Thread: colors, colours, whatever you call it
Do girls actually prefer pink, or is it just ingrained from childhood that they should?
and there are dogs that see in Black and White.... another difference of perception..
Indeed.. What is real?????
If reality is nothing more than a perception, how can we even be sure that we actually exist at all? It is possible that we are completely mistaken about everything. Other people may not exist. The world may not exist. The internet may not exist. PT (oh horror or horrors!) may not exist. What is the one thing that we cannot possbily be mistaken about?
We are all, to varying degrees, thinking. The fact that you are wondering if you are thinking, means that you are thinking! It is a very old philosophical concept.
Descartes: "I think, therefore I am." - sometime early this century? - if I am not mistaken!
[Edited on 29/8/2002 by Allyssa]
" I think; therefore, I am" and went on to prove black is white and white is black, and got run over in a zebra crossing.
But I may be wrong, it's just my experience that dictates that to me.
As far as the link, it was an odd choice. I did a search and this one seems better:
So, what do you think? Fact or fiction?
He found contradictions in stories that other people never noticed. For example, an postAuthorID describes someone as not wearing a cap and then later on in the book says that the character adjusted his hat. Most people do not see the discrepancy but, since the whole time S. is reading he is seeing the character go through all of the actions in his head, he notices when something happens that doesn't fit. In his head he will have a character walking along the street and then he will read in the story that he adjusts his hat. But S. looks at the picture of the man walking along and notices the man doesn't have a hat on his head.
I wonder what kind of inconsistantcies that S. would find in the Hobbit or the LotR? There would be some interesting benefits to having a mild form of this. But it would be very distracting and difficult to deal with every day. I get upset when I am reading a book because I do have a great imanination and the characters become very real to me and I see them in my head. However, if I had this, I would not be able to read at all, if other people were around. The images caused by the book, and what ever else was going on would get really confused, and blur. I would not be able to tell the difference between reality and fiction.
Herbert woke with a start in the morning, the sound of his alarm clock reverberating in his ears and the flashing of hot pink colors obstructing his view. He quickly reached out and switched off the alarm clock; the obnoxious sound and overwhelming pink immediately went away. He was aware of his dog barking outside as much by the sound as by the orange colors he saw on the edges of his vision.
It would be intriguing to see (for a day only) what sounds evoked what colors. An alarm clock-pink, a dog barking-orange. Would my cats p***ed off be blue, or them just normal meowing be purple? What color would an orgasam be? What would be green? What would the sounds of a storm be like? a horn honking? someone screaming? or laughing? It would be a rather scary experience.
When I was in school I color cordinated my classed. Science was alway green, and Math red. French/German were blue, etc. Would the colors stay the same if I developed this, or would they stay the same.
One very intriguing ability was the way he could regulate his own pain. He describes how pain is a red thread that grows bigger and bigger, eventually blocking everything else out. So, he "cut the thread, making it smaller and smaller, until it was just a point" and he no longer felt the pain. I have not heard of many other people with synesthesia who use this technique but it would be an interesting research topic. It is possible that people have this capability but are not aware of it.
Maybe if I had had this aspect of Synesthesia I could have cut the pain and never have had my hysterectomy (at 31) and been able to have more than one child. Or with my neck problems I could still be driving. Can you imagine, how a woman in labor love this. No more dangerous drugs that could harm the baby. An interesting research topic would be if all people have this ability hidden in themselves somewhere, but can't active. Could scientist do something to switch this on, w/o bringing about the other systems of Synesthesia?
This was a very thought provoking thread.
[Edited on 7/9/2002 by MelliotSandybanks]
eh-hem Melliot, there may be children watching (just grondied a word, since the language filter seems to have fallen down)
[Edited on 8/9/2002 by Allyssa]
It would be a very useful ability, although I cant say I have experienced anything like what is described above. I do get certain "colour-like" impressions about everything that I see and hear, but I dont actually see them. Wish I did.
I think that anger, regardless of source, would be red. Happiness would be yellow, contentment mauve, envy green, jealousy electric green, surprise hot pink, shock orange, derision brown, sadness dark blue, and confusion would be a paisly pattern. What colour do you suppose love is? rose pink maybe?
And I am almost certain that orgasms are silver/gold and sparkle like champaigne.
I like your suggestions for the colors. I think I have to agree on all of them, Especially the champagne. Sorry I got sooo long winded again.
Since there is no way to see through someone else's eyes and process information through their brain, there's no way we could ever know.
Have you ever wondered, if we all see colours the same.. I mean, what if what the colour that you see for blue, is the colour that I see as red.
But surely if one was to get a palette of five different colours as following; red, blue, green, purple and yellow. You could proceed to ask X number of people to point to the Y colour and I assume we could see statistically if generally the majority process information in the same manner?
Or am I missing the point here.. *Thinks*
Most forms of colorblindness are unrelated to this idea because they are known to be caused by a defect of the eye itself. However, there is one form that has no such simple explaination. People who suffer from certain forms of bipolar disorders and other mental illnesses sometimes have a great deal of difficulty discerning different shades of green and blue. This mild form of colorblindness is not caused by any defect in the eye or optic nerve itself, so must therefore be caused by the brain, proving that, at least in some small way, our perceptions of color can be different.
" I think; therefore, I am" and went on to prove black is white and white is black, and got run over in a zebra crossing
You've all probably got way past this, but I could help it. The exact words in Latin come from Socrates (if I'm not mistaken, here I could be wrong) and run: "Dubito ergo cogito ergo sum." Which means as much as: "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am."
But Descartes said it too, and Douglas Adams said it even better, I guess...
was neither black nor white, but shades of grey.
You've had your say and it twas okay,
I'm glad you have come back to stay.
I don't even try to stay on topic. This is a tavern, right?
Just wanted to add this: "What if the sky's really green and we're all colorblind?" Bart Simpson
[Edited on 12/9/2002 by TomBombadillo]
That boy is a genius!
I have often wondered the same thing about the sense of taste and smell. For example, how is it that the same bottle of perfume can be intoxicating and wonderful to one person and repulsive to another...or how can food taste so good to one person and gag another. I personally hate the smell of almost every artificially flavored fruit candy, watermelon being the worst...it just turns my stomach but many kids that I nanny for just LOVE it. And don't get me started about mushrooms, if other people got the same sensations when I taste, smell, and feel them in my mouth, the whole world would be barfing.
of course this is coming from someone who is colorblind!
HAHAHAHAHHA that was another good one Gimli! hahahaha
Do girls actually prefer pink, or is it just ingrained from childhood that they should?
I definately think it's an ingrained thing, cos personally I can't stand pink; after orange it's one of the most repulsive colours in my mind's eye. (but a lot also depends on the shade of the colour and the context in which we see it)
Maybe I've got a slight case of synaesthesia, cos whenever I have a bad migrane I see orange spots and blurs. There's a lot to be said about colour psychology, if you think about the way people associate different colours with different emotions (red=hate/love blue=sad green=envy etc) but these too I think are ingrained, kids are just brought up to think that way, but if you forget about what the majority says, you might see that you associate colours to emotions differently to other people: like I see deepblue=mysterious and darkgreen=tranquility and yellow/green=nausea.
I don't know if I actually have a point here, but just think about it.
Dogs are now thought to see the red end of the spectrum so they see in various shades of red. It was originally thought they only saw in B/W. They must be able to see a certain amount of colour because I regularly see my dogs notice thing that are different colours but the same shade. If they only saw in B/W, they wouldn't see the object because it would look the same as it's surroundings. They say a dog won't notice something unless it moves but my dogs notice stationary objects at some distance even though they are the same shade as their surroundings. This suggests they can see some colour.
One thing I often wonder, is that in this world full of other people, there is a "Me". Yes, weird but why is there a "Me"? I think we all ponder on these ridiculous thoughts sometimes, LOL.
Also, it is much more common for men to be colourblind than women. This is because women have an extra strand of chromosomes on their second X chromosome which carry a second gene for normal colour vision. If one is damaged or missing, they still have the other. Men only have one so if that is damaged or missing, they have no other to fall back on. colour blindness in women is very rare in comparison to men.
My grandpa was color blind, but he knew what colors were in their shades of grey. Like he knew that I was wearing a blue shirt because it was a different shade of grey than my brother's red shirt.
Not only colors, but sound too. Have you ever thought that maybe what we hear, some other animal can't? Like how we can't hear elephants when the do that one low noise, or whales when they sing... We have to use instruments to hear them.
O by the way, I'm studying this in science right now too, and I think that Mr. Templeton said something about how we don't actually see anything, we see the light reflected off an object. And that we only have light or color waves enter our eyes, and our minds perceive them as such, same with sound, we receivewaves and our mind interprets them as sound.
Also, we all know, to a point, what it's like to be colourblind. Like at night. I often walk the dogs in the dark and the only colour I can see is what is emmited as light. The grass looks different shades of grey as everything else does because your cones, which percieve colour, need good light to function so you rely intirely on your rods which pick up B/W when it's dark with no coloured lights.
I might fail to tell the difference of things which are the same shade but different colour in these conditions, even if there is a full moon which can be quite bright. I notice them because I know they are there or because they are close enough for me to see other detail on them or any small shadows they make that give away their shape. The dogs still manage to notice these things though in the day and at a distance. This suggests they can see some colour. Also, their eyesite is better at night than in the day.
Remember, shade and colour are not the same.
It's true that we don't see objects, only light. If everything was the same colour, was hit evenly on every square cm if it's surface with even light so there were no shadows or highlights, we would just see a plain screen of whatever colour it was and would be blind to any actual objects.
Some people can actually see more colours than the rest of us. Two objects painted in slightly different colours, as measured by a spectroscope, was placed besides each other. The vast majority of people, including the scientists, was not able to tell the difference. But a special few noticed right away.
It might be interesting to know that the images we perceive when we look at something, is at least as much a result of our brains as of our eyes. Our eyes have an angle of vision of appox. 120 degrees. What we "see" outside of this angle, is actually generated by our brain! In these "blind" angels(about 30degrees on each side), we can detect motion, but not see images. The images we think we see, are remembered and regenerated by our brain, in order for us to get a comprehensive view of our surrondings.
Many philosophers have debated whether we can trust our senses, some have even wondered if there is an "outer world" at all, or maybe what we see, feel and think we understand, only are a product of our own mind. Emmanuel Kant wrote ALOT about that..
About the Me business. Hmm. Us humans are, as far as we have been able to tell so far, the only creature on Earth that have a concept of Me. We are the only ones aware of ourselves as individuals, and not only as members of a species. If you give a small baby a mirror it will at first think there is another baby at the other side of the glass, but quickly realize that it is watching an image of one self. If you give a mirror to a chimpanzee, which share no less than 98% of their genes with us, it will think it is seeing another monkey. After trying to contact this other monkey unsuccessfylly, they loose interest and give up. It is uncertain if any creature except man are aware of their own existence, or just aware of their needs. Like hunger, thirst, fear etc..
According to some areas of modern quantum physics, nothing kan exist on its own, it have to be observed in order to come into existence. So strictly speaking, all your friends, pt and taxes only exist if you observe them!
As most of modern physics, this knowledge is completely useless, and will only give you a headache. If you don't get a headache, you haven't understood anything. In that case, welcome to the club!
Oh, please note the lack of a litterature list. This is written by memory. My own crappy memory. Get the point?
Us humans are, as far as we have been able to tell so far, the only creature on Earth that have a concept of Me. We are the only ones aware of ourselves as individuals, and not only as members of a species.
Have you ever wondered, if we all see colors the same.. I mean, what if what the color that you see for blue, is the color that i see as red. Maybe we all perceive colors differently. Maybe our minds just make it so that they colors look ok together..
Me and some friends of mine had this discussion a long time ago, uuh, let's see, we were 12 - 13 years old or something, so it was 5 - 6 years ago. We reached the conclusion that it was very much possible that everybody perceive the colour differently. We all get to learn what name a specific colour has when we're children, and that will never change. And about matching colours, perhaps that's another thing we learn in our childhood, which colours go with which, and then we adapt that in our own homes because we think that is just our specific taste, and not something we've learnt.
And perhaps that's the explanation to why some people think other people has got horrible taste and "How can they mix colours like that, it looks awful!" Not only because it doesn't appeal to him/her, but also because the people involved see the colours in different colours.
Or perhaps I'm just babbling away.
[Edited on 22/4/2003 by Airecristiel]
(spectroscopy showed that the difference in coulour of the two samples did excist, just most people was not able to see them)