Thread: War Movies
Perhaps i'll check it out then. But i seem to have some sort of phobic aversion to war movies. That's why i avoided saving private ryan and the thin red line like the plague. War movies are so violent and bloody and..yucky.
You're right about war movies Rosie. Sad truth is that WAR is violent, bloody and yucky.
Technically, isn't TLoR a war movie? I wonder how graphic the battle scenes in TTT and ToTK will be?
If you don't like bloody and yucky and nasty, then don't see it Rosie, it's supposed to be like the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan, only for 2 1/2 hours
And the violence in all three Lotr films is supposed to be Majorly nasty, that's why they've made Orc blood black, to get round the censors!
Yuk! Black blood. Suits the Orcs.
My guess is there will be a lot of action and violence and stuff in the next two movies. Maybe that's also cos there is a lot of battling in the book.
But it's different in LOTR, they're not real people and you KNOW that it's all fake and everything..
but war movies that are based on real events, like all the Vietnam war movies and etc are all the more horrifying because you feel that it must have been something like that on the battle field.
Uhuh. Agree. But I always liked watching war movies. Especially the ones about WWII. Don't know why. But I liked them, like Guns of Navarone, and Bridge over the River Kwai. Just that they are designed to be war movies, and LOTR isn't. It's not a war book, it's a quest book.
That's why Saving Private Ryan is such a great movie (well the opening bit anyway) cos it actually shows just how horrific it really must have been in those landings, rather than glorifying the whole thing like so many other movies have done before.
Plastic: I agree. But Lotr still isn't. No, seriously: I agree. War movies should be like that. You can't glorify a war as horrible as WW II or the Vietnam war, or any war. You should picture it the way it was.
Plastic - wahddya mean R. Scott never did a bad movie - GI Jane with Demi Moore -awful jingoistic stuff - probably just as bad as his new Black Hawk Down. What a load of nonsense. Scott did 2 great movies (Alien and Bladerunner) and lots of OK movies. Don't worry about violence. Its humanities favorite theme. From Greek theatre, Ovid, the Classics Shakespeare right up to today. But of course there is a world of difference between Saving, Thin Red Line, Johnny get your gun, even Peckingpah's Cross of Iron, and THE DEFINITIVE war movie Elem Klimov's "Come and See" and Kubricks Paths of Glory..... the list goes on and crappy Hamburger Hill, Top Gun, Green berets style stuff with les boys.... Don't throw away the movie just because its a war movie. Forget about the John Waynes and the Charlton Hestons; There are some really good mlovies, using war thematics. Pity too miss them. And for Plastic musn't forget the all time great Ingrid War movie "For Whom the Bell tolls".
Don't worry about violence. Its humanities favorite theme. From Greek theatre, Ovid, the Classics Shakespeare right up to today. But of course there is a world of difference between Saving, Thin Red Line, Johnny get your gun, even Peckingpah's Cross of Iron, and THE DEFINITIVE war movie Elem Klimov's "Come and See" and Kubricks Paths of Glory..... the list goes on and crappy Hamburger Hill, Top Gun, Green berets style stuff with les boys.... Don't throw away the movie just because its a war movie. Forget about the John Waynes and the Charlton Hestons; There are some really good mlovies, using war thematics. Pity too miss them. And for Plastic musn't forget the all time great Ingrid War movie "For Whom the Bell tolls".
and her reply
Boy, have you got a chip on your shoulder....
And forget about Charleton Heston and John Wayne, two of the 20th Centuries greatest actors? Where would LOTR be without the Original Planet of the Apes? And those actors are so influencial, Tolkien himself may have been influennced by them...
Oh Mr. Huan, I said Ridley had never made an "ENTIRELY" bad movie, they all had saving graces, mostly his unerring sense of vision. Despite slogging through frankly awful plots he often manages to make a visually alluring piece so you have something to look at while you're really bored. My two cents worth of War Movies would have to be Platoon and Full Metal Jacket, just cos they're great.
As for war movies, I guess you could make good movies, based on war. I really liked Apocalypse Now, only because it wasn't THAT bloody. or was it? can't remember.
"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning"
Have you seen the new Redux version yet?
This is somewhat of subject just to answer Plastic; Yes saw the redux version of Apocalypse. Mmmmm- dificult to answer. I like the original - kinda elliptic storytelling in a strange violent horror dominated by the shadow of Kurtz and Jim Morrison!
Redux seems to try too hard to fill in the holes and explain the charcters; All the characters on the boat now have more to say and we understand them better. So Martin Sheen steals Duvals surf board - funny but who cares? The whoile French colonial scence (15 mins) is simply ridiculous and just stops the whole movie. Theres a little more Brado and I actually liked that. but overall I don't think the new added stuff has improved the movie; Coppolla is getting old and tried to explain too many things this time in case we didn't undertand the first time. Unfortunately if you see Redux first and then screen the original you'll never appreciate the power of the first version.
I must admit, that apart from Ridleys director version of Bladerunner and PEckingpoahs version of PAt Garret directors cuts are not necessarily better (expecially ALIENS and ABYSS) how awful
Sorry Grond - you can move this to a Tavern if you like.
Speaking of Francis Coppola, i saw the wierdest article the other day..
apparently, he's going to make a film about Lleyton Hewitt (yes the aussie tennis player) and if that wasn't strange enough, Will Smith is going to play Lleyton's character in the film??? and the movie will also have Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett.
*Grondmaster orders a round for the house*
Took another 45 minutes to delete from the the 'Aragorn' postings that which I moved here.
*Grondmaster orders another round for the house and heads on home to bed* [Edited on 17/1/2002 by Grondmaster]
I never heard of Lleyton Hewitt, so I couldn't possibly comment except to say that Coppola making a tennis movie sounds like a really bad move on his part.
Grondy, you work too hard, really, it wasn't that important that you had to do all that work, was it? Well done anyway, cos this is the most fun topic I've got into in a long time, and it would have been a shame to lose it. Thanks Mate! And mine's a triple Vodka.
Whats interesting about director's cuts is that Ridley cut MORE out on his cut than was in the original. That took real b*lls. Getting rid of that silly voice over was the best thing.
Back to Coppolla - just seeing Martin Sheen doing in that mirror. Go its worth spending whatever a movie costs in yourpart of the world.
And Ridley had the voice over and the happy ending forced on him by the studio who were worried that people were too d*mn stupid to know what was going on.
By the way the best insight into this movie (along with reading Heart of Darkness) is too check out the documentary "HEart of darkness - The making off Apocalypse Now";
This docu-movie was shot on 16mm by Copolla's "wife" during the shoot. Unbeliveable. A real eyeopener and not one of the asceptic making of movies done by producers today to add onto a DVD suplement which includes nice interveiws with cast and crew saying how wonderful the director is! Geez C'mon guys give us a break.
Talking about war movies I just watched "The Harp of Burma" by Ken Ichigawa (Japan 1956). Now thats interesting. First Japanese war movie I've ever seen where the Japanese actually accept the fact that they were the agressors! interesting stporylmine, about a soldier who escaping thru Burma at the end of the war, bit by bit is converted to Boudhism and becomes a Harp playing monk!
Grondy: you did one hell of a job here, but get yourself some free time, please! Give this man a hobby!
Did you see the original?
Please plastic don't even put Vanilla and Mulholland in the same breath or sentence any more. Mulholland is wonderful - although thats probalby not the appropriate word - its closer to Kurtz "the horror".
A must go see- sort of a follow up to Lost highway - N° 1 really scary (not Scream stuff) movie.
Going to go see Mullholland for the same reason, it's by a guy I love, Lynch. That's all, I just like Movies, i'm no critic or anything.