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Ross, the truth that some people are making some posts that say "The movies are great! I love PJ! I love Orlando!" doesn't give you the right to do the same thing in your way. They say "We love movies" , you say "We hate movies" I can't see any difference. If you accept that what they're doing is wrong you accept that what you are doing is wrong as well.
About their postBodys being edited or deleted, I'm sure council members have something in mind.
I am not trying to say this; my point is if it's positive there is no problem, as soon as it's slightly negative there is a big ho har. The truth of the matter is without us anti PJ crowd, the forums would be a very boring place, people come her to discus their views my views are a negative side but that is not a bad thing. To blatantly try to censer the negative aspects of a topic is nothing short of fascism. I do not have a go at people who come out with such lines as mentioned, yet I allow people to give as good as they can at me. If they do so I am entitled to give it back just as well.
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But your posts are becoming more and more negative, sometimes I get the feeling you are breaking down posts of people who like the movies and then you risk hurting people without meaning to. This can't be your intention, right. I donít have much time to spend at PT, so I don't know you so well, except from the anti-PJ posts, but I would love to learn more about you.
That's because I'm a pessimist, that's a optimist with experience. Nobody wants to know me, I'm evil incarnate. Tongue Smilie





[Edited on 13/10/2003 by Ross]
Well it's 3 guys against the world. And still they are afraid... Wink Smilie

We must be really good. Or bad. Or evil.
I congratulate you. You've managed to fill an entire page full of this ****. Shocked Smilie Animated Wink Smilie
Yes, and you've just contributed to this '****' just like me now. great.
quote]To blatantly try to censer the negative aspects of a topic is nothing short of fascism
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I'm not gagging any of you, or threatening to erase your posts. I'm just saying, we all know your opinions by now and are getting fed up of having to keep reading them. By all means critisize with something that is new or constructive, but for the sake of everyone else, lose the negativity. All three of you have so much to offer that is positive.
Excuse me, Ross, but where is this fascist censureship you are talking about? If you had been censured, half of your recent posts would have gone by now. Have they? I think you'll find they are precisely where you left them.
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Ahh but it's ok for us all to get the constructive praise rammed down our throats. Such highly constructive and intelligent conversational pieces as "The Lord of the Rings films are great and so is Peter Jackson, because he used Orlando Bloom!"
Are you going to edit all them no, so why not have the policy of each to there own!
Yes, they bore the C**p out of me too. From where I'm sat though, there appears to be a big difference. The posts from people loving the movies seem to be coming from dozens of sources. Yes, you are reading the same things over and again, but they are being written by lots of different people, each infrequently having their say. What you three are doing is repeatedly saying the same things over and again.

On top of that, a lot of your posts are becoming quite offensive, which is something we do not want on a family friendly site.
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This just goes to prove that PJ is a money grabbing gimp that should be strung up by the gribblets
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Heīs gonna get a piece of my fist when I see him
Need I say more?
I'd just like to say that none of this is my problem anymore... WOOHOO!

But anything that gets repeated over, and over and over again, is just dull. That was all I really wanted to say back there. I hate both positive and negative posts, and much prefer Elfstone's views on the movie for example, he balances out the good and the bad. Very few things are entirely good, or entirely bad. We should maybe remember that sometimes.
You can do if you want, it causes me no beef! I could pull the same people saying the same old rubbish on numerous occasions. However the censership is in place and some of the time against me included it is a good thing, however alot of the time it is a pointless practice. Family friendly, is that as long as you are a practicing christian from a cosy suburb?
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Now either shut the **** up, or I will personally edit your posts into complete obscurity.
just to make my point!
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Family friendly, is that as long as you are a practicing christian from a cosy suburb?
That'd rule me out then. No, its something which tries to ensure sites on the Web are a safe and friendly environment for the young people who visit them, unlike the images of evil a lot of people feel the internet has become.

Over half our membership is under the age of 16. By following "family Friendly" principles, we try to ensure these impressionable young people can enjoy themselves here without having to endure bad language, racism, verbal bullying and threats etc. You are old enough to understand this, Ross, without me having to tell you. By being a regular member of a family friendy site, I would have thought it was a policy that you were in support of.

Anyway, this whole thread seems to have become twisted away from its original context. Can someone please steer it back on course, if only to say, "I think I'm going to hate it".
I think I'll love ROTK, there will surtenly be times while watching it I will feel like screaming "WHAT have they DONE?? Aaaaargh!!" But most of the time I'll be sitting with stars in my eyes watching the world I love come to life in the darkness. It won't be perfect, but it will be perfect enough. Oooh I can't wait!!!
Big Smile Smilie Big Smile Smilie

*trying to steer the thread back on course*
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*trying to steer the thread back on course*


And I will try to help you with this Smile Smilie

I'm very curious about the last movie, for I think it's the most fragil part of LOTR. It has a lot of emotions, different kinds of emotions. Of course first of all I'm curious about Shelob, the evil part of Gollum (I love that shot in the trailer when Gollum gives that wicked look at Sam), the confrontation of Eowyn and the witch king and of course the battle in front of the gates of Mordor. But ROTK is the most moving part of LOTR to me, the suffering of Frodo, the loyalty and deep friendship of Sam, the love between Faramir and Eowyn. There is a lot of sadness, pain, grief, but also happiness in this last part. I have read and heard this last movie will be better than all the others and very emotional. Knowing this, in one way, I'm afraid to expect too much of it, that it will not be as good as I want it to be. And in an other way, I'm afraid they wanted so much to make it emotional that it will seem unreal, overdone. But I'm counting the days!
I have seen the shelob-part in the trailer and that already wasn't like it was in the book. First the hobbits are supposed to see eyes only, no body or whatsoever, and after Frodo chased them away using the phial of Galadriel they manage to get out of Shelob's lair. Then Frodo gets a bit emotional, thinks he made it and then BLAM.

Anyway, i don't think i am going to like Rotk movie. It's my guess the story of the book won't be followed at all. I've yet to see if there will be no paths of the dead or no scouring of the shire or 30 marriages in the end or no Prince Imrahil, etc etc but : where there is smoke, there is fire.

But i hope that Gimli won't continue in Rotk movie with spraying around terrible jokes while he is chopping orcwood at the pelennor fields - and i wonder how Aragorn and his mates are going to reach the Pelennor. (by horse you say? neat)

I have seen in the trailer Arwen is back too unfortunately, and that she is going to convince Elrond - her reluctant father - to hand Narsil over to Aragorn. So i am wondering whether there will be a Banner and a Halbarad ("you bring great danger coming in here, Bannerbearer") in RoTK movie. I don't think so.

So, Rotk will again be not following the story of the book and will again be a parody of the book (and a not funny one, whether or not how many Elf jokes Gimli tells).

Lucky for us, the Oscar jury have read the books.

[Edited on 15/10/2003 by virumor]
PLEASE, let there be no more Gimli comic relief; they've ruined his character!
Anyway, I practically fell asleep in the threatre during the TTT Frodo/Sam and Merry/Pippin scenes; there wasn't enough of Gandalf or Saruman I thought. Everything I was looking forward to in the 2nd movie wasn't there! So hopefully they can do a better job with RotK. Wink Smilie
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Like I said in another post somewhere, shouting loudly and often isn't going to make anyone change their opinion on the movies either.


Well Val, it worked for Morgoth.... Orc Smiling Smilie hihihi

but seriously....I donīt really think that PJ can give me any satisfaction....since he has already ruined the whole concept of making LoTR into a movie for me I will forever stay to the books......but rest assure...I will see it for 2 reasons....#1: to be able to critise is tooWink Smilie hehehhe
#2(and the most important one) : I promised me best mate to see it with him and me other mates and my word is as solid as the foundation of Arda....


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You're trying to pull everyone into the dark side aren't you?


hahaha of course matey....my mission in lifeWink Smilie
I don't mean to be pessimistic... but I really think it's gonna suck. From what I've seen. I mean, I'd love for them to prove me wrong, but every little postThreadIDbit I've heard about has made me just more pessimistic about RotK. I mean, previously I was posting about how I really like PJ's movies, but I have no hope for RotK. They've got ****** country music, a squashed-up plot, and NOW they've even cut Christopher Lee (Saruman), who was one of the best performances in FotR, out of RotK! And I watch Elijah Wood and the hobbits claim on TTT that RotK will be the best out of the 3. I mean, some of the music and battle scenes looked good, but now I'm just annoyed. RotK, for me at least, is without hope. PLEASE let them prove me wrong!!
Yes Arco, i totally agree with you.

But what you said bout the upcoming rotk movies, also counts for the two previous blasphemic hollywoodian monstruosities.
I think Aragorn has been carrying Anduril around on his back ever since he left Rivendell, at first I thought he was carrying a bow, but never having seen him use a bow I now think that vertical object will turn out to be the sword of Elendil reforged and it was carried upside down to keep the moisture out of the scabbard. That way Elrond and Arwen don't have to show up until the wedding.

Of course this will turn out to be wrong, but it may be PJ's way of getting the sword in place for the upcoming battles where Aragorn has need to rally the dead and the armies of the good under his banner. More probably Halbarad will show up with both the banner and sword sans the twins in time for the 'Paths of the Dead'.
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Yes Arco, i totally agree with you.


Lol, well I'm no longer that pessimistic; from what I've heard it's started to shape up a bit.
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More probably Halbarad will show up with both the banner and sword sans the twins in time for the 'Paths of the Dead'.
Now that really is wishful thinking, Grondy Big Smile Smilie

Personally I won't be happy unless I get to see Halbarad, the twins and all thirty of the Grey Company.
The only reason i will go and see Rotk is because i am curious how PJ is gonna solve the Arwen-Aragorn mess.

Because in TTT apparently, Arwen is leaving and not leaving for the grey havens... (Hugo Weaving should get an Oscar for the frown he's able to pull off then) while in Rotk trailer she's suddenly nagging on Elrond to give Anduril to Aragorn.... curious.

This is the only reason for me to stay tuned.

(* WARNING!!! probably negativity included in next part*)

PJ really made a hilarious LOTR parody, due to all the plot and character changes and lame humour but once you're able to accept for yourself that you should separate it from the books one way or another and once you are able to fool yourself with the idea that PJ didn't ruin it on purpose, claiming to be such a huge Tolkien fan, well then you can watch it without having the idea PJ is getting away with something.
In one word or more : empty your mind, forget the books, watch the movies. Hollywood recipe. Perhaps then you'll like it. Strange this doesn't apply to me, though.


[Edited on 25/11/2003 by virumor]
You should drink more Vir, I often forget my own name, along with everything I ever read. Probably explains why I like the movies. Smile Smilie

I don't expect to see anything that even remotely matches the book, and wouldn't be surprised if Anduril has been gotten rid of, cos Aragorn wouldn't want a second hand sword, he'd want a new shiny one...
I expect to see a movie with lots of Orcses dying in amusing ways, some big explosions and pretty special FX. In some places there may be a resemblance to a book I once read, this will be a bonus. Virumor is right, but I love it for that exact same fact.
Likewise, Plastic. I just enjoy them for what they are. I find it frustrating when they move away from the plot (and don't forget I do tend to live and breath Tolkien), but I accept that is inevitable. I'd far rather have the option of being able to see them than not.

Okay there's a lot of people going to see them who will perhaps never read the books, and who will believe Arwen is some cool warrior chick, and that Faramir wasn't too disimilar to his brother etc, but that is their loss. When I heard a young girl in cinema behind me enthusing to her father how Legolas is really the lost king who will save the world in the end, I felt like shouting at her to go out and read the books. There was no need though. At some stage someone else will do that, or at least she will be deeply disappointed in the RotK when she sees it next month.

The thing is, I don't begrudge people the pleasure they get from watching these movies. They were made for entertainment, and that is what they are providing. Hopefully many of those people watching the films will then be tempted to read the books, and will come back and say, "Wow, loved the film, but the books are better."
Just be happy someone had the courage to make that series into a movie, and a movie about 5 billion people around the world agree was great. It takes a lot to stand up to Tolkien book fans!
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Likewise, Plastic. I just enjoy them for what they are. I find it frustrating when they move away from the plot (and don't forget I do tend to live and breath Tolkien), but I accept that is inevitable. I'd far rather have the option of being able to see them than not.


It feels like it's been a little while since I've said this, so for the sake of keeping tradition alive, I couldn't possibly agree with you more Val! In short, you've absolutley summed up my feelings (not that I haven't previously made them known).

I also get frustrated when PJ's films move away from the original source, and there are many things that bother me, but I too can understand that at some level (in the film medium) this is like you said, inevitable. And as I've said countless times, if you break it down though, the positives in the films do by far outweigh the negatives.

I too would far rather have the option of being able to see them than not have them at all, and at the end of the day, that's what solves the ultimate debate for me.

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Just be happy someone had the courage to make that series into a movie, and a movie about 5 billion people around the world agree was great. It takes a lot to stand up to Tolkien book fans!


Excellent point Andrea, and as I've said in the past, if nothing else, PJ does deserve some credit for taking on a nearly impossible task.
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Just be happy someone had the courage to make that series into a movie, and a movie about 5 billion people around the world agree was great. It takes a lot to stand up to Tolkien book fans!

5 billion ppl??? yeah, right. And again, you can't argue about opinions. No matter what 5 or 8 or 1000 billion ppl say, their opinion is not more important than the opinion of 1 individual. Of course, if a democratic referendum would be held on the question whether 'the movies are great or not', of course those 5 or 8 or 1000 billion ppl would win it, so the movies would be declared 'great'.

And OK, the movie is likely outstanding for a person who never read the books before, but for me it's just a bunch of rubbish. That's my opinion.

The whole discussion is pointless anyway : an opinion is an opinion and won't be changed by someone else pressing to change it, it will only become stronger.

So back to the topic : i think RotK will be more further from the book than TTT even, more characters left out, more departing from the story, some more Gimli acting like Jay Leno and more Orc heads rolling over the ground.
And the most important thing : the reunion of Arwen and Aragorn. (aawww)
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When I heard a young girl in cinema behind me enthusing to her father how Legolas is really the lost king who will save the world in the end, I felt like shouting at her to go out and read the books.


Ha ha! Those are my favourite moments in the Cinema, listening to those who know nothing, spout utter lies. I like to turn around and add to the lies, spreading disinformation among the nations youth. I hope to hear some of my lies come back to me as canonical info soon. It's happened before on other subjects...
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I hope to hear some of my lies come back to me as canonical info soon. It's happened before on other subjects...
Ooooooh! You are a mean one, Mr. Grinch. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
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I think Aragorn has been carrying Anduril around on his back ever since he left Rivendell, at first I thought he was carrying a bow, but never having seen him use a bow I now think that vertical object will turn out to be the sword of Elendil reforged and it was carried upside down to keep the moisture out of the scabbard. That way Elrond and Arwen don't have to show up until the wedding.

Actually, Aragorn did use his bow in FOTR during the scene in Moria where the Orcs attacked them in Balin's Tomb. And we can see from the ROTK trailer already, that Elrond will bring Anduril to Aragorn after it was reforged.
Also, from the ROTK photo guide, there are some pictures of Pippin and the palantir, but there's no guarantee it will appear in the theatrical version, maybe in the EE.
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