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I wonder what could have given them that idea? Big Smile Smilie Oh, by the way, welcome to the forum Hallavasion. Smile Smilie


Greetings Hallavasion. May we call you Hal?

Does your name have a meaning btw?

Orcs and ignorance. True, there was a shortage of Orc academys and universities in Mordor. But I think it goes a bit deeper than that. I feel that Orcs were also brainwashed by their master and whatever religion they followed (cult of Morgoth?).


Brainwashing is pretty much a routine procedure for dictatorships (see: George Orwell 1984 for example) and Sauron was no exception. He made them believe they hated things like music and nature, that emotions like pity were a weakness and that pleasure can be derived only from the suffering of others.

Orcs are a pitiable creatures who hate the elves primarily out of fear. Elves did hunt and kill them after all! Probably for reasons the orcs couldn't fully understand.

Should elves hate or pity orcs? I can never really make up my mind...
Alyssa, good speech. After that i think you might be right about orcs just being like little tin soldiers. My father Rinlaithion said that the orcs were here for us to kill as they were abominations of the enemy and that they don't deserve to live. I should talk to Gandalf and Elrond about this. They might give me the same speech that you gave and they might not
So suppose we put one of each on an hostile planet, where in order to survive they would have to work together. Would the result be the same as in 'Enemy Mine' or would they still kill each other off out of habit?
I have my information from Elrond. He hates orcs naturally, but Gandalf has some pity for them.

I am one of Elrond's many hangers-on at Rivendel. I am orphaned, and he took pity on me and let me live there. He is such a sucker for a sob-story! : )
I guess i should have pity on them as well. Trying to sucker Elrond is a despicable thing to do. Maybe I could get legolas to punish you Wink Smilie . Oh well. Maybe we should finish of the orcs by killing the source( ie Saruman and Sauron). I mean the Uruk-Hai are starting to annoy me.
Elrond is a sucker in the nicest possible way. Rivendel seems to be full of retired rangers, hobbits and dwarves. Elrond and his elves look after them all! But I think part of the reason he keeps them around is because they amuse him and keep him company.

Such a nice guy really. Nothing at all like the HW Elrond, but dont get me started.....
Orcs... SPIT!!!... They are toilets.

Pity them? Why take the fun away? The only reason I kill them at two hundred paces is I can't stand the stink!

Uruks? I wouldn't feed them to my chetmigs....
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Maybe we should finish of the orcs by killing the source( ie Saruman and Sauron). I mean the Uruk-Hai are starting to annoy me.

Well my elfy friend, everyone knows orcs are harder to kill than a rabid grizzly bear on steroids, so I wouldn't even bother to try if I was you. Killing the source would probaly confuse 'em for a while, but unfortunatly theres always another source to replace the source that you killed...damn sources So Angry Smilie ...actualy the orcs are probaly being led by one of my collage tutors, Phill. Damn that guy is scary.
As for the Uruk-Hai, well, we're not all bad Disturbed Smilie


[Edited on 22/4/2002 by Grondmaster]
Acctualy Orcs arn't toilets. Its pretty easy to tell the difference. If its standing still, has a lid and ahas a roll of toilet paper next to it then its definetly a toilet, but if its trying to chew your legs off then its definatly an Orc (or a rabid hobbit, take your pick)


And if its poking you with a pointy stick and yelling "Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberrys" then its probaly ME!
I'm sorry, I know their evil, but I'm on the Orcs (and the rabid hobbits) side...but only cause they look like my cat Sooty (Damn he was one ugly moggy!)Disturbed Smilie
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Acctualy Orcs arn't toilets. Its pretty easy to tell the difference. If its standing still, has a lid and ahas a roll of toilet paper next to it then its definetly a toilet

Then again I could be wrong. It might be a really smart Orc thats dressed up as a toilet!

[Edited on 4/5/2002 by Halo_Black]
Orcs= dum dums

But no one is dissing being a dum dum. I've known some dum dum elves in my time....
Celeborn top of the "Dumb Elves" list? shame on you Arwen, he is your grandfather! Wink Smilie

On the other hand, he could be just very highly strung. Big Smile Smilie
Welcome to the forum ArwenEvenstar. Smile Smilie Your name sounds familiar; weren't you here before, or am I thinking of someone else?
Dumb Elves? Theres more than a few of those! Them stoopid gaurds in Mirkwood letting the dwarves go. that was dumb. them that were there in that there Gondolin they were not to bright in thinking they were so safe and hidden. Tongue Smilie and that king in Doriath.... (Melians hubbie) for sending a human on an impossible mission and not realising that if you send ANYONE on an impossible mission they're likely to return successful......Had he never seen "Mission Impossible"????!!!
The smarter elves consist of myself Tongue Smilie , (for staying out of trouble for so long) Galadriel (for putting up with the nonsence her hubby came out with and therefore making herself look better) Elrond(for getting everyone else to do his dirty work for him) and Arwen (for usurping Glorfindel in recieving the movie rights)
well anyway, Do I have a point? Not sure.....hmm...well ok thats it!
It takes all types to fill a village. In any group no matter their race or creed you are going to get smart ones and dumb ones, good apples and bad ones; that's the flaw in stereotyping.

Cirdan, I thought your examples were hilarious. Big Smile Smilie
LOL - me too! except for Elrond. He was kind of "retired" from active combat, I think. And he had to keep Vilya safe.
yes, damn those orcs! the fact that they've been tortured (long ago, half of them never actually felt that pain...) to be changed into the actul orcs, there's no reason to take it out on the rest of us. STUPID ORCS!
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STUPID ORCS!

Very Big Grin Smilie
Whoa! Calm down Alakdhol! Keep in mind that orcs AIN'T REALLY REAAAALLLLL! *gasps for breath* Whew...now if you'll excuse me I've gotta go take my medication Disturbed Smilie

[Edited on 7/08pm02/1984 by Halo_Black]
I dunno. I'm pretty sure my 9th grade math teacher was an orc! Big Laugh Smilie
orcs aint stupid theye r merley missunderstud theye luve to reed and philososize and at tymes will do stuf that hass to do with sceince clearly Hallavasione u are egregoiusly unninformed and as a fynal parthian shot i will aske yu how many orcs have yu knew jus as i thunk none
Orcs aren't bad shot's they managed to kill Isildur!

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Orcs aren't bad shot's they managed to kill Isildur!
Even with the parallax of water they got him.

Question: When swimming away from Orcs wearing your working armor, how hard is it to keep off the bottom of the river, lake, or sea. I always figured that anyone who jumped in the water to get away, while wearing armor to be quite stupid. Chain mail and a plate hauberk should counteract any tendency of a body to float, not to mention their sword and helm. Duck Smilie
Grondy, I have also wondered about that. I know that when I have jumped in a pool fully clothed, (shorts, t-shirt and tennis shoes) that I felt like I weighed a million pounds. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to stay afloat with armor on. Granted, Isildur did not want to be close to the top of the water and his armor should have kept him far enough down towards the bottom that the orcs could not have seen him. Unless, of course it was a really bright sunny day, in crystal clear water.

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orcs aint stupid theye r merley missunderstud theye luve to reed and philososize and at tymes will do stuf that hass to do with sceince clearly Hallavasione u are egregoiusly unninformed and as a fynal parthian shot i will aske yu how many orcs have yu knew jus as i thunk none



lol Excelsior


Oh, and Prog, I think my 4th grade teacher, as well as my 8th grade science teacher were both orcs. Well, are there female orcs?


[Edited on 6/26/2003 by MelliotSandybanks]
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Well, are there female orcs?
Sure there were. Haven't you heard of the world's most famous precision dance troupe, who recently celebrated their 75th anniversary. I think they are called the "Radio City Orkettes". Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie

Besides, where do the little orcs come from? I'm sure no self-respecting stork would deliver them to the daddy orcs. Orc Grinning Smilie
i (although im not entirely sure) believe the samurai would learn the art of "swimming with armour"
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ill find out and post with the results of my research Wink Smilie
Bottom line. It is stupid to try to swim from Orcs if you are in armor and they have bows! Even if you do have The One Ring!
I think that orcs still have the same traits as elves knowing the land and being able to travel quickly. There must have been a lot of elves in the elder days because there aer like tones of orcs!
Maybe Sauron gave medals and prices to the lady orcs who gave birth to many children, who would eventually join the army, an idea Hitler copied not so long ago.. And the reason we still haven't heard about lady orcs is that after giving birth to number 3 they all move further south where the climate is better, and healthy baby orcs can be born. There they wobble around constantly pregnant waiting to send their kids of to " orc school". Nearby we also find the missing entwives and movie-Glorfindel, a long with Virumors, AulŽs and Ross' ability to discuss something rationally and their ability to see things from another piont of view. Wink Smilie *thihi, just had to. Sorry guys!*
Apparently Orcs are very fertile, while we all know that 90 percent of Elves are sterile. Or maybe Orcs must be numerous because that is the only way for the dark forces to keep an advantage : Orcs can't fight at all, even Gimli, the shortest guy east of the Misty Mountains can harvest them like grain.

And orcs are all equally ugly, i think all orcs are swinging blades, even the ladies.

[Edited on 16/10/2003 by virumor]
I must say that I like Valedhelgwath's representation of orcs in his fan fic: Grud, a Day in the Life of an Orc. Its pretty close to how I imagined orcish life to be.
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Dont dis da Orcs! Im en Orc !! AAAaaaggggGGHHHH!!!
"Ugly, brutish and short." Which is also an apt description of their life. Elf Sticking Tounge Out Smilie
Not true! Well, not quite. My orc, Pretkag, is wonderful, intelligent, thoughtful and he tells a good story. So nyer nyer nyer to you!
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"Ugly, brutish and short."

You made a typo. It should've been "Ugly, british and short."
Now now Virumor! You forgot to add your Orc Grinning Smilie, an Elf Winking Smilie, or a Elf With a Big Grin Smilie to the end of your above spelling error(?) correction. Until they get to know you, some people might believe you were serious. Or were you? Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I think the fact that Statler is peeping up there, already says enough..
Okay, nuff said.
Just this Orc Smiling Smilie Orcish home is battlefield so that makes them, at least the first of them(serving under Melkor) who survived, fiersome fighters.