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Tolkien ~ "I wrote the Hobbit as a relief from examining school certificates as it was then called. One of the candidates mercifully left one of his pages with no writing on it - which is possibly the best thing that can happen to an examiner - and I wrote on it 'In a hole in the ground lived a hobbit.' Names always generate a story in my mind, and eventually I thought I should find out what hobbits are like. But that was the Beginning. To think that this was the beginning of Hobbits, and to see where that blank page has taken us his readers and followers sort of boggles the mind. I always think about how the smallest bit of inspiration can come at any time, and most of us watch it flow away and disappear into our subconcious. I am grateful that Mr. Tolkien followed his bunny trail and took us along for the ride of our lives in finding out what hobbits are like. Maybe a blank page every now and then is a good thing to look at.
[quote="TragicKingdom":1utlk4vo] Maybe a blank page every now and then is a good thing to look at.[/quote:1utlk4vo] Definitely <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> And to think that The Hobbit was a mere coincidence! Bless that student who left his page blank <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
I know some think otherwise, but I believe God has a plan for all of us. Most people don't pick up on what it is because nowadays we just blow past everything. We need to just stop and slow ourselves down and look at the world around us. Then we might notice that blank sheet of paper calling to us. It happened to me. At my school, we have a short play festivial in the spring with student directed and written pieces. I wrote what I thought was a fantastically creative scene and turned it in early. Then I saw some crime show where there was a woman who was stealing babies because she lost hers and she had breast cancer, so it was very painful I guess. Oddly, this got me thinking. So lying in bed, saying a prayer, I asked God to tell me how I could get his/my message out to people so they can understand it. And the idea hit me. I wrote a monologue from the point of view of Millie, a 20 year old mother from somewhere in the Southern US. She had cancer, and had a baby, miraculously. It's been a week since baby Jackson's been born, and tomorrow, Millie has to go get a very risky sergery done, one that could claim her life. So it's about 2 a.m. and she's outside holding Jackson, saying goodbye by telling him all he needs to know about living, very basic things. I wrote this in about 15 minutes, compared to the hours I spent writing that scene, and my mom burst into tears when she read it. So under the impression that it was actually good, I turned it in. When the lists were put up of the shows being presented, I was shocked to see that my monologue, "Big Dipper" was chosen, but ecstatic! Long story short, you never know what can inspire you :ugeek:
As you know I'm not of a religous persuaion Tin (or at least I am not persuaded by religions) but I do think you have to find inspiration wherever you can, theres enough in the world to be crabbit about, if God inspires you Tin then fair enough- He's inspired plenty worthy artists and works in His time (tolkien included). I love a blank page. When I start writting something new I usually just sit and stare at the page for a few minutes before I begin (even when I know what I'm going to write!). There is something about the fact that its blank, a sheet of nothing yet upon it can appear anything at all. A wonderous tale, a cure for cancer, the unifying theory of everything! Its the possiblities contained in it that intrigues me. There was a sculptor (whose name I sadly forget) who said that when he started on a new block of stone he did not feel like he was carving something out of the block, rather that he was getting rid of the unneeded stone to reveal something that was already in it. Something magical like that can happen with a simple blank page. Sometimes small things in life like a simple blank page almost make me feel uncrabbity. :shock:
[quote="pettytyrant101":2vdghmgn] There was a sculptor (whose name I sadly forget) who said that when he started on a new block of stone he did not feel like he was carving something out of the block, rather that he was getting rid of the unneeded stone to reveal something that was already in it. Something magical like that can happen with a simple blank page. Sometimes small things in life like a simple blank page almost make me feel uncrabbity. :shock:[/quote:2vdghmgn] "In every block of marble I see a statue as plain as though it stood before me, shaped and perfect in attitude and action. I have only to hew away the rough walls that imprison the lovely apparition to reveal it to the other eyes as mine see it." Michelangelo said that <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
I'm never satisfied until I've made my shopping list. Sometimes it's hard to know (for economic reasons) what to write on it. Indeed, I find that a blank page says to me, [i:21lw94pp]"You might just be a girl, but surely you can think of at least one useful purchase!" [/i:21lw94pp]For this reason, I often find a blank page quite daunting. Oh yes!!! -- Tin, perhaps feeling empathy for other humans is something that can come from God, or from yourself (or both), and being inspired to write something with genuine meaning is the best form of creation or Creation. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
For me, a blank page is VERY daunting, because I have a fear of it not being perfect. :roll: I don't write usually until I have a full idea in my head. I think I use that as an lazy excuse for not writing, and its a habit i'm trying to boot! But I've been thinking lately about empathy, and that it's awfully difficult to ask someone to love everyone else like you love yourself. As much as i try I find it very difficult. So when I write, I'm vowing to add a theme of empathy to it. If we at least feel empathy for everyone, then we can talk about love :ugeek:
I would argue that people don't love themselves, never, not really, how can you, except if your delusional - unless, of course, you can find it in yourself to love others. I contend that you won't ever truly love yourself unless you stop a moment and try to find a way to understand other people from their own perspective. Face facts, we all want to mold everyone else in our own image. We're all selfish, come on, it's true, even Mother Theresa was. Have you not ever heard things like this?:- [i:138e1fu1]"Behave how I think (as inspired by God) you should behave! Think rightly. Yes, I'll tell you what's right, yeah, too right (as inspired by God)"[/i:138e1fu1] - surely you've heard it all, from pulpit, podium and politburo!! Love, unfortunately, can't be [i:138e1fu1]applied[/i:138e1fu1], it can only be [i:138e1fu1]found[/i:138e1fu1]; sometimes when you've stopped looking, sometimes in the most unexpected situations. Not only can it not be [i:138e1fu1]applied[/i:138e1fu1], it can't be [i:138e1fu1]kept in a bottle[/i:138e1fu1], Tin; it's not some commodity you can purchase or sell. Don't go looking to find it in the first place, I'd say, just try to listen to other people (religious or not), truly listen without judging, and don't fall into the trap of seeing others as a canvas to paint religious imagery on, see them instead as people to listen to and learn from, no matter who or what they are. For the record, I've read the Gospels a few times and Jesus is a hero of mine. I don't think he would have any problem with anything I've said above. Good bloke, I reckon, that Jesus. Shame you Christians hijacked his memory somewhat! I blame Paul mostly, though he wasn't all bad neither. I can feel some empathy for him. Very human he was, just like you and me, though not perfect, no way - and he'd tell you that if you asked, I'm sure. :ugeek:
If only everyone could see it like you do Odo! I just want to open people's minds to change. Not change it for them. It's like inception; you can't create an idea in someone's mind, because it was your idea. You have to nudge them in the right direction and hope they take the hook.
Tin, I think that it is us that takes the hook, for me int he form of the holy spirit and the follow his lead, but no matter how much I nudge it does naught unless the Lord is behind it. There is nothing in my power but to listen and act. But to change someones mind or spirit, well that is out of my pay grade, and most times when I try it has the opposite effect.
Right... like I said, inception. Get people thinking, and who knows where there minds will take them! I just want to be a stepping stone that helps them get there. We're here to serve our fellow man
Agreed! We should always encourage and help greatness! :ugeek:
Yes indeed. I readily concur. That's why I want to eradicate namby pamby Liberal views from this Forum. I see myself as a Mentor in this area. (At least, Mr Tyrant understands - and Eldo to a point. I must not give up hope <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> ).
[quote="Odo Banks":2j7y88ow]At least, Mr Tyrant understands - and Eldo to a point. I must not give up hope <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> [/quote:2j7y88ow] Compared to you and Petty I'm practically a Tolkien Liberal, though I still have my disagreements with GB, Ringdrotten, and the like. Even so, I think it's fun to have discussions with people from differing viewpoints. Maybe that's just one of the benefits of being open-minded? <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> Here to help! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
I believe Eldo is a downright Tolkien Agnostic! Doesn't know where he stands when it comes to the great questions of life (Tolkien and PJ related questions of life that is) <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
I like to think of Eldo as a 'PJ apologist'. He knows in his heart what PJ did to the scripts was unforgivable but yet he has been known to defend some 'bits' on spurious grounds gleaned from the perpitrators themselves. All this despite his Lore Mastery being deep and thoughtful, its a puzzler, I think its youth, he does not wish to be overly strident in his views so as not to offend. Come over to the Light fully Eldo, there is nothing to fear, we have buckie, be strong in your condemnation of PJ and the Coven. If you offend by the very nature of your offense you must be offending only fools. Don't let them keep you back from your true destiny as a PJ hater. Join us Eldo. Think of all the parts that make your blood boil, your temper rage and then turn it, a blowtorch of fiery hatred, hotter than the fires of Smaug, fiercer than the tumults of Orodruin, upon those most deserving. You know what to do.
[quote="pettytyrant101":1g9tsdhz]I like to think of Eldo as a 'PJ apologist'. He knows in his heart what PJ did to the scripts was unforgivable but yet he has been known to defend some 'bits' on spurious grounds gleaned from the perpitrators themselves.[/quote:1g9tsdhz] The ultimate irony here for me is that on other forums I tend to be the most 'extreme' and am thus the one who throws around terms like 'PJ apologist'. :roll: :lol: [quote:1g9tsdhz]All this despite his Lore Mastery being deep and thoughtful, its a puzzler, I think its youth, he does not wish to be overly strident in his views so as not to offend. Come over to the Light fully Eldo, there is nothing to fear, we have buckie, be strong in your condemnation of PJ and the Coven.[/quote:1g9tsdhz] Perhaps this is just outside your frame of reference :P but I genuinely enjoy watching the movies. I've seen them enough that I can remember pretty much all the times that make me groan or cringe, but I'm willing to take the good with the bad because I think that they are very entertaining and even moving at times. I still think Tolkien did a better job and that PJ could have done better if he'd stuck closer to Tolkien, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy the films. [quote:1g9tsdhz]If you offend by the very nature of your offense you must be offending only fools. Don't let them keep you back from your true destiny as a PJ hater. Join us Eldo. Think of all the parts that make your blood boil, your temper rage and then turn it, a blowtorch of fiery hatred, hotter than the fires of Smaug, fiercer than the tumults of Orodruin, upon those most deserving. You know what to do.[/quote:1g9tsdhz] If I didn't know better, Petty, I'd think you were the person who keeps trying to post comments (that I haven't made visible) on my website telling me to bash the movies more. Hey, maybe you are. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> :P
[quote="Ringdrotten":19d38ccp]I believe Eldo is a downright Tolkien Agnostic! Doesn't know where he stands when it comes to the great questions of life (Tolkien and PJ related questions of life that is) <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:19d38ccp] I think I just have mixed feelings. It is sometimes confusing though because I do like the films so I don't want to be too harsh in criticizing them, but some parts really do bug me. Maybe I am a Tolkien Agnostic, then. :lol:
"Knowing where we come from helps us know where we are going" I came from the kitchen and I am going outside. (One for Calvin and Hobbes fans) Eldo you are being very American- sitting on a fence. Jump down to the side of righteousness and burning PJ effagies beneath full moons (no?-just me then)
[i:25q1t3s2]Knowing where we come from helps us know where we are going.[/i:25q1t3s2] But only if you're going back to where you started... ORB :ugeek: