Thread: Does any1 know...
If you have a copy of Return of the King which contains the Appendices, Marian, you will find a Tengwar alphabet in Appendix E. I'm afraid writing in Tengwar, however, is a little more complicated than using an English alphabet, but reading through that section may give you some idea on how to proceed.
2. & it's HE not she, my nick: Marian, is polish male name ;-)))
This next bit isn't meant specifically for Marian, but for all newbies: When new members with generic confusable names introduce themselves, they can reduce embarassment all around if they state their gender right off: That might keep the rest us from guessing wrong, or having to write "he/she/it" all the time.
think she means using actual Tengwar fonts, Loni.
Ah, yeah. I just noticed that. And I was like "You're SOO stupid, Loni. THICK THICK THICK!!!"
I thought bilbo had a pocket watch...and if so did they have time zones.
They wouldn't really be necessary except for the palantir.
I don't remember if they had watches or any concept of time for that matter.
Does anyone know...
Besides all that, it looks like from eastern edge of Mordor to the western most tip of Forlindon would probably lie within two or three of our time zoneseach of which I think are roughly 1000 miles wide at the equator, and I'm not going to bother recalculating that for the latitudes between Fornost/Erebor and Southern Gondor.
I would like to see how a professional would write "aure". I wonder if there is a better/other way of writing two vowels following each other (like au in aure and ie in Amarie).
The first example being a diphthong (-au-) is a bit different from vowels in hiatus (-ie). So aure could be written (in Elvish characters):
a-tehta above ķre (36), e-tehta above růmen (25).
The professional would be JRRT of course, and his Tengwar example of the Quenya word laurie contains both -au- and -ie, and is written: lambe: a-tehta above ķre: i-tehta above růmen: e-tehta above a short carrier.
It can get very frustrating when it comes to vowels and diphtongs, I can read and write the tengwar modes quite well, it's just when you come to a word that is more complicated, it stops you dead and can drive you up the wall... I prefer the Quenya mode personally, probably because I'm left-handed, the tehta goes above the other carrier or tengwar Plus, there are less words in Quenya to write, more easy to recognise it completely. The English mode I think is the most tough, the complexity, more words, more of a mixture of vowels... Good when you have a passion for words, as well as a lot of time
A while back I sketched a few tengwar and edited them in photoshop to create the entire collection of characters, they actually looked quite good, though about halfway through of creating this 'guide', I got taken away from it... Maybe I should blow the dust off the sketches and post abit here
If anyone needs an example of what certain words would be, I can help you out with it, either me or Galin
It doesn't mean anything, but this is what I did at the beginning...
Edit: Did anyone know you could link photos to be IN posts? If you want me to remove it, I will... New feature Grep? This could actually be helpful towards maybe setting up the guide...
*Blows dust off old files* Yeah, about two days...
I can no longer find the rule and have no current heartburn if you limit your images to to this discussion of Tengwar, but Grep may want to rule on this and require their later removal.
I've finished the words: AurŽ Entuluva
For those who do know how to write and read Tengwar, there's no need for you to read the below, I hope it makes sense for those who do not
I'll just explain them...
Splitting up the words letter by letter will be easier to understand how it is written...
Tehta = Vowel
Tengwar = Consonant
au r Ž
e nt u l u v a
First with the Quenya Mode, the Tehta, or Vowels, go above the preceeding Tengwa, but if there are no tengwa to place the tehta, use a single carrier as above in entuluva... So, at the beginning, we have the U Dipthong, (Tengwa No. 36), with the Tehta A above. Next, the R (Tengwa No. 25) with Tehta E above... Whenever you see the letter Ž in Quenya, there is no reason to write the tehta any differently... Just use the normal E Tehta... Though if there is a word where there is no Tengwa to put above, say like in LauriŽ, you position the E Tehta on a short carrier as r is already occupying the following i.
Onto Entuluva, the first E has no preceeding tengwa to be placed on, so the short carrier is used, (long carriers are only used if the vowel is to be pronouced long, as in the long Š in NamŠriŽ or AmŠriŽ), with the E Tehta above. Next is NT (Tengwar No. 13), where two singular Tengwar aren't needed, using this Tengwa generally saves time... Above it is the following U Tehta. Next is L (Tengwar No. 27) with the following U Tehta above. Finally, V (Tengwar No. 22) with the A Tehta above.
If anyone needs to know how to write in Tengwar, just PM me or ask me here and I can send you the word using my sketches... Maybe I could just post them in somewhere for all to see... I can do either modes, Quenya and English, (and Sindarin, it's basically the same as English, just different rules and slight adjustments).
I hope this helps understanding
(They will fit in better if you give them the same green background colour as the forum.)
I know enough about tengwars to know that I know very little, but this thread reminded me that I enjoyed trying to learn more. You had me confused by the nt and v, but I was thinking Sindarin. So I learned something today too.
This is just to test out what the colours would be if I did change the background... Though of course if someone deleted their post above mine, then I'd have to change the alternating colours again So don't delete your posts people! We can do with more Tengwar info here, I agree. I'd be happy to help something like this get going, maybe put it as part of 'Tolkien Weekly Courses'? I'd love to finally get some use out my sketches
Edit: That does look ALOT better, great idea Ama... It doesn't really look out of place now