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I know Bugyfeanor said he was going to be away for a while but there are some others who have disappeared such as HobbitHomie05. Does anyone know where she is and if everything is alright. She hasn't logged on here since 25 May so my pm to her probably hasn't been read.

I'd like to know that she is OK and whether or not she is coming back.... can anyone help?

I think her parents somehow forbade her to be here.. Or on the net. Don't remember. You'll probably find it in one of the exodus threads.
After being around this site for a number of years, Vee, I've seen a lot of members come and suddenly disappear. Many are very enthusiastic and active for a couple of months, and then they just don't turn up any more. Often some people only turn up during school term times, while others are only around during vacations. A lot of new members have turned up after the release of each of the three films, but again, many of these seem to lose interest after a while. I think this is particularly true with the younger members, who's interests and hobbies perhaps fluctuate more regularly than those of older people.

It is always nice to see a missing member turn up again though.
Yup. I miss Evi, I wonder if she is okay. Sad Smilie Bugy, too...
I miss Kaimelar. She hasn't been here in ages. Aire too, but sh'es not coming back. Sad Smilie And Cano. Too many people have left.
Yeah, and now Ross is gone. He wrote me yesterday biding me farewell.
Man oh man, i'm always getting lost, or at least i'm coming and disappearing randomly.

Note to self: " Get a home broadband connection! "

This way i can annoy my special matey Vee more often! heh

Bad King Smilie
Annoy? But Aelric, you aren't annoying just entertaining in a laddish sort of way.
I had a PM from HobbitHomie05!!!!!!!

She is alive and well.


Phew!
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Aire too, but sh'es not coming back


How come Aire's not coming back? I haven't talked to her in months, and I miss her Sad Smilie

Also, has anyone heard from Prog?
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How come Aire's not coming back? I haven't talked to her in months, and I miss her

Personal reasons. She is currently away with her family on a vacation (she'll be back in about 8 days) but if you want me to I can pass on a msg for you. Smile Smilie

How many people disappear? I mean, I have heard of a few cases where a regular at a chat room or forum suddenly disappear and not have been heard of and they actually are missing. I hope it never happens to me... Very Sad Smilie Very Sad Smilie Very Sad Smilie Very Sad Smilie
if i would disappear it would be probobly because of my parents,because they are very annoying sometimes.But if i would go on vacation i would probobly say to all of you, that i'm going...
By the way, in case any of you think I have recently joined the ranks of missing members, let me assure you I am still alive and well. We have hit a busy season at work and I have just spent the past 11 days at sea guarding certain cockles (bless 'em) while allowing others to be ravished and pillaged until the fishermen's hearts be content. The season is almost over, after which things should gradually sink back to normality (except I'm soon getting married, so realistically I can kiss goodbye to normality until I get another divorce).

Sorry if any of you have missed me (Val who???). Hopefully the normal service shall be resumed by the end of the month.
Actually I had wondered where you had been. Glad it's just been work that has kept you away. Cool Smilie
out of curiosity stoney can you tell us why ross is leaving?(if its some personal reason forget i mentioned it)



TOO BAD FOR ALL YALL IM HERE TO STAY!
Good! I like Instant Messaging! Ha Ha Ha Smilie

As you probably remember, in early July there was some clashes between different views on things on this board. I think Ross was a bit more upset than the rest of us.

Also I think most of those members he used to interact the most with has left/are here extremely rarely. It's a different community now. I must say I have felt the same from time to time, only AmariŽ and Tommie are left from my "old days" here. Celeb is gone, Gnampie, Eryan, Littleirena, Plastic etc, etc. (Gone as in you can't expect to find them here, only an occasional bonus) Lady Erbies and Nil are far less frequent, only Vee seem to be a stayer. Hmmm.. 2+2=... I think Tommie will be the next Concil Member! Big Smile Smilie Yay!
i dunno grev,it has nothing to do with me but i think you have a fair shot at being the next council member.......................................................................


(i just came about a fraction of a centimeter from crushing my toe under my computer chair)

sad that all these people are leaving or not coming often(personally i think it has to do with the threads slowing down,by that i mean there are only about 7 or 8 active threads at one time,and most dont last long)i remember gnampie,even though i think he left before i joined.


PLASTICS GONE!?
What Grev said concerning Ross is correct. He wrote me because we've known each other here almost two years.

I joined October (22?) 2002, about the same time Amarie joined I think. It's kind of weird seeing all those peopel come and go over the months.
Unfortunately, it is the nature of the beast (Internet) that people come and go. Our lives change and we just move on to other things. With the end of the anticipation of the movies a lot of people have lost interest in discussing Tolkien, not to mention that over the last 5 years most topics have been exhausted (although, I see no reason why they cannot be ressurected for feedback from people who have joined our ranks in the last year or so.)
I agree that the boards are becoming boring,and not for lack of trying to drum up some discussion. But some have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.
I am grateful for the times that Plastic, Eryan and gnampie come in to say hello. I know that they are very busy with life and I love to hear from them. I am very sure gnampie is very busy as a new working mom.
Some former members did not like it when the site applied for and received family friendly status. Well, you can't please everyone of course. But we try to do our best to address any problems or concerns that arise.
Ditto on what Rednell said.

When I first joined a few years ago only a few of the members had more than 100 posts under their belts. Even then, though, I noticed that some of the higher posters did not seem to be active anymore. In the past few years I have seen a lot of people come and go. It is not something new. It is something that has been happening since the site started. Like Nell said, it is the nature of the Internet. Lives change, and particularly with younger members quite quickly. On this sort of site, someone who stays around for more than six months can be concidered part of the furniture. It is sad when fellow members leave, for whatever reason, but it is not unusual. We all have lives.

Some say the forum is slowing down, becoming boring etc. That may be so. I find a lot of the beefy topics have already been discussed to death, but they are still there open for discussion. It takes people to post in these topics to keep them going. Takes people to ask questions to promote new discussions. Reading between the lines in other threads I feel some people are blaming the council for this state of affairs. Although we try to keep the site interesting, though, we cannot do it alone. If members want to see an interesting site they need to contribute. That is what made the site so interesting in the past, and what it needs once more if it is to attract regular members.

And just a quick point about what Rednell said about the Family Friendly site bit. Over half our members are under 16. We want this site to be safe for them which means having fairly strict rules. I do not apologise for those rules. They are there for a reason. Unfortunately, since adopting those rules some of the site's most prolific posters have left because they miss the "adult/political" discussions they once enjoyed here. That is sad, and I miss them, but it is their choice. The rules are there for a reason. More recently, a number of members decided they no longer wanted to be part of a site which would not tolerate bad language, adult subjects or bullying. Again that was their choice. Unfortunately, some of those members were not mature enough to just leave quietly as others had done in the past, and to be honest the noise they made blew the whole situation quite out of proportion giving the impression the site is in a crisis. That, however, is a sacrifice we make to ensure this site is safe for minors.

I don't think we are in crisis, and I don't think we have seen a mass exodus. People come and go in a steady trickle. They touch our lives and they are missed. Unfortunately, the longer you stay here, the more of these people you will see arrive and drift away.
Most of those who have left have had all their questions satisfied and no longer felt the need to participate. Those who have stuck around for a lengthy period also have had most of their questions answered, but look forward to seeing the questions that new people bring. Many times these new questions will put a different slant on a problem, which starts a new discussion, and the oldtimers learn something new, as well as just sharing their interpetation of the canon (the writings of Middle-earth according to Tolkien.).
u guys forgot that plastic has been missing! he prob felt bad that we accepted his Council resign.

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u guys forgot that plastic has been missing! he prob felt bad that we accepted his Council resign

I think that was the point in his resignation. Plastic has a new full-time job and I am sure what little spare time he manages is taken up with his family and music. He plays gigs and I do believe he has a new CD in the works.
Fear not, Plastic still loves us, he is just a very very busy squirrel. Smile Smilie
If I might comment on the family friendly issue a bit...? I don't mind beeing family friendly. Swearing is never necessary, though it might be realistic in a story/rpg about pirates/war etc.

I have only one "problem" with the family friendlyness - it doesn't fit my cultural background. To me as a Norwegian it is strange that we can write gory details of brutal battles, but not mention a female br.. eh.. "baby food dispencer" Wink Smilie . If this board was moderated according to Norwegian values nudity and sex would be OK, as long as it was in a relevant setting. Tobacco and alcohol, however would be out, regardless! Smile Smilie

As I come from a country with only 4.5 mill people, I don't expect anyone to really care that much about what we think. I'm used to that, and don't mind it. But perhaps others do? Brits? Germans? Poles? The rules outlined by the family friendly organization to me seem to have a quite American "flavour". Which is very understandable and OK, as a larger portion of our members are from the US than any other country. Also the youngest, I believe?

The point is that I'm not completely sure that all those beeing critical of the family friendly rules are so because they are against beeing family friendly, but because the rules are a bit.. um.. non-sensical to them.

Most of those leaving this site has done so because they no longer was excited when opening it. "Oh! I wonder what has happenend since yesterday!" After a while you are pretty sure what has happened, even before you look. Basically, I'm not expecting any big surprises on the right hand side tomorrow. Smile Smilie If for some reason then the habit of coming here are broken (work, school, illness, UFO's in the garden..) then the urge to take it up again simply isn't there anymore. Moving on isn't necessarily such a bad thing either. Exploring something new usually is better than same old, same old. Although that too can have it's value. Smile Smilie
I agree; But whenever I know of a member that hasn't visted in a while I always like to send a PM to see if the reasons they left were something we could help or fix... Like other members that are abusive to them, ect..
I still find PT nice to visit, and exciting. I don't visit as much anymore because of family problems, internet problems, and so on. I think many of our younger members will be minified now that the school season is steadily approaching.
The FF guidelines seem to fit in well here; after all Tolkien rarely referred to anything remotely erotic or of a sexual nature, never used swear words or profanities and apart from pipe-weed he avoided any drug/alcohol abuse in his writing.

I understand what you are saying, Grev, but the internet, as you know, is not just one culture but many cultures meeting. Yes, the FF guidelines seem a little restricting but when there is a group of cultures it seems fitting to apply guidelines to avoid as much offence as possible.

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Contains no adult-themed or sexually explicit text, images, or photographs
Does not accept advertising for alcohol, tobacco, gambling, or pornography
Does not promote hate, violence or discrimination in any way
Does not promote any illegal substances or activities
Posts and enforces rules in its chat rooms and forums to prohibit
1. Sexually explicit language
2. Profanity
3. Remarks that disparage or ridicule other people


Remember it is the parents who will read the FF guidelines and decide whether their children should be allowed to participate in a site. I don't know if there are any other sites such as the FF Website but this is probably the only way to dispel parental fears. It is not necessarily what is said but how and where it is said. Breasts are neither sexually explicit nor pornographic until someone puts them into that context.

I was not bothered one way or the other by the FF rules before I became a CM here.I stuck to them then and I will uphold them now because of the number of young members here. It is finding a middle ground for parents to feel comfortable in allowing their children to wander round here and leaving the parenting and education of their children regarding sex, drugs etc to the parents while at the same time offering a place for discussion and participation by adults as well. I simply do not understand why someone has a hissy fit because they cannot use swear words.

The internet as a whole can be a dangerous place, not just for children so let's be happy that this site is deemed safe for them. The restrictions are not that bad and just require a little awareness. Just thinking of some of the fantasy posts that could be made regarding Legolass makes me cringe.... !
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Basically, I'm not expecting any big surprises on the right hand side tomorrow. If for some reason then the habit of coming here are broken (work, school, illness, UFO's in the garden..) then the urge to take it up again simply isn't there anymore


I hope that anyone who feels like that still peeps in occasionally to see how things are going. The Council have a few surprises up their sleeves - not always able to implement things immediately but they will happen eventually,some sooner than you think!

A few embers need stirring. The Council can poke the fire but we need members to fuel it - not literally of course, I would not advocate burning any of our members.
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and apart from pipe-weed he avoided any drug/alcohol abuse in his writing.

Aha! Yes! But alcohol abuse would be OK, alcohol in a pleasant setting (e.g. a beer in a tavern) would not! Smile Smilie In Norway wine/beer etc are considered "alcohol", and the only purpose of drinking it is to get drunk. In Britan and Germany it is considered food. The alcohol content is sometimes considered a bonus, and sometimes a backside. It is considered harmless and positive to have a beer in pleasant company. Never in (official) Norway. (Silly? Yes. Are Norwegians tired of this? Yes. )

What we do in Norway is completely uninteresting for anyone but ourselves. (and we too are loosing interest! Tongue Smilie ) The point is that Norway is very close to both UK and Germany, and culturally and historically we have a lot in common. But still there are quite big differences on some issues. How big a difference must there then not be for our members from Romania, Croatia, Turkey, India or Venezuela? Exactly as you say Vee, the internet is a meeting place for a lot of cultures. That is why one size does not fit all.

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Does not promote any illegal substances or activities

The laws of which nation? In the Netherlands some "substances" are legal, In Norway and Canada downloading music off the net is legal. The iPod is illegal in Australia.

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2. Profanity

Which religion? We have a few here. Christianity in all its shapes, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, humanism and probably also Wicca.

We have been talking about cows and bacon on this board lately... (not that they would care. I live in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood in Germany. They couldn't care less if non-muslims eat pork, in fact they serve it in their restaurants. Smile Smilie )



Just to ba a bit difficult! Big Smile Smilie
As I said in preivous post, I accept the rules. No problems with me. That the location of our youngest members is taken into account is also very sensible. Just wanted to nitpick a bit! Tongue Smilie

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I hope that anyone who feels like that still peeps in occasionally to see how things are going.

At least some do. Celeb pops by from time to time and visit the party tree. (that is also all) She say happy birthday to those members she used to know here. As almost none of them are here anymore I'm not sure how long she'll keep it up, but.. oh well.

I don't think it is lack of features that "drive" people away, or lack of changes to the site. Clearly there is a lot of interesting stuff on Taz's to-do list, but people come here for content, not presentation. Although good content when presented well is very much a winner!! Big Smile Smilie Nor is it because the Council isn't doing enough. Not sure what more you should be doing? Hire people to post?

Of course everyone always say it was better in the old days. Still not always the case! Smile Smilie But I believe we all feel that the forum lately has been dominated by "ideling" and "gap-filling" posts? Not sure what to do with it though... Given the demographics here there are limits to how deep into the substance of Ea you can go and still expect people to follow you. Which leaves us with a lot of topics in the "Tolkien for beginners"- category. Nothing wrong with that, but those that develope a deeper interest here will then seek elsewhere. And we shouldn't be sad when they leave primary school, should we? A human is happiest when it developes. Smile Smilie
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That is why one size does not fit all.


True, which is why we should assume those guidelines for the good of the majority. If something is illegal in the majority of countries then it should be taken into account and not promoted here. Maybe 'majority' is too definite a term but I am sure you understand my point.

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Does not promote any illegal substances or activities

The laws of which nation? In the Netherlands some "substances" are legal, In Norway and Canada downloading music off the net is legal. The iPod is illegal in Australia.


I would expect people from those countries to respect the majority of laws but everything has to be taken in context. Someone from The Netherlands promoting the use of substances which are clearly illegal in many other countries should be told not to do so. With such a multi-cultural mix it is by consensus that we enforce these guidelines but common sense also has to be used.

Why are iPods illegal in Australia? If Australia stands alone then talking about iPods is not a breach of the FF guidelines.

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2. Profanity

Which religion? We have a few here. Christianity in all its shapes, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, humanism and probably also Wicca.


Again, common sense. Yes, I know you are nitpicking, you naughty person! The Council Members ,as moderators are the ones who have to decide whether something is against the guidelines. I think most of us have a good idea what profanity refers to. I would interpret it as 'treating another's religious beliefs with contempt or insult' ( taken from the Chambers dictionary ).

I'm sorry Norway has such an odd view of alcohol but I doubt you are alone. However, it is acceptable in the majority of countries with or without restrictions. It is not acceptable to promote its use to underage drinkers and though that may differ from country to country it is still possible to determine when it is OK or not to talk about it. Tales of drunken debauchery and alcohol fuelled rages are not suitable material for here.

It is a struggle. We must adhere to the guidelines while allowing others their freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not, in this context, mean one can say anything regardless of how it affects others. All of us must apply awareness of others. Common sense, context and awareness must all be considered.

Oh boy, I do go on.... and on and on........
**a-hem**,

If I may put in my two-cents' worth, I am a new member to this site, with very few posts, as you can see. But in defense of this, the best Tolkien-based website, the FF policies are quite acceptable and to people of respectable mind, very welcome. It is refreshing to see such strict guidelines of use and regard for the younger and more conservative members. Also, I do not find that the forums are at all slow or lacking momentum-those who may think so should consider that when it comes to a subject as dearly loved as the one PT deals with, there is no end to the different perspectives that can be offered by all. I love this site and have already recommended it to a few of my fellow Tolkien-lovers. If I may be so bold, I have an idea for a survey that would allow members to voice their opinions. Maybe there could be questions involving what they would like to see most in the forums or as a new feature. I am sorry if this has already been done, and thank you for hearing me out! Rolling Eyes Smilie
Thanks - a nice fresh view.

Feel free to post suggestions - Website Talk - Website Suggestions is the place. The Council will consider all suggestions.

I am glad you are enjoying PT and long may it continue!

Thank you Laurelindhe ilmarin. Lovely name. Smile Smilie
This site has had a serious 'face lift', and we are in a starting face now. We need suggestions on what our members would like this site to contain. So let your imagination run free and let us know. Deal Smilie
Thank you so much for the nice welcome. If you don't mind, I actually do have a (small) suggestion, though I realize, of course, that to do it may take time and effort-when a new member is asked to choose a realm to be from, such as fair Lothlorien or Minas Tirith, etc., would it be possible also to include a couple of the "older" realms, such as Gondolin and Nargothrond and the old Minas Tirith, or perhaps a couple of the realms of Valinor, such as Lorien or Alqualonde, or even Tol Eressea or Numenore...etc. etc. etc. Elf Rolling Eyes Smilie Just a thought. Also I am quite willing to help with anything that a silly newbie like myself can possibly do, I am not just here to take and not give back. And yes I will become a supporter as soon as my budget allows it, I promise. I have been a member of several of the other(lesser!) Tolkien-based sites for years off and on, and by far, yours is tops! So brilliant job! Elf With a Big Grin Smilie And also, great FAQ's&info.Very informative!

Oh, one last thing, Amarie, your name is a song in itself. Thanks for the love!
I take it back, I decided to just do it and become a supporter. Does anyone know how much a pound comes out to be in American dollars? Isn't it about 1 pound-about 1 dollar and fifty cents?
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And also, great FAQ's&info


Wiggle Smilie


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I take it back, I decided to just do it and become a supporter. Does anyone know how much a pound comes out to be in American dollars? Isn't it about 1 pound-about 1 dollar and fifty cents?
Wohooo!! Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie
1.76 the foreign currency calculator says.

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Oh, one last thing, Amarie, your name is a song in itself.
Yes, I like it a lot, even better now then when I chose it. It means 'good'. My real name means 'war', so it would be AuthŽ or Authiel (in sindarin), but even that sounds nice! Got to love Tolkiens for making such lovely languages. In Love Smilie
Nilgaerien and Gildor are back!! I wonder who else will turn up....
Look here everybody!!
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Posted Tuesday 17th August 2004 (10:39am) in Hey, y'all

Anyone here actually remember me? I see a lot of new names and less of the old timers: Red, Val, Grondy, Plastic, Mellie, Chika, Allyssa, Tommie, Taz, Gimli, Aire, Peredhil... how are you guys?? Long time no chat, eh? I've been spending waaay too much time in RL and I was thinking about things I used to do for R&R. Then I thought- "Hey! I wonder how all my old PT friends are doing?"

So, what about it guys? How are things?


WOOHOOOO!!! Big Smile Smilie
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I see a lot of new names and less of the old timers: Red, Val, Grondy, Plastic, Mellie, Chika, Allyssa, Tommie, Taz, Gimli, Aire, Peredhil... how are you guys??

Hey, hehe, I'm an old timer, too. Elf Rolling Eyes Smilie
Welcome back Prog! Look Around Smilie
IM HERE!! i was kinda busy being the end of the school year and then the summer! but you shall be seeing more of me!! and i shall never loose interest in tolkien!! NEVER!! but i did read a very amusing tolkien joke in readers digest today, How many quarters do you need to play the new Lord of the Rings pinball? None, it only takes tolkiens.. HAHA!! that one was a very good joke i thought!!
I've just had a lovely letter from BugyFeanor! He asks me to send his very best wishes to all here - he misses everyone and Planet-Tolkien but he should be back with us in September. In particular he asks me to send LadyFearwen hugs, kisses and love!

The letter was dated 12 July but it only arrived today! Bad postal services... they must be employing orcs.

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When are they not??

But its good to know old Bugy's doing well. Wink Smilie
i miss lordaragorn!! when is he coming back? or is he already here and i just missed it?
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i miss lordaragorn!! when is he coming back? or is he already here and i just missed it?


I think LA mentioned a few months ago that he was moving to somewhere where he would not have an internet connection. He was sad to be leaving us, but had no option.
He is back home in India but has managed to pop in thanks to Internet Cafes, both to the chatroom and the occasional post in the Taverns.

Keep watching - he'll be around again sometime.

I knew about him moving.. well i hope he comes back soon!
I miss him too, but he'll be back when he can. He loves us. Smile Smilie Since I for some odd reason can't send him SMS, we'll use the good old 'snail-mail'.
is darous gone?does anyone know why rawien is leaving?(i know im a busybody)
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when the site applied for family friendly status
i thought it started out like that?
So what does HobbitHomie05 say about coming back or not, Vee? Love to see her round again.
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