen's leaving for the Grey Havens was just limited to her leaving Rivendel. Her way to the Havens may be blocked by the enemy and thus she'll go south to Lothlorien until the return of the King. Cool Elf Smilie


HOW EVER GROND,AND WITH ALL RESPECT, I THINK THAT SCENE WAS NOT NECESARY,CAUSE EOWYN┤S LOVE ,I THINK,IS KNOWN TILL TRoTK. AND I ALSO THINK THAT ARWEN┤S SCENE WAS FAR AWAY FROM THE BOOK, CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT AS ARAGORN AS ARWEN CONFESSED THEIR LOVE SINCE THEY MET AGAIN IN LOTHLORIEN, AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BOTH CERTAIN OF EACH OTHER┤S LOVE....., WELL I MIGHT BE WRONG.

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Well, it was Sam who spilled the beans in the book.And a good guess it was


YOURE RIGHT REDNELL,I APOLOGIZE FOR MY MISTAKE,WHAT I MEAN ,IS THAT HE WAS NEVER CERTAIN ABOUT BOROMIR┤S FINAL FIGHT WITH FRODO, BUT AS YOU VERY WELL REMARKED,SAM SHOULD HAVE GUESSED IT SO , DUE TO BORO┤S ATTITUDES. THANKS FOR THE COMMENT.( I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT IF I COMMITED ANY OTHER MISTAKE YOU COULD TELL ME.....THANKS.....) Wink Smilie Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie

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I liked the movie a lot, but the only thing I found disapointing was Treebeard and how the ents and Merry and Pippen were down-played in such a way.
Other than that...didn't have to let Haldir(sp?) die! Waaaaaahhhh! Whats with Arwen going to off to the west?
I loved Eowyn and Grima was perfect, but wanted more lines for Legolas.Sad Smilie Elijah Wood was awesome and Smeagol, was, well, Smeagol. the "gullom" sound needed changes though.
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Smeagol. the "gullom" sound needed changes though.

I agree. He sounded like my cat with a hairball.
No No No No, that never happened!

Noboy can argue with me now that The Two Towers isn't interesting enough for you not to add made up rubbish. He finished the film short because he keeps adding this bilge. I wouldn't care hes missing out the scouring of the shire, the grey havens and most likely seeing the rest of his work so far the destruction of the ring!
Whats the betting that Sauron wins in his version of the book.
Surely he just asked for a list of characters, place names and the general plot. the mans a complete Muppet!
I haven`t yet seen it, but I`m seeing it this afternoon! I`ll give you a small report on it. Like FOTR, it`ll probably be great!!! Big Smile Smilie I`m seeing it at 7 o`clock.

I CAN`t WAIT!!!

You have to see it!

I posted a postBody once saying that I hadn`t seen it. I got quite a few postBodys back. They all said that have to see it because, IT`S GREAT!!! Big Laugh Smilie Waving Hello Smilie Happy Elf Smilie
Its not great it a complete re-write on one of the greatest books of all time, which can be summed up by the word I can publish here BILGE.
I have just heard a rumor that in the Rotk Peter Jackson is going to have Arwen Appearing in PlayElf. The man's completely mad!
Alright maybe I made that bit up but I wouldn't put it past him!
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EOWYN was different from what I imagined - she laughed too much when she's supposed to be cold


That's exactly what I thought the 1st time I watched it, but then I watched TTT again and had a rethink. Wink Smilie
IMO she let Grima touched her because she felt trapped and alone and needed some comfort even if it was not given sincerely (though I worried for a moment there when it looked as if she was gonna let him kiss her *ugh*).
Then on the way to Helm's Deep I think it was the 1st time she felt happy and free in a really long time which was why she laughed like that (though I didn't think what Gimli said about dwarves that funny).
Maybe Peter Jackson just wanted the audience to feel for her or something, but I couldn't help feeling that Eowyn in the movie is different than Eowyn in the book, so I just treat the movie Eowyn as just another character to watch and not really to compare. But there is still hope in RotK. Smile Smilie
I HAVE SEEN IT!!!!!!!!YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!I HAVE SEEEEEN ITTTT!!!!!! Smile Smilie Big Smile Smilie Big Smile Smilie Cool Smilie Wink Smilie Smoke Smilie
Soooo......It was beautiful.I have to admit at first i got a bit scared-seening how fast things were going-Man,PJ covered half the book in 40 mins Sad Smilie .But then...ohhhh.....Althought I saw it taken from the net(he-he-he Very Big Grin Smilie -I know it's somewhat illegal and all-but to wait 2 MORE MONTHS FOR IT???!!!!),at low(and when I say low i mean LOW)quality-still.The battle at Helm's Deep is HISTORICAL!And when Theoden and Aragorn attack at sunrise ,riding on the gate's bridge(or whatever piece of architecture was that)and all those uruk-hai in front of them!!!!!!!!It was pure adrenaline.....

For now I am too over-hyper excited to comment it,butI'll start posting again from now,so....

oh,and about your subject above,-but all over another the movie is great,it has the feeling,the atmosphere and the life-Ross is right in his way,but you have to admit it could have easily turned out worse-and,although you'll disagree,PJ is allright.Enough for now...See ya soon!