Thread: Who thinks Sam is taken for granted by Frodo???
Yes Frodo probably took Sam for granted during the first part of the journey; however, once they crossed the Anduin above Rauros he found he really needed Sam. And at journey's end he rewarded Sam by settling Bag End upon Sam and Rosie for the growth of their future family.
I think at the start Frodo and Sam shared a master/servant relationship, which is afterall what they were. As time went on, however, their relationship changed and Sam became a shoulder for Frodo to lean upon. By the end, having gone through so much together, they shared a bond greater than any normal friendship.
I wanted to add though that even if it may seem that Frodo takes Sam for granted and Sam does all the cooking, etc, I think you also have to put some weight in how much the ring was affecting Frodo. It was draining him from resitance, power of will and energy. And the longer Frodo had the ring, the weaker he became, on all three spots. I think Sam understands this, since he has also carried the ring for a little while, even if not to its full extent. So even though Frodo may be Sam's master and Sam Frodo's servant, I think that both Frodo and Sam realises that Frodo hasn't got the power to go find food or do stuff like that. Frodo has to save his powers, as he knows it'll only get worse the closer they get to Orodruin and Baradúr. He also has to trust his own heart, as he was assigned this quest and not Sam. The only thing Sam can really do is to support Frodo the best way he can, and he does that throughout the book. And like Grondy said: Sam got Bag End from Frodo when they came back, and even though Bilbo didn't get quite as much gold so that he could fill big tunnels with it in The Hobbit, like the rumours has to tell, I think that there lies a big fortune just by owning the estate.
Sure, he is right about Gollum being up to something, which he is, to lead them into Shelobs cave. The question is if that really was Gollum's motive or the motive of the orcs/Sauron? Either way, Frodo knows that they will not find a way into Mordor unless they follow Gollum. He also remembers that Gandalf said that Gollum still has a part to play, for good or for bad. I'm guessing that since Gollum helped them out of Emyn Muil and over the dead marshes and to the black gate, Frodo is hoping that he will help them some more and not lure them into any trouble, as he hasn't so far.
So.. No, I do not think that Frodo takes Sam for granted. Like Val said; their relationship changed and Sam became a shoulder for Frodo to lean upon. They aren't really described as master and servant when they get home, it seems more like they are good friends. Sam is busy with his family and planting trees all over The Shire and Frodo is... well, probably mostly longing for Valinor and the grace of Valar.
Anyway, i think in the end Frodo had changed too much to make it possible that they became really good friends and before this, Sam saw Frodo as his master. They weren't really buddies imho.
On a small side note, Sam and Frodo may have begun the quest as master and servant, but when the quest was completed, and they returned to the Shire they weren’t. Sam may have still thought of their relationship that way (because of how humble he was, and the love he had for Frodo in his heart), but they really had become equals. They were both Ring-bearers, they both had critically important parts to play, and neither could have succeeded without the other. JMO.
When Frodo leaves the Company he sees it as Aragorn said
"He is the Bearer, and the fate of the Burden is on him...There are other powers at work far stronger."
Frodo was glad that Sam managed to come with him even though he had intended to go by himself. At this point he appreciates Sams help and company, but he doesn't see things as clearly as Sam, and doesn't realise how hard things will be.
At the end, he understands what has happened and knows what Sam did. At the time he can't really see it. It isn't that he takes Sam for granted, more that he believes that he could do it himself, then because of the ring, he has trouble understanding what Sam does.
Despite all of this I still find Sam really agrivating!
As time went on, however, their relationship changed and Sam became a shoulder for Frodo to lean upon.
Only because at some point Sam was the only thing holding Frodo up.
Anyway, don't take it personal, I don't, nor do I blame you.
Sam moron, Frodo whiny, without moron to help, whiner would whine less, and get the job done on his own. Like kids who only learn to do things, when you stop doing them for them. Sam useless, kill Sam.
That ought to start it up again Halo....
We had this confersation some time ago, so I leave it to someone else to defend poor Sam.
As for not trusting Gollum, I think that while Frodo may know he depends on Sam, I don't think he ever thinks he can depend on Sam's wits until after Cirith Ungol (if even then). So this may be why he doesn't listen to Sam.
And that would be my defense of Frodo, if not of Sam, as I don't think I can defend Sam against Plastic's peerless hatred...
... as I don't think I can defend Sam against Plastic's peerless hatred...
Frodo should have taken Sam for granted more, and kicked him a little more often, and shoved him in the fire at the end, claiming it to be a tragic Accident.
And eatten. A nice, plump, tender Sam; roasted in his own fat in the fires of mount doom. Acompanied with chips, a light salad and a side order of garlic bread. Its the new alternative to turkey at christmas dinner ya known.
Then again, roast Sam goes great in a sandwich, with a little mustard or pickle!
yes i agree that they could never do it without gollum. to tell you the truth i was kinda sad when i found out gollum fell into the fires of mount doom!!! *tear* he was so ugly he was cute!!!!!!