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I do like Merry, he was okay in the movie... he's not really a "main hobbit" - you know? But to hear that Merry is hot... is just too much for my faye mind to comprehend... LOL
you know, I totally would not have recognized the guy in the picture as Merry...
You don't think that Theoden's Esquire and Nazgul slayer extroardinaire Merry deserves to be a main Hobbit Faye? Really?
Hi there hilite, good choice of hobbit.
Haha poor Plastic...
what's the world coming to?
first the hole in the ozone layer, then the global warming.. and now this?!
Should I tell her, people? Yeah, I should... When you pass the 100 posts, Rosie, you will no longer be a stranger, but a friend... Or fiend, if you like. Big Smile Smilie

Plastic: You're right again! Mad Smilie
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Thanks, Tommy.
i never thought i'd make it.
how many more posts do i have to have to be promoted to the next one?
anyway, back to the topic, yeah i agree wif Plastic. they no longer become lil' kiddies but still seem to have that sense of childlike sense of fun and humour.
And now people are agreeing with me, what a strange day I'm having....
yeah, tell me about it....
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How come Merry and Pippin are so much alike? You can't like the one and dislike the other, can you? Smile Smilie
hm... i kinda always prefered Pippin- but who knows.. when i read a book, i tend not to think about characters in that way, i try to be completely objective and brain dead. usually by the time i've finished the book, i can't remember half the characters anyway- think Nicholas Nickleby- ugh.. but looking back on it, i think Pippin was more endearing because he seemed to be more colourful and fun than any other characters in the book.
I always liked Pippin better too. Merry was so serious. He knew a little more about service than Pippin with him being in charge of the Brandybucks and all
Merry didn't become Master of Buckland until 1432 S.R. and Pippin became the Took and Thain in 1434, eleven and thirteen years respectively after the sailing of the ringbearers. However, your point is well taken; Merry had paid more attention to his father's business than had Pippin his. Smile Smilie
But I've always thought of Merry and Pippin in the book as indivisable. They seemed to be always together. I never liked one better than the other, they both were kinda fun and kinda serious at times. Smile Smilie
Yeah totally, they were like a comedy double act, totally inseperable. (apart from when they actually got separated ummm!) I always thought of Merry as a little rounder than pippin who strikes me as being more noble (possibly cos he's a Took) but basically it was difficult to tell them apart. a bit like a couple thats been together too long and complete eachothers sentences.... I always thought it kinda sad that they never got together Sad Smilie (he he he!)
I liked them both, but I think I liked Merry just as little bit better...Pippin got on my nerves after awhile.
The reason Pippin got on peoples' nerves is that he was still a tweenager when the mission started, which was why Elrond was unsure of letting him become part of the Fellowship. I don't think he actually gained maturity until just before he faced the troll-chief along side Beregond at the Black Gate.
In the film the difference between Merry and Pippin did seem a little vague. In the books, however, I found Merry to be more mature and a little brighter than Pippin who seemed a little childish and even spoiled until later in the story. I think that while they didn't get a lot of "page time" compared to other members of the fellowship, they were important to the overall "feel" of the story. By the end you see a definite change in their characters which is really what a story is all about. And, honestly...can you really imagine LotR without them?
Well I certainly can't. I must say you're absolutely right there, Proggy. Big Smile Smilie
I love Merry, he is my favorite character and always has been. I was a little concerned when they started casting for the film because whoever was going to play him would not have been what i had imagined. But Peter got it right because now i love dom. I do agree that he was slightly differnet in the book as to the film but it wasn't to bad a change.
Calling Merry one of the "main-hobbits" is a thing of definition. The "main-hobbits" concerning the Ring are Frodo and Sam. There is no place for discussion. Merry (and Pippin) was long time nothing more than a minor character concerning the importance of members of the Fellowship: a makeshift so to speak. That means not that Merry was no "main-hobbit" concerning the plot. For the plot Merry is as important as Frodo. But not that important in the mission.
That changed in the Scouring of the Shire. Merry is here one of the "main-hobbits" concerning the "mission". Frodo is only a bit more as a statist.
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That changed in the Scouring of the Shire. Merry is here one of the "main-hobbits" concerning the "mission". Frodo is only a bit more as a statist.

And like always, the hobbits of the Shire only remembered Pippin's and Merry's deeds in the end of the mission, and were never interested in what Frodo and Sam did "outside the Shire".

Darn you, Hobbits !
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For the plot Merry is as important as Frodo. But not that important in the mission.
Had not Merry been there to help Eowyn on the Fields of Pelennor the combined armies of Gondor, Rohan, and from the Black Fleet, may not have carried the day. Had they not won the battle that day, there would have been no one to drawn the remaining forces of Mordor to the Morannon allowing Frodo, Sam, and Gollum unhindered access to the Fires of Orodruin. Thus Merry was also very mission essential.
Every single character in LOTR had his or her own vital role to play, even Legolas and Gimli.

Gimli had to drag Pippin from under a troll's belly, and Legolas had to pull Aragorn from under a troll's foot (or was that Barfagorn ?).

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Yep, isn't that so interesting? Merry saves Eowyn and Pippin saves Faramir? It's like they had something to do with Fate.
Naw, that was just Tolkien sharing around the glory among his characters, so that each of them could truthfully answer the question, 'What did you do in the War, Daddy?'. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
Surely it links with the whole 'you don't have to be big and powerful to do something good' thing?
Quite! Just as Frodo and Sam also proved. Elf Winking Smilie
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Just as Frodo and Sam also proved.

True, although Frodo faltered in the end; after all the hard work the both of them had done, Frodo wasn't up to his task.

Gollum had to save the day, in true 'Middle-Earth Funniest Home Movies' style - "Oh, our little ghoul is so happy with his precious that he didn't see the fiery abyss. Hur hur !".

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Surely it links with the whole 'you don't have to be big and powerful to do something good' thing?

I believe it was movie-Galadriel that said something in the like ("even the tiniest person can change the course of events" or something in the like), which is hardly surprising, given her unsavory relationship with Gimli, son of Gloín.
I wonder how Celeborn reacted when he knew Gimli and Galadriel were now together in Valinor... that was probably what made him hasten into the West wasn't it?
We don't know that Gimli actually made it to Valinor alive, as he wasn't a ringbearer. He would have needed special dispensation and Legolas and Galadriel couldn't have done more than stand bond for him, as it was the Valar's role to waive their rule; though we can probably assume Aulë would have been his main petitioner.
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I wonder how Celeborn reacted when he knew Gimli and Galadriel were now together in Valinor... that was probably what made him hasten into the West wasn't it?

Celeborn lived a while in Middle-Earth in the fourth age, but i reckon he had already left for Valinor before the death of King Elessar (IV 120), after which Legolamb (and presumably Gimli) set sail to Valinor.

I myself don't believe that Gimli ever set foot on Valinor, since his role in Sauron's undoing was microscopic to say the least. Also, if Galadriel wanted any Dwarves to play with, she would've asked Aulë to make her a few.
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We don't know that Gimli actually made it to Valinor alive, as he wasn't a ringbearer. He would have needed special dispensation and Legolas and Galadriel couldn't have done more than stand bond for him, as it was the Valar's role to waive their rule; though we can probably assume Aulë would have been his main petitioner.


I've always thought that the suggestion that Gimli made it to the Undying Lands with Legolas was just sentimentality on Tolkien's part. If he did make it onto the hallowed shores, however, I view it as a concession to Aule from the other Valar. They were his creation, blessed by Eru. It seems fitting that one of them should join him in Valinor.

Gimli does seem a fitting choice too, not for what he did in the WotR but for his bond with Legolas. The Valar seem to like that sort of thing. It took Earendil to act on behalf of all the Free People to end the Excile of the Noldor. Maybe Gimli's friendship with the Elves was viewed in a similar way, for there had been contention between Aule and Yavanna about the dwarves from the moment he created them.