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The Lord Of The Ring is Sauron the Dark Lord.
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So where does the Lord of the Rings come in?
Sheryl, as Stonehelm has said:
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The Lord Of The Ring is Sauron the Dark Lord.
He was the guy who lost the ring in the first movie when his finger was cut from his hand. It is his fiery eye you saw atop of the Black Tower of Barad-Dūr in Mordor. Happy Elf Smilie

I suggest you obtain a copy of the first book The Fellowship of the Ring from a friend, the library, or a store. Read it and decide if, like the rest of us, you can't wait to read the other two books as well as The Hobbit and The Silmarillion. Read Smilie
I`m sorry! I got everything wrong! I know all of the things you told me. I should have included in my question what I meant!
I meant, Who is the Lord of the RingS. I know Sauron is the Lord of the Ring, but who is the Lord of the RingSSS? Very Sad Smilie
I know you find out about Sauron in FOTR, it`s just the title:THE LORD OF THE RINGS, makes me think: why has J.R.R.Tolkien put an S on the end of RINGS, if Sauron is only the Lord of the one ring?
PLEASE HELP ME!
I`m so muddled up! Sad Smilie

The One Ring makes the owner The Lord of The Rings. If you have The One Ring you can command everything the other Rings of Power does. So it's kind of hard to give an answer to "who is The Lord of The Rings?". It could be Sauron if he gets hold of The Ring, but in a way it could also be Frodo because he decides the faith of the other Rings Of Power when he decides what to do.
Anyway, that's my thought.
Good anwer Elanor_J

Sauron created The One Ring so I think he is the true Lord Of The Rings.
Right!
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Ash nazg durbatulūk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulūk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
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One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them.
He who holds the One Ring has the potential to be the Lord of the Rings.

Lord over the nine rings of the Mortal Men (now worn by the Nazgūl), the seven rings of Dwarf-lords (which Sauron has already gathered), and the three rings of the Elven-kings (which remain hidden until the end of the Third Age).

Sauron and Gollum each wanted the One Ring back for their own evil purposes; Saruman, Boromir, and Denathor each wanted to weild it; Gandalf knowing its evil nature, was afraid to even touch it; and Bilbo, Aragorn, Galadriel, Faramir and Sam each rejected its power. Teacher Smilie

[Edited on 5/1/2003 by Grondmaster]
Just wanted to add...

The three elven rings were the only ones not touched by Sauron.

Originally, all of the great rings were made by the elves, the Gwaith-i-Mirdain of Eregion.

Sauron tricked the elven smiths into making them, and then made the one ring - One ring to rule them all. It was his intention to dominate all the other races and particularly the elves, by enslaving their rulers (ie turning them into puppets for his own will). But as soon as the one ring was made, the elves were aware of it (Sauron having underestimated them), and tried to hide the other rings.

Gradually, Sauron captured most of them, and after corrupting them, re-released 9 to men and 7 to dwarves (Dwarves proving difficult to dominate, he took most of the dwarf rings back). The elves managed to sucessfully keep three of the rings from Sauron. These were The Three. The Three were not directly under Sauron's will because he had never touched them. Never the less, they were subject to The One, in that when it was destroyed, they lost their power. Rivendel and Lorien faded after the War of the Ring.

However, if Sauron had regained The One, the minds of the bearers of The Three would have been 'laid bare' to him. They would have become his puppets, (unless they quickly took them off). A very frightening thought for Elrond (who never wore Vilya until after The One was destroyed), Galadriel (who was very strong) and Gandalf (who also does not appear to have worn Narya openly).

They decided that loosing the power of their rings was a far better fate than enslavement, and thus helped Frodo in his quest as much as they could.

To get back to the original question: Sauron is The Lord of the Rings, since with The One, he could controll all the others.
Gandalf had the third ring, it was given to him by Cirdan.
Celebrimbor, who forged the three elven rings gave Nenya to Galadriel and Narya and Vilya to Gil-galad. After Sauron's army that had invaded Eriador had been defeated, it was decided Imladris would be the new Elvish stronghold in East Eriador rather than Eregion. At this point, Gil-galad made Elrond his vice-regent and gave to him Vilya. The rings were thus held by Galadriel, Gil-galad and Elrond.

Prior to leading his forces to Mordor in the Battle of the Last Allience, Gil-galad gave Narya to Cirdan for its safe-keeping. Realising his own part in future wars was going to be limited to building ships, Cirdan gave up this ring when Gandalf arrived out of the West, realising it would serve the causes of good better in Gandalf's hands rather than his own.

From a passage in UT
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But Cirdan from their first meeting at the Grey Havens divined in him the greatest spirit and the wisest; and he welcomed him with reverence, and he gave to his keeping the Third Ring, Narya the Red.
"For," he said, "great labours and perils lie before you, and lest your task prove too great and wearisome, take this Ring for your aid and comfort. It was entrusted to me only to keep secret, and here on the West shores it is idle; but I deem that in days ere long to come it should be in nobler hands than mine, that may wield it for the kindling of hearts to courage."


This same passage goes on to say that Gandalf kept the ring ever secret, but it did come to attention of Saruman that he was in possession of it, and that was the beginning of the hidden ill-will he bore to Gandalf.
Just guessing here... I think you can see evidence of Gandalf being the bearer of Narya in FotR when he is fighting the Balrog.
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I am a servent of the Secret Fire, weilder of the flame of Anor.

Is it possible that the "Secret Fire" is a reference to Narya, being the ring of fire?
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Is it possible that the "Secret Fire" is a reference to Narya, being the ring of fire?
I think this question was posed a while back in one of the other threads, Arwen.

Though it is open to interpretation, the Secret Fire is more likely to be the Flame Imperishable than Narya. Being Maiar, Gandalf was given the Flame Imperishable by Eru and the Balrog would recognise and fear this light. The Flame Imperishable was also known as the Flame of Anor.
Thanks for clearing that up for me Val, cos I've often wondered about that one. Smile Smilie
Another reason that Sauromon was jealous of Gandalf was that Gandalf had Nenya the ring of fire.
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in a way it could also be Frodo because he decides the faith of the other Rings Of Power when he decides what to do.
Anyway, that's my thought.


Gandalf says that there is only ONE Lord of the Rings in Rivendell, after Merry and Pippin jokingly say "Hooray for Frodo, the Lord of the Ring" (paraphrasing, bookshelf is so very far away). So it's Sauron, no question, okies?
Thanks for all your replys everyone. It`s helped alot! Thanks. Cool Smilie
sorry about my last post I meant Narya Sad Smilie
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Another reason that Saruman was jealous of Gandalf was that Gandalf had Narya the ring of fire.
I am not sure if Saruman knew Gandalf had Narya, let alone who were the bearers of the other two hidden rings, he may have, does this have a textual basis? Elf Confused Smilie
From UT - The Istari
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And the Grey Messenger took the Ring, and kept it ever secret; yet the White Messenger (who was skilled to uncover all secrets) after a time became aware of this gift, and begrudged it, and it was the beginning of the hidden ill-will that he bore to the Grey, which afterwards became manifest.
Ah, Thanks Val. I guess I better buy the Unfinished Tales next.
I'm surprised you haven't already, Grondy. I think you, more than most, would really enjoy it for what you could get out of it. There is so much behind the scenes information within it.
The problem is I was confusing The Lost Tales with UT and only found those by accident. I gave up looking for Tolkien books long ago, not knowing anything was published after the Silmarillion. After all JRRT has been dead and buried for decades; who'd-a-thunk his son would cash in on his notes. None of my pre-Planet-Tolkien friends were interested in Tolkien and I don't carouse in bookshops so it took my finally getting a PC and on the internet two years back so I could find this site where I am learning so much about that which I have missed.
I I knew that It said that somewhere in the UT!

[Edited on 8/1/2003 by faramir]
Thanks for backing me up Val. I just posted the quote myself because I didn't read yours at first but deleted it as you can tell from the editing announcment.


[Edited on 8/1/2003 by faramir]
The lord of the rings is Sauron because he gave 3 rings to the elfs 6(no sure) to the dwarfs and 9 nine rings were gifted to the race of men who above all desired power...
3 rings for the Elven-kings under the sky
7 rings for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone
9 rings for men doomed to die

and Sauron forget the One Ring to rule them all (he is the Lord of the Rings)
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The lord of the rings is Sauron because he gave 3 rings to the elfs
Sorry to contradict you, Elda, but Sauron did not give the three rings to the elves. The three elven rings were forged by the elves using the knowledge Sauron had taught them, but were never even touched by him. When he placed the One Ring upon his finger he became aware of them, but even after torturing Celebrimbor, he could not discover their whereabouts.

One of the rings was given to Galadriel by Celebrimbor and he gave the other two to Gil-galad (who later gave them to Elrond and Cirdan).
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However, if Sauron had regained The One, the minds of the bearers of The Three would have been 'laid bare' to him. They would have become his puppets, (unless they quickly took them off). A very frightening thought for Elrond (who never wore Vilya until after The One was destroyed), Galadriel (who was very strong) and Gandalf (who also does not appear to have worn Narya openly).

So Galadriel is strong enough to wear Nenya even though the One ring hasn't been destroyed yet? Because in the FOTR extended edition there was a scene in Lorien where Galadriel showed Frodo her ring.
Galadriel did take the risk of wearing her ring after Sauron was defeated at the end of the Second Age when the Ruling Ring was lost in the Gladden Fields. She actually says that if the One Ring is destroyed, all that was made with the Three would also be undone, so she has obviously made use of its powers to mention this fact.

With Sauron gone and the One Ring lost, the danger of using her own ring was minimal. Even someone powerful, like Saruman, would have taken a long time to master the One Ring sufficiently to ensnare her through her own ring. She would have had plenty of warning in this event to take her own ring off. Only Sauron would know the ring well enough to just put it on and use its full powers immediately.

The fear of Sauron being the one to discover his own Ring, however, was perhaps enough to keep Elrond from wearing Vilya while there was any chance of this happening.
I wish I could have got the extended edition for Christmas instead of the normal one. Very Sad Smilie I think I would have found out alot more than I know right know! Smoke Smilie
You can rent it, I did, that's how I saw the Extended DVD.
Thanks for telling me that. I might do that. I`ll ask my mum. Hopefully she`ll let me. Big Smile Smilie
About the rings, I thought they were all made by elves? All the seven, the nine(not sure about the nine) and the three and were given away when sauron attacked Eriador? The only reason Sauron was lord of the rings was that he had a part in making them. He does not have control over the three rings is because he did not defile them and Celebrimbor use his own skill to make them and did not use sauron's methods.
Yes, all the rings (including the nine - most of the rings were given to the race of men because they were the easiest to control and corrupt) were made by the Elves; and Sauron had not touched the three therefore he could not control them, that is until he made the One. Sauron was a Maiar and more powerful than the Elves that is why he was able to control the three with the One even though he'd never touched them... so long as the One Ring was in his possesion.
If you live in the US Sheryl you can get it at Blockbuster. That's where I got it.
I have two Blockbusters near where I live. They`re about 20 mins away from me. Big Smile Smilie I`m definately going to rent it! Is it the normal £3.75 for 2 nights? Or is it £3.75 for 1 night? I would have thought, because it`s been out for ages, that it would be £3.75 for the 2 nights. Cool Smilie
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Sauron was a Maiar and more powerful than the Elves that is why he was able to control the three with the One even though he'd never touched them... so long as the One Ring was in his possesion.
There are several mentions about Sauron touching the rings. What I would like to point out, to avoid any confusion, is that by "touching" a ring, it is unlikely to mean merely touching it like in a game of tag.

The elves did indeed make all the rings with the exception of the One Ring, but it should be remembered this was only possible with the lore Sauron had taught them. He came among them in SA 1200, and it was over a four hundred year period that the rings were made. By "touched" I think Tolkien means that Sauron actually had a hand in helping to forge them.

I think, personally, this lore was something they did not quite understand at first, and while casting whatever spells they were using in the making of the early rings, they were also inadvertingly also adding the very components which Sauron needed for his control over them (something like someone adding a virus to a complex computer program now days).

The three elven rings were the last to be created. By then Celebrimbor had enough knowledge of his own to create rings without Sauron's aid, but he was still using Sauron's lore. This would explain why, even though he had had no contact with the three elven rings, Sauron was still able to control them.
I was always under the impression that only Sauron in possession of the One is the Lord of the Rings. That even if Saruman had gotten his hands on it, he would not have been able to wield it as a weapon in the same way as Sauron. And that no matter how long Saruman was in possession of the Ring, he would never have been the Lord of the Rings. Certainly he would have had great powers, but not near the power of the Lord of the Rings.

Because, please correct me if I'm wrong, the One Ring IS Sauron, in a sense. His spirit is seperate but all of his true, corporeal power is contained within the Ring now. This is why, when the One Ring is destroyed, Sauron is vanquished once and for all.

The biggest danger in Saruman capturing the Ring was that it would more easily fall into the hands of Sauron again... right? This is an honest question. You all seem to retain these fine details better than I. Big Laugh Smilie
Yes Prog you're right. I'll leave it to someone else to do a lengthy explanation as to why you're right. But you are.
Your fingers tired or something? Big Laugh Smilie
I agree Pog, I think that Sauron will have control over the ring no mater who posses it, because of the fact that so much of his spirit was inbedded in the creation of the ring, much like the statues of the Woses!

[Edited on 18/3/2003 by Ross]
Okay. That`s fairly reasonable. Big Laugh Smilie
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'Indeed I spoke of them once to you; for the Black Riders are the Ringwraiths, the Nine Servants of the Lord of the Rings.'

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'Nine he gave to Mortal Men, proud and great, and so ensnared them. Long ago they fell under the dominion of the One, and they have become Ringwraiths, shadows under his great Shadow, his [Sauron's] most terrible servants.'

Clearly this means that Sauron is the Lord of the Rings.
Also, Christopher Lee says a great deal about "Many people don't realize the Lord of the Rings is truly Sauron..." in the extended FotR DVD. I realize this topic is practically dead... but I was just adding my input.
Of course, Sauron was the Lord of the Rings! He had possession of the 'Nine Rings of Men', with which he controled the Ringwraiths and the 'Seven Rings of the Dwarves', which he offered to Dain for word of "Baggins" and the Shire", and he was trying to regain the 'One Ring' with which he could gain mastery over the 'Three Rings of the Elves'.

(I don't know for whom the 'Five Rings' were made or if Sauron was even looking for them to fill out the progression of 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, ... n; however, I do know that they are golden and that they can be found between some calling birds and some laying geese.) Elf With a Big Grin Smilie