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You made an excellent point Swampfaye about he differences between English (and American) fantasy and fantasy written in other countries.
It's very true and it already has been remarked by others - I recently read a very interesting paper on that same topic. Among others, his postAuthorID pointed out that in countries with a long tradition of freedom and democracy people really believe that all depends on their own efforts, while in totalitarian, oppressive regimes they learn quickly than they cannot really control fully their lives. So happy endings seem to them unrealistic.
But the stories about heroes which are defeated but unconquered, fighting valiantly until the end, were always particularly moving... Do you remember Hector of Troy? Or the last stand of Spartans at Thermopile? Or death of Vercingetorix the Gall (what a shame for Julius Caesar!)? Or death of Roland?
again, those are *histories* not myths...

How about Cucuhlain? Lots of Celtic myths end tragically. I like your point about democracy breeding "happy ending" - maybe this is why English/American movies and culture is so popular abroad.
Those are some interesting points about happy endings. I will remember them for discussion at my next class on novel writing.

Have discussed the topic on a marketing level at school. It seems that stories with happy endings sell well, so publishers want to print that sort of thing. I think most people want a happy ending. I like them myself!

I dont think happy endings can be cliche - "...I am just writing an ending for it. I had thought of putting: and he lived happily ever afterwards to the end of his days. It is a good ending, and none the worse for having been used before."
I remember the ending of a fairytale someone was telling in a movie once.
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And they lived happily ever after until they came to a tin bridge which they crossed.
That is the type of happy ending to the Aragorn and Arwen fairytale.

It allows for a bit of realism when the bloom falls from the love affair; when Snow White gets tired of Prince Charming and they go their separate ways; when Cinderella decides she is bored sitting around all day looking pretty and wants to open her own house cleaning business.
That's why I prefer the Sam/ Rosie happy ending. No one doubts they will be happy because our expectations for them are not so high as they are for Aragorn/ARwen or Cinderella/Prince Charming. I believe in true love... but it still needs to be tended... just like a garden - and I'm sure Sam's very attentive to his garden of love Smile Smilie Smile Smilie
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That's why I prefer the Sam/ Rosie happy ending. No one doubts they will be happy because our expectations for them are not so high as they are for Aragorn/ARwen or Cinderella/Prince Charming. I believe in true love... but it still needs to be tended... just like a garden - and I'm sure Sam's very attentive to his garden of love Smile Smilie Smile Smilie


That's really sweet Swampfaye. I see Sam and Rosie in a much better light now. And Plastic thought I was odd for liking Sam....give me a romantic anytime! Big Smile Smilie Wink Smilie
Yes - but when Rosie was dead Sam (instead of dying and following her) went to Valinor to Frodo!!!
But his trip to Valinor was probably just a temporary side trip on his way to be with Rosie for the duration. Smile Smilie
Who knows, who knows?
It was a detour... a shortcut

shortcut to what? (hehehe)
THAT'S IT!!
I'VE HAD IT WITH INTERNET, COMPUTERS AND THIS STUPID WEBSITE (sorry Taz, no offence intended, just ranting and raving)
arggghhh
everytime i want to open a new browser window, i always have to relogin or i forget to and the whole crap of s*it that i write gets lost!!! i must have disabled cookie or something

i wrote a really really really long, thoughtful and intelligent (yeah right) post on this thread and the stupid website lost it....TWICE!!! argh i've had it, but i'm giving it one more go, cos i haven't posted here for ages and it's fun

so, getting back to the topic, yeah, happy endings, well, i personally really liked the ending Tolkien gave to this book and thought it was a rather happy one. i know it wasn;t a "and they rode off into hazy sunset and lived happily after in an enchanted castle" type happy ending, but it a was much more realistic 'happy' ending to what a lot of ppl describe as the 20th century myth/fairytale.

(argh and then i went off tangent and went on and on about structuralism and stuff... can't be bothered anymore! hey, i'm doing you ppl a favour)

Big Smile Smilie
Chill Rosie, the cookies appear to have gone on holiday for a bit. Try not using new windows.

Would have liked to have read your post though.
I just HATE open endings, don't you? I mean, you don't go through about 500 pages of reading to find out there's no ending to a book! Awful! :o
Just like life; you have traveled its path right up to the present time, and you haven't a clue as to where it is going let alone, how it will all end. All you can do is, as the famous Yankee once said,
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When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
:rolleyes
Agree with Tom here, I like books to be resolved in some way, even if it is not happy.
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When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
Otherwise it could burst someone's tires :grin
ROFL! We thought about that the same way, Plastic! Very Big Grin Smilie
Now that is scary Paranoid Smilie
It is, innit? Wary Smilie

Talking of open endings, we recently saw a film with an awful open ending at school (the film lasted for 2 hours and 50 minutes only to end in NOTHING!!! So Angry Smilie ). And now we have to write the ending!!!! So Angry Smilie So Angry Smilie