Thread: Modern Middle Earth
This thread is to discuss what middle earth would be like with modern technology.
I am no historian but I would date ME (technologically) around the 16th century. Although Morgoth's and Sauron's technology was pretty advanced. But what if the people of ME started the industial revolution for machinery that was not purposed for domination, but just for advancement.
Could the people of ME eventually work up to automobiles, computers, and space stations.
( I apologize if a member of the council decides to move this thread.)
Advances in technology occur at an exponential rate. What Saruman began with his machines of war would eventually develop at an ever quickening pace to nuclear warheads if left unchecked. Tolkien allowed the good guys to stall this advancement for a while, leaving the lands in the hands of a good and wise king, but what he had already shown with the demise of Numenor during the Second Age, was that even the most noble dynasties fall into decay over the generations.
He began writing another novel set in the Fourth Age but quickly abandoned the project because it lacked the "magic" of the earlier ages. Even Tolkien seemed to know his world was on the same tracks as our own. He chose to stop while the grass was still green.
Anyway, Tolkien's Middle-earth with modern technology? That would be a strange sight. Oh, and since technology (whether "good" or "bad") is just a shortcut to our purposes, it could easily be defined as magic by Tolkien. And he said there was only one kind of magic - Sauron's kind.
I dunno... I like technology, but sometimes I wonder if it doesn't take a part of our humanity...
Well, lucky then that our humanity is going to be saved by the Butlerian Jihad 10,000 years from now...
While it's true that Saruman's machines are much maligned and used for evil, etc., it seems that technological advances might prosper in an ME of Legolas-Gimli type relationships. Tech can be used for making things as well as for destroying them.....
After all, what is the industrial revolution but a new set of tools? and machines and manual tools certainly were put to use in Elvish, Hobbit, Human, and Dwarvish realms. In fact, if there WERE a way to have the knowledge and technowledge increase as it did in the Ind.Rev. but WITHOUT the environmental messes, I'm sure the Elves would be leading the way. And the dwarves wouldn't be far behind. And Wizards.... well, it's just a different kind of magic, isn't it? Ents and Hobbits would lag behind humans, I'm sure.... and of course Eagles would probably not have lots of use for it at all, and Bombadils.... well, they're just an anomaly
In fact, if there WERE a way to have the knowledge and technowledge increase as it did in the Ind.Rev. but WITHOUT the environmental messes
I think the environmental messes arrive because technology enables man to become master of his planet rather than be mastered by it. By that, I mean he can outstrip its production of natural resources, and pollute the land faster than it is capable of cleaning up his mess. Legislation to limit the damage that industry can do always lags far behind the cause, while all the time the planet spirals into further environmental decay.
I doubt anything will be done to counter this spiral until it is too late. The effects of it all going wrong, however, will hopefully shake up what is left of the human population and give them a valuable lesson to take with them into the next age of mankind. Maybe, if they learn the lessons well, the next age will be a good one for man.
If I had to hypothesize the why and wherefore of people-made environmental messes, I'd say it has less to do with people becoming masters than it does with people becoming journeymen instead of masters, if you follow my metaphor.
And he said there was only one kind of magic - Sauron's kind.
I thought he said there was only one master or lord of the ring (Sauron). Tolkien refers to magic as used by Gandalf, and even (in the perception of Sam) to magic as used by certain elves, (e.g. Galadriel's mirror, or the elven rings of power unsullied by Sauron's touch). And although it's not referred to as such, you might be able to classify the healing power inherent in Aragorn's line (the line of Kings) as a kind of inborn magic.
And although it's not referred to as such, you might be able to classify the healing power inherent in Aragorn's line (the line of Kings) as a kind of inborn magic.
I'd refer to it as a talent, which he learnt to harvest from Elrond, who himself was a great healer.
What is the world (o rjust the UK?) coming to.................?!?!?!?!?!
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I like Middle-Earth set the way it is.
I am entirely in agreement with that. Without the Valar and Elves to provide corporate memory, the Men of Middle-earth will have blown it to heck in a handbasket by this time, and thus I like Middle-earth as I first found it, almost forty years ago.
It is just not comprehensible to me that Middle-Earth should have all that . So I personally could not even begin to t hink of anything more sophisticated than a water wheel!