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Eventually, everyone dies (even the Elves) Smoke Smilie
Does he die in the book?
He doesn't die in the book no

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Eventually, everyone dies (even the Elves) Smoke Smilie


Lol, here comes the cynic. Wink Smilie

Are there no elf who has lived since the first age, or perhaps even earlier?
Yes Olwe, Finarfin, Galadriel, Celeborn, Ciridan and Ingwe are but a few famous elves who have since the first age before the war of the jewels.
We're gonna start calling virumor lathspell Big Laugh Smilie

I'm not sure if your question was rhetorical or not Aire. But in case it wasn't, the answer is most definitely yes. Galadriel, Cirdan and I believe Celeborn were born during the Age of Stars prior to the First Age. A number of others, including Elrond, were born in the First Age.

As for Frodo dying... I highly doubt it. The comments between Elrond and Galdriel are probably just to stress the toll such a burden is taking on Frodo.

And I don't think Frodo is any more "taken" by the Ring than in the book. It's just that in the book this was expressed in a different way. Where as in a story told in the third person you can simply explain things such as this, in a film you have to show it.

It also helps explain Frodo's sympathy for Gollum... he can see his own future in Gollum's insanity and suffering. About Gollum, Frodo says "I have to believe he can come back."
Ack! You beat me to it, Ross! I was speaking of Elves still in ME. Olwe, Finarfin and Ingwe all reside in the Undying Lands.
I don't think Frodo will die, I think that Frodo will leave in Arwens place, but I don't think that it will be like it is in the book.
Nah! Frodo wont die in the movie or the book. Smoke Smilie
Frodo goes to Eressea in Arwen's place in the book and if he doesn't in the movie I will kill Peter Jackson. Wink Smilie
The words of Galadriel I take to mean that his quest will leave Frodo with unhealable wounds, physically and spiritually. He can never be the same as he was when he started out, unlike Merry and Pippen, he can never go home to the Shire and be a hero. In a way this is like dying because he can't live.
I have also seen TTT three times and I wondered the same thing. I am really not sure what they are going to do. I think i would be wrong to compeltly change the ending because then who would have written the books? cause frodo "wrote" most of them. but anyway, i'm still mad about what they did to faramir because i really liked him in the books. Hopefully they will not kill off frodo, but i think from TTT, that they might....
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The words of Galadriel I take to mean that his quest will leave Frodo with unhealable wounds, physically and spiritually. He can never be the same as he was when he started out, unlike Merry and Pippen, he can never go home to the Shire and be a hero. In a way this is like dying because he can't live.

Very nicely put, Sam. I agree that this is exactly what Galadriel means by "claim him" The only hope Frodo had for any healing was to leave Middle Earth for the Undying Lands and I think this will be in the movie because it is such a vital part of the story. Frodo really did give his life to save Middle Earth.
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Eventually, everyone dies (even the Elves) Smoke Smilie


Virumor, Lighten Up!
Aire, always asking questions.....
Ringfacwen, right i would kill him if he did that..... but i know he didn't......
Sam & red, nice job of cheering up!

Pleople, if you want to be hipotethical about this it's good with me, but we all know what is on PJ's mind right now, MARKET = MONEY. He knows that if he messes up some more he'll lose a big part of his market, trust me, he is not abuot to kill one of his best movies.
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And if he does, I'll kill him myself.


I'll help you. Big Laugh Smilie
As PJ has used scenes containing Sam and Frodo to end the first two films, I think he will continue with this trend in the third one. LotR was always going to be difficult to cut into three films (harder than ending a book where it doesn't matter about cliffhangers). His method has been to show Sam and Frodo giving each other support as they step deeper and deeper into peril. I think the RotK will end in a similar manner, with Sam waving goodbye forever to Frodo at the Grey Havens. Like the other two endings, it will be both sad, while at the same time, give a sense of hope.
Nah he lived in the book he will live in the movie....
Why does everyone keep saying that Frodo goes to the undying lands in Arwen's place, who's place is Bilbo, Sam and Gimli going in then? Answer nobody's they go to the undying lands because they've earned it not because some elves have chosen not to go to the undying lands. Arwen could have chosen to go to the undying lands after the death of Aragorn but instead she decides that she can't go on without him!
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Okay.......deal.

If it comes to it, you hold him on one end and I'll hold him on the other and we'll twist and pull!!!

Hey.....I'm Ranger Ringfacwen now!!! Whoo-hoo!!


I've already got first dibs on killing him so back off you two! It involves noses being stuck where no noses have been stuck before!

Well done Ranger Ringfacwen
Actually, I've heard this rumour elsewhere, so it wouldn't surprise me if it had some basis in fact. I hope they do kill him, can't stand the smug, holier than thou, messianic git. And take Sam with him.
Humm, yet you're a fan of Dune and Paul! But frodo's a messianic git!
I hope everyone gets killed in the movies, since i only find the Uruk-Hai sympathetic after seeing TTT 7 times.

Would be cool.
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I've already got first dibs on killing him so back off you two!


First come first served old chap! It's 2-1. Wink Smilie
Some of you people better hope no one knocks-off PJ, because if they do, you will be prime candidates as 'persons of interest'. And you also better hope it doesn't happen before the release of the Extended DVD of "LotR: RotK," else you better be glad you are invited in for questioning; you also might better request protective custody, because the rest of us may be out to get you, for interupting pleasure of our watching PJ's version of final chapters. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

Let us please stop making threatening remarks, lest they come true.
Sorry Grondy, but I still do have first dibs there are multiple post by me claiming what I'll do to him. If only I had the money to get to New Zeland.....
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Humm, yet you're a fan of Dune and Paul! But frodo's a messianic git!


Okay, Frodo is a little too wholesome, whereas Paul Muad-dib Atreides is entirely flawed and does terrible things because he knows it's the only way to get the future he knows will work for everyone. Muad'dib risks his reputation for eternity whereas Frodo only risks his pointless little hobbity life, which lets face it he'd have to spend with Sam constantly nagging him, better dead in mordor than alive with Sam.
So he's not risking the entirety of Endor by travelling to mordor with the one ring!
Oh well, maybe, but nobody likes Ewoks anyway (joke mate, I know, I really do) And Frodo's just too nice, he'd never order his Jihad over hundreds of planets and wipe out most of their populations.
And somebody else could have taken the ring (I know, I know, we've had this argument somewhere else)
Big Laugh Smilie Of course you do everyone likes Ewoks, especially birds!
i just want to say that Frodo eventually will die and so will Bilbo. They traveled to Aman because there is no suffering. But because they are not elf kind, they will die as hobbits. And I want to add that Frodo, Bilbo and Sam all were allowed to go to the west because they were the only remaining Ringbearers. Gimli was permitted because of his friendship with Legolas, Galadriels influence on the Valars(she was a noldor and they were most treasured of all elves) and might also be because AulŽ(the Valar that created the dwarwen race) wanted one of his creations to be by his side. This is my opinion and I think this is a correct one.
no we mean in the film! Big Smile Smilie
Noooooooo, not in the book he doesn't die!
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Big Laugh Smilie Of course you do everyone likes Ewoks, especially birds!


NOOOOOOO!!!!!! Nobody like Ewoks, they're just annoying. I meant I knew that Endor wasn't just a place with a forest moon handy for building Death Stars around. NOT that I actually have a fondness for the laziest sci-fi creations ever (half a wookie, hmmm... eiwook? No, Ewok! That was easy...)
Did you see Caravan of Courage btw, that really sucked....
I've spent eight months trying to buy it along with the other spin off, I bet you watched ewoks as a kid. That was one of the coolest cartoons of the time, droids sucked big time though.
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Noooooooo, not in the book he doesn't die!


yes he does die in the books ladyoflegolas. They never tell about his death but Tolkien made it clear that no one could change the fate of a mortal person to be immortal. Only if Eru himself change the lifespan of the person as he has only done with these following examples: Luthien and Tuor! If someone has more examples then notify me because these are the only ones I know of.... and Ross were you talking to me when you said: "no we mean in the film! Big Smile Smilie" ?
Then why are they called "The Undying Lands"? I don't think Frodo died there.

And remember that when Ar-Pharazon touched them he was entombed alive till the end of time.
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Then why are they called "The Undying Lands"?
They are called the undying lands because the Elves that live there do not die of natural causes. Dwarves, Hobbits, and Men were not designed to live there and just visiting there did not change thier fate.

They could not go home; not even Earendil was able to return. They could not travel back to Middle-earth but had to stay there until the sand in their hourglasses ran dry, at which time Death called for them, "HEY YOU! YEAH YOU, THE NON-ELF OVER THERE. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GO." And he swung his scythe and nipped their chord and said, "FOLLOW ME."
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They are called the undying lands because the Elves that live there do not die of natural causes. Dwarves, Hobbits, and Men were not designed to live there and just visiting there did not change thier fate.

They could not go home; not even Earendil was able to return. They could not travel back to Middle-earth but had to stay there until the sand in their hourglasses ran dry, at which time Death called for them, "HEY YOU! YEAH YOU, THE NON-ELF OVER THERE. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GO." And he swung his scythe and nipped their chord and said, "FOLLOW ME."


You are right there Grondy! They will die and it is called the Undying lands because it will never die that land as long as the Valars are living there! thats just onee opinion but it is also called the Undying lands because of there no elf will die by any sword or grief because there is only happiness. As I said before Tolkien himself said that an elf has immortal life, a dwarf a natural lifespan of approximately 2-300 years and a hobbit has about 110 years(exceptions The Old Took, Bilbo Baggins and Smťagol) and humans have a lifespan of 100years. Numenoreans have a lifespan of 3-400years! And not even the Valar could change the gift to men from dying, not hobbits or dwarwes either. Eru alone can change individuals from dying. but he wont do that to Frodo and the rest. Grondmaster are you with me on this?
And by the way how do I get more stars and get higher rank?
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They could not go home; not even Earendil was able to return. They could not travel back to Middle-earth but had to stay there until the sand in their hourglasses ran dry, at which time Death called for them, "HEY YOU! YEAH YOU, THE NON-ELF OVER THERE. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GO." And he swung his scythe and nipped their chord and said, "FOLLOW ME."

Do you think he had a potato on a rope around his neck?

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They will die and it is called the Undying lands because it will never die that land as long as the Valars are living there!

What about Almaren then? It's real name is Aman it is called the Undying lands because the sentient beings who reside there are immortal, but they can still and will still die through grief or strife!
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They will die and it is called the Undying lands because it will never die that land as long as the Valars are living there!

What about Almaren then? It's real name is Aman it is called the Undying lands because the sentient beings who reside there are immortal, but they can still and will still die through grief or strife!


Ross I know that its real name is Aman. I meant that it was a place where elf live in harmony. And what you are referring to is in the ancient time, when Melkor aka Morgoth killed FingwŽ and FŽanor and his people(the noldor) killed a lot of elves for their boats(telerin elves). This has happened once and has never happened again. But then again I think I couldnīt really say that they wonīt die of grief....who knows....but you see what I mean donīt you Ross? I just put it in the wrong words.
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Do you think he had a potato on a rope around his neck?



Big Laugh Smilie Thanks Ross, I needed a 'in laugh, and I 'in got one.

and btw, I hated the Ewoks cartoon (I was a little too old to appreciate it, what was with those green things?) and at least Droids (rather oddly) had Boba Fett in. Still sucked though.
Boba Fett is my favourite character!
I agree with you AulŽ.
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And by the way how do I get more stars and get higher rank?
You get more stars as your number of posts increase; you will get your second one when you reach 50. We council members received all ours and the glory that comes with them as the only pay that comes from making this a fun place to visit, other than the joy of all your fellowship that is. Cool Elf Smilie
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We council members received all ours and the glory that comes with them as the only pay that comes from making this a fun place to visit, other than the joy of all your fellowship that is.
So why have I got ten stars and all the other Council Members have eleven Tongue Smilie

Val is not worthy Wink Smilie
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So why have I got ten stars and all the other Council Members have eleven Tongue Smilie

Val is not worthy Wink Smilie
I never noticed that before, "Your Lowness". Maybe we have all reached the level of our mediocrity while you still have potential. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

(Actually one of Val's posts are worth two of mine; in content as well as in length.) Elf Winking Smilie

[Edited on 8/2/2003 by Grondmaster]
Ok thanks Grondy! I really think that Ross doesnīt understand what I mean.... oh well.... but what do you mean with more posts? you mean when I post in more and more then I get stars? well then thats great because I have sent in alot now lately Big Laugh Smilie .
Doesn't everyone know by now?? "FRODO LIVES!" Duh! Big Laugh Smilie
ok thanks Ringfacwen....I understand now...AulŽ the Valar rules!
Just a quick comment:
Movie Galadriel NEVER says Frodo will die. She says, "The quest will claim his life." And indeed, it will. Frodo is never able to reclaim his life in the Shire, and he is allowed to live out his days in the timeless realm of the Undying Lands. Undying Lands refer to the eternal nature of the place itself, and the Valar who made it. Immortal Elves may dwell there for eternity in peace and beauty. Mortals, such as Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, and later Gimli, will die there, but their time will be spent in peace and--dare I say it?--bliss.
Welcome to Planet Tolkien, krissie_g.

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I never noticed that before, "Your Lowness". Maybe we have all reached the level of our mediocrity while you still have potential.

(Actually one of Val's posts are worth two of mine; in content as well as in length.)
Creep Big Smile Smilie
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Just a quick comment:
Movie Galadriel NEVER says Frodo will die. She says, "The quest will claim his life." And indeed, it will. Frodo is never able to reclaim his life in the Shire, and he is allowed to live out his days in the timeless realm of the Undying Lands. Undying Lands refer to the eternal nature of the place itself, and the Valar who made it. Immortal Elves may dwell there for eternity in peace and beauty. Mortals, such as Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, and later Gimli, will die there, but their time will be spent in peace and--dare I say it?--bliss.

I completley agree krissie_g. You put it in better words. I am not american or english so it is tougher for me to get my sentences correct. I am from Sweden! Big Smile Smilie And proud of it!
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