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Ah... no problems! Big Smile Smilie
Aye, Iago you alone get this Pseudo-Silmaril for your answer.

And the bird was a kingfisher, or "The King's fisher" as Tolkien put it in his poem Bombadil Goes Boating,* .


In the War of Wrath, who contended with the Dragons in the air?


* This poem can now be found among others, in The Golden Perch under the thread Tolkien's Poetry, Serialized


And I trust Grondy want's both. Big Smile Smilie
Earendil and Thorondor...
Right again Chikakat Smile Smilie Have another Pseudo-Silmaril.

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And I trust Grondy want's both. Big Smile Smilie
No, as I make them out of whole-air with nil expenditure in energy--which probably explains why they are rather short-lived, disappearing soon after their arrival--they aren't something to be stuck in your common old iron crown or destined to become part of a Dragon hoard.

Was Tolkien pulling our leg when he named Eärendil's ship the Vingilot? Like, in an age before derigidballs, 747s, SSTs, and the like, one would expect his airship to "wing a lot" in order to stay afloat in the air wouldn't they? Rolling Eyes Smilie
I gotta start write more... if nothing else to avoid missunderstanindings... Smile Smilie

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And I trust Grondy want's both.


Meant both the names of those fighting against Ancalagon... :P
I suppose Tolkien might have been pulling our legs. Sounds quite like him... Big Smile Smilie
Sorry for my misunderstanding Iago. Now that I look at your reply without standing on my head, it makes perfect sense in light of the answer to the question. I just took your answer out of context. Dunce Smilie Smile Smilie

Nokes's closing remark dismissed Alf as too what, you might say? Hint: Smith of Wootton Major
Well, maybe I should write a "iago language -> common English"-dictionary anyway... Big Smile Smilie
Well I thought all Tolkien's short stories or novelettes or whatever one is to call his other non-epic works, were worth reading. Smile Smilie
So? No one has read or have a copy of Smith of Wootton Major? I'll give you a couple more days and then give the answer. Smile Smilie
Never read it, sorry Grondy. Very Sad Smilie
I've seen it in the library...just never got around to reading it. Do you recommed it, Grondy?
the battle of Celebrant?
Never read Smith of Wootton Major but Vingilot means 'foam flower'. Makes sense I guess, for a ship. What did old Smithy say?
About Tolkien making a little joke...did anyone know that "The Red Book of Westmarch" was supposed to be a literary joke? Refers to some other Red Book, of which I have forgotten the significance (ironic that!). Smile Smilie
Okay, as nobody has recently read Smith of Wootton Major, and it has been years for me, I'll give the answer. Nokes's closing remark dismissed Alf as too nimble.

I will dig out my copy in the near future and post a review of the story under the 'Other' section of 'Books'. Read Smilie

Name the chapter in which is found the following:
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"The talk did not die down in nine or even ninety-nine days.'
Ha! Old Valedhelgwath's just been sat here waiting to pounce. That comment was made by Gandalf to Bilbo after his disappearing act at the party. The chapter was "A long-expected Party".
Nope, sorry Val...Gandalf says something really close to that in 'A Long Expected Party' but the exact quote comes from the first line of Ch. 2 - 'The Shadow of the Past'...
She's right Val. In 'A Long Expected Party" Gandalf prophesied:
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You have had your joke, ... and given the whole Shire something to talk about for nine days, or ninety-nine more likely.
While my trivia quote was the narrators statement confirming the actualization of the prophesy in "The Shadow of the Past'. Big Smile Smilie

Chikakat adds another Pseudo-Silmaril to her collection.
Shelob's lair was called what in Sindarin?
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She's right Val. In 'A Long Expected Party" Gandalf prophesied:

A clasic case of pride preceeding a fall there, I think.
Well done, Chikakat. I should have read further. I just figured Grondy had got the quote slightly wrong because he was writing it from memory.

As for the last question, I'm not sure what Shelob's lair was called. The pass was Cirith Ungol, but I'm not sure whether the lair was named specifically. Must have a look when I get more time.
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I just figured Grondy had got the quote slightly wrong because he was writing it from memory.

hehe...never ever assume Grondy's wrong...he's wrong like once in a blue moon Wink Smilie
Grondys often wrong; however, in this trivia thread I try very hard not to be, as that would be unfair to you lot. Smile Smilie Towards that end, I look up every answer before I present the question. Were I to mess up here, there are a couple rodants in the audiance who are known to heckle. Animated Wink Smilie
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Shelob's lair was called what in Sindarin?


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The pass was Cirith Ungol, but I'm not sure whether the lair was named specifically


The only mention I can remember is Cirith Ungol. The cleft was blocked with spider webs, so I guess it was all her lair.
*heckles*
Very Big Grin Smilie

Nono: found it in TTT: Torech Ungol: Shelob's lair. Got it, got it!! I'm right, isn't it? Big Smile Smilie

Yes Tommy has got the right answer. Big Smile Smilie She gets the Pseudo-Silmaril.

At what battle did Eorl and his riders come to the aid of Gondor against Balchoth and Orcs?
Hmm... I think it's called something like the Battle of Calenardhon (Rohan)... I'm not sure, but I think it's the battle were Gondor found itself in great danger and was saved when all hope was gone by Eorl's forces. As a thank for the aid Cirion (?) the Steward of Gondor gave Calenardhon to Eorl...

...long time since I read this... Smile Smilie
When I think about it some more I think Eorl swore an oath always to be an ally to Gondor, known as (ta-ta-daa) "The Oath of Eorl"... Smile Smilie
No, I think Chikakat's right. It was the Battle of the Field of Celebrant.
You are all three right. Chikakat gets the Pseudo-Silmaril for being first with the Celebrant part where it is called "The Battle of the Fields of Celebrant" in ROTK, Appendix B, under the year 2510 TA.

Val is right with the full title.

And Iago has the particulars down, as told in Appendix A of ROTK, two pages into the section called 'The Stewards'. There the battle was unnamed. Eorl came to Gondor's aid by sweeping away the Balchoth (who were a fierce people that lived between Mirkwood and the River Running) and pursuing them over the fields of Calenardhon. These fields came to be called Rohan after the were given to Eorl's people by Cirion the Steward of Gondor whose army had been trapped by the enemy. Eorl then swore the oath to come to Gondor's aid whenever asked and they lived happily ever after, with the two kingdoms always coming to each other's aid, even unto the time of The Lord of the Ring's final destruction. Cool Smilie

In the darkness, what sort of eyes did Bilbo least like the look of, and what did he venture as to their owners?
It's in the Hobbit, that I know for sure, but I only have the Hobbit in Dutch here, so I think I'll go for a translation.

In "Riddles in the Dark" he says sth like: he kept thinking about creepy slivery things, with big blind eyes.
Is that what you meant? Big Smile Smilie
Sorry Tommy. Wrong location for the darkness. Good guess too about the blind fish eyes, but that wasn't the answer to this question. Smile Smilie
This time I'm too late! Animated Wink Smilie
Well, you have the right darkness; however, Bilbo had as yet, no idea that they may have been the great, great, ... great grand-children of Ungoliant. So that wasn't how he described them or what he guessed them to be.
Yes, Tommie gets the Pseudo-Silmaril this time. Smile Smilie


The artificial trees Glingal and Bethil stood in the Tower on the King in which city Question Smilie
The eyes he disliked most were terrible light and bleaky eyes in the shape of a bowl. (?, still translating here). And they usually belong to insects. The Hobbit, Flies and Spiders. I sure hope I'm right now.
You got it this time Tommy; the Pseudo-Silmaril is yours. Smile Smilie

The original English reads:
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But the eyes that he liked the least were horrible pale bulbous sort of eyes. "Insect eyes" he thought, "not animal eyes, only they are much too big."
And as Tuesday informed us yesterday, these eyes were probably those of spiders, as Bilbo later discovered. :0:

Identify the character described below:
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His beard, very long and forked, was white, nearly as white as the snow-white cloth of his garments. He wore a silver belt, and round his neck hung a chain of silver and diamonds.


[Edited on 27/6/2002 by Grondmaster]
Mmm... The description fits only Glóin, father to Gimli. It's taken from when Frodo first meets Glóin in Elrond's house, if I recall correctly... Smile Smilie
Iago gets the Pseudo-Silmaril.

When Minas Ithil fell to the Ringwraiths, what new name was it given, and what did it mean?
Minas Ithil became Minas Morgul which is Sindarin for Tower (Minas) of Dark (Mor) Sorcery (Gul). I think Morgul in its own right if a Sindarin term for Black Arts so the actual definition of Minas Morgul is Tower of Black Arts.
A Pseudo-Silmaril to Valedhelgwath for the correct answer.

What title was given to Gimli after the War of the Ring?
elf-friend?

Elf Smilie
And also Lord of the Glittering Caves.
ack...I'm too slow...I keep checking on the questions and knowing the answer but Val or Iago jumps in before me...hehe...Wink Smilie
Sorry, Chikakat.
There is a third answer to Grondy's last question though, so I'm sure he'd split a Silmaril three ways.Smile Smilie
Right you are Iago, a Pseudo-Silmarill to you.
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red fell the dew in Rammas Echor.
is the last line of what song in the LOTR?


Note: The afore mentioned bogus-bauble is a Pseudo-Silmaril.

'Lord of the Glittering Caves' is the answer for which I was looking; however 'Elf Friend' is also acceptable. So 42 and Val can share the bogus-bauble this time. I haven't hit on the third ttile, Val; what was it?

Who seemed to know as much about the inside of Bilbo's larder as he did himself?
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I haven't hit on the third ttile, Val; what was it?
Gimli was also known as the Lock-Bearer because of the lock of hair given to him by Galadriel.
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