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but there was what? another name?
i know little to nothing on this matter; this is what i was able to find:

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In the same source, Tolkien added that "Smaug, the Dragon's name, is a representation in similar terms, in this case of a more Scandinavian character, of the Dale name Trâgu, which was probably related to the trah- stem in the Mark and Shire". Thus, the made-up names Sméagol (pseudo-Old English) and Smaug (pseudo-Scandinavian) involve the same original stem, representing the relationship between the actual Middle-earth names Trahald and Trâgu. Since Trahald is said to mean "burrowing, worming in" or "apt to creep into a hole", it is interesting to notice that Tolkien stated that the name Smaug (representing Trâgu) is "the past tense of the primitive Germanic verb Smugan, to squeeze through a hole" (Letters:31).


Basically, that says that "Smaug" is a representation of the dragon's name in the tongue of Dale, which would be Trâgu. That's all I found.
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Smaug is the name of the great dragon.

And the as well the name Smugan is for Smaug.?? right?
No, Smaug is the only name we know for this last of the great red dragons, fire-drakes, fire serpents (urulóki).

'Smugan' is only the verb form from which Tolkien made his philological joke. If you remember, Smaug was no longer small enough to squeeze through the small hole ('five feet high the door and three may walk abreast') through which Bilbo and the Dwarves invaded his treasure lair under the Lonely Mountain.

I always got a kick out the name smaug, as smog is the brownish-yellow airborne pollution that settles over our cities and countryside during temperature inversions and could very well be equal to spent dragonbreath.

Of course all dragons had their own true names, but very few of them let their true names be known, for as Treebeard said, true names shouldn't be bandied about.

Knowing anything's, item's or creature's, true name was thought to give you power over that creature and dragons being independent were very closed mouthed on the subject of their true names. Of course, Morgoth knew some of their true names, for it was he who bred them; because of his knowing their true names, they were bound to his will.

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in this case of a more Scandinavian character, of the Dale name Trâgu
Trâgu is very like the norwegian drage ("drágë") meaning dragon.

Smau/smug- alley, lane, narrow passage
i smug -secretly, on the sly, on the quiet

Loke or Loki (= fire) is in norse mythology the father of an enourmous ether (i think) spitting dragon/serpent who was trown into the sea by the gods and eventually grew so large he lies surrounding Middle Earth, swallowing anyone who sailed to far out to sea. Loke was beautiflul, cunning and sly.

Loke is also father of the deathgodess Hel, which is also the name of the quite depressive and miserable place she was the ruler of (sounds familiar?), and an enourmous wolf named Fenre. The gods tried to chain up the powerfull Fenre, but he broke every chain the dwarfes could forge, untill they make a string from things noone can find: the sound of cat paws, womens beards, the mountain roots, fish breath and bird-spit, which is the reason these thing no longer excist.
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