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The hunks of Middlearth were just recently in Us magazine. I think that David Wenham is a good looking guy. He is also a talented actor. I have seen him in the film Molokai and he was also in Moulin Rouge(in a bit part anyway) Smile Smilie
If you want to see someone who resembles Faramir as I imagined him, go and see the photo of Ayslhyn in one of the taverns! He needs only long hair!
David Wenham physically does not at all correspond to "my" Faramir, but who knows? He may yet be good. We will see! Looks are not everything! I am even more curious how PJ will modify his personality!
I have been trying not to read spoiler ladden reviews because every time I get mad. Seems like PJ has made my man a very dark and brooding character. I just hope that in ROTK he turns him back into the character we all know and love. It may also sour people to his upcoming romance with Eowyn.Sad Smilie
Faramir dark and brooding! What next!!!
Did you know that Orlando Bloom originally auditioned for the part of Faramir? He was originally given the role, but when they couldn't find any one to play Legolas , they offered him that role instead. Kind of makes you wonder. At least I am thankful that Ethan Hawke did't get the part. Can you imagine? SHUDDER!!!!!!!!! Smile Smilie
Okay, if you like Faramir, DON'T WATCH THE MOVIE! Honest, you won't like him, he's horrible...
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Okay, if you like Faramir, DON'T WATCH THE MOVIE! Honest, you won't like him, he's horrible...


Ah...yes, I think I saw him in a clip of the film that they showed on TV. Is her the one with the freakishly neon-yellow-looking hair that threatens to chop of Gimli's head, or am I thinking about someone else. I'd look it up myself, but I'm in the prosess of redecorating my room, so all my tolkien books (except the Hobbit) have been banished to cardboard boxes (oh the horror, will it never end?! *sobs* I wand my copy of FotR! Argh!) Orc Sad Smilie
Last night I went to see THE TWO TOWERS.I must say I understand how people feel about the way Faramir is being portrayed in the film.He does come acrossed as being cold and a bit ruthless. But in a way I understand why they had to change him. Faramir unfortunately, is not one of Tolkien's best developed characters. Of course he is saintly and a man to be admired but, he really doesn't do much to be an interest and compelling character. He never really grows from his experience of coming into contact with Frodo and Sam. I think people should give David Wenham's potrayal of the character a chance. Besides, We have one more movie to go. Sad Smilie
Very Sad Smilie If Faramir doesn't show his quality at Henneth Annn, I'm not sure if I want to see the ******* movie!
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'... But handsome is as handsome does we say. Now's a chance to show your quality.'

'So it seems,' said Faramir, slowly and very softly, with a strange smile. 'So that is the answer to all the riddles! The One Ring that was thought to have perished from the world. And Boromir tried to take it by force? And you escaped? And ran all the way--to me! And here in the wild I have you: two halflings, and a host of men at my call, and the Ring of Rings. A pretty stroke of fortune! A Chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality! Ha! He stood up, very tall and stern, his grey eyes glinting.

Frodo and Sam sprang from their stools and set themselves side by side with their backs to the wall, fumbling for their sword-hilts. There was a silence. All the men in the cave stopped talking and looked towards them in wonder. But Faramir sat down again in his chair and began to laugh quietly, and then suddenly became grave again.

'Alas for Boromir! It was too sore a trial!' he said. 'How you have increased my sorrow, you two strange wanderers from a far country, bearing the peril of Men! But you are less judges of Men than I of Halflings. We are truth-speakers, we men of Gondor. We boast seldom, then perform, or die in the attempt. Not if I found it on the highway would I take it I said. Even were I such a man as to desire this thing, and even though I knew not clearly what this thing was when I spoke, still I should take those words as a vow, and be held by them.

'But I am not such a man. Or I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee. Sit at peace! And be comforted, Samwise. If you seem to have stumbled, think that it was fated to be so. Your heart is shrewd as well as faithful, and saw clearer than your eyes. For strange though it may seem, it was safe to declare this to me. It may even help the master that you love. It shall turn to his good, if it is in my power. So be comforted. - The Two Towers, Book IV, Chapter 5 entitled 'The Window on the West'.
This scene is comparable to that of Galadriel's where she too rejects the ring. It is Faramir's strongest scene in the book and if Peter Jackson threw it away, then he and his cadre of writers must be pitied for having missed it. Shaking Head Smilie

[Edited on 20/12/2002 by Grondmaster]
It's not been cut Grond, it's just a lot different from what you're expecting, talk about taking his words and twisting them totally...
Faramir was actually my favorite character as well (can you tell?). Smile Smilie
I say, what a stroke of luck that you got named after him what? Wink Smilie
Although releasing Frodo and Sam was perhaps the most challenging thing Faramir achieved, his heroic stature comes more from his defence of Osgiliath. In the Two Towers, you are able to contrast him with Boromir, but at that stage in the books, he is still a little dark. He is still mourning the loss of his brother and also knows war is close.

A lot of people are going to complain about PJ's portrayal of Faramir, but if you look closely at Faramir's character at that point in time, it was not far wrong. Saying that, I'd have prefared it if he had not tried to take the hobbits back to Minas Tirith before finally releasing them.

I'll reserve judgement on Faramir until I have seen the final instalment.
Then I suppose I should reserve my judgment on PJ's writers until after I have viewed the extended version DVD of the RotK, or at least until after I have actually viewed the TT. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
Don't feel bad Wink Smilie I haven't seen it either because as usual I am broke. Hopefully I will get some tickets or money for Christmas. Big Smile Smilie
i can't help but feel that Faramir would be better left as he was in the book. What a fantastic piece of dialogue! And PJ and co. threw it out? shocking! Super Scared Smilie :

But I have not seen the movie yet. I wonder if my opinion will change...somehow, I doubt it. Sad Smilie
Great now I just can't wait to see my favorite character in the movie Sad Smilie
I actually wasn't a huge fan of Faramir in the books, so I wasn't too disappointed in him in the movie. I think it might actually kind of be nice to see him turn around in RotK rather than have been a good guy all along.
I think the reason we didn't see much of Faramir in TTT is because there was so much stuff to cover in that three hours. Hopefully we will see more of him in ROTK.

They have a lot to cover in ROTK don't they? Smile Smilie
I know a lot of people had issues with how Faramir was portrayed in THE TWO TOWERS. Who would you have rather seen play him? I remember one point during preproduction Ethan Hawke' s name had been attached to the role. At one point I was hoping he would get the part. No offence to PJ and David.
Well of course it is not posible yet (who knows what will be possible in the future? Smile Smilie but what about a very young Gregory Peck?
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Well of course it is not posible yet (who knows what will be possible in the future? Smile Smilie but what about a very young Gregory Peck?
As far back as I can remember GP was always a stuffed shirt; I can't ever remember him playing in any action movie. Even in 'Horatio Hornblower' he was a stuffed shirt. He was an excellent actor; though, just not my idea of a swashbuckler. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
but he played the roles of a handsome, wise & noble men fighting for a just cause, and was good at them (at least for me). Was Faramir really such a swashbuckler?
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Was Faramir really such a swashbuckler?
Probably not, possibly I could chosen a better word, something less rogueish than swashbuckler. Anyway, if you want Gregory Peck, I'll abide by your judgemen; at least he isn't as stiff as Gary Cooper, another of my favorite actors.
Gary Cooper is also one of my favourites, but he is a bit stiff, yes, I agree, Grondy. He might be good as some stiff-necked Elf, why not Celeborn, for instance? Smile Smilie
And Humphrey Bogart? What role for him? Perhaps that of Denethor? Smile Smilie
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I know a lot of people had issues with how Faramir was portrayed in THE TWO TOWERS. Who would you have rather seen play him? I remember one point during preproduction Ethan Hawke' s name had been attached to the role. At one point I was hoping he would get the part. No offence to PJ and David


I am a great fan of Faramir in the book and was disappointed in how the character was diminished in the film. But I loved the way he was played by whoever it was. Wouldn't change that.
Well, they couldn't even get Faramir's hair colour right in the movies. Maybe they should bring out a special extended dvd version redux in which they painted Faramir's hair. And shaved off that beard.
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'But I am not such a man. Or I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee. Sit at peace! And be comforted, Samwise. If you seem to have stumbled, think that it was fated to be so. Your heart is shrewd as well as faithful, and saw clearer than your eyes. For strange though it may seem, it was safe to declare this to me. It may even help the master that you love. It shall turn to his good, if it is in my power. So be comforted. - The Two Towers, Book IV, Chapter 5 entitled 'The Window on the West'.
This scene is comparable to that of Galadriel's where she too rejects the ring. It is Faramir's strongest scene in the book and if Peter Jackson threw it away, then he and his cadre of writers must be pitied for having missed it.



I have tears in my eyes just reading that quote from Faramir. At least the changes in the film haven't affected the way I see Faramir, it's just a different path.

The writers said they changed Faramir because they needed an obstacle for the ringbearer and this worked better for a film. To have someone like Faramir able to resist this evil corrupting ring would, they said, lessen the power of the ring. That's as may be but I found Faramir and his incorruptability absolutely breathtaking. It would have been an awesome scene full of hope just like when the elves arrived at Helm's Deep - oh, hang on, they didn't!. Smile Smilie


faramir in van helsing with that slouch and hair flip..grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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faramir in van helsing with that slouch and hair flip..grrrrrrrrrrrrr
That wasn'r Faramir, that was the actor playing Faramir; thus, it was off-topic.
the faramir actor-off topic whatever in van helsing with that slouch and hairflip!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hiya everyone! This is actually Acheron speaking cuz my account won't work!*sob* Very Sad Smilie So I'm borrowing my twins account! hehe! Anyway Faramir happens to be one of MY favorite character too! I love how despite everything that's going on around him, he can stay true to his morals. Most ppl would crumble under the strain of having to lead men into battle, their father's scorn and a terrible war that could cause your entire city, no you entire WORLD to be ruined! I know I would!(Alas I am not the courageous person that Faramir is.....) Also I happen to pity Denethor despite the fact that he was totally mean to Faramir. Am I alone when I say this? I just think that there is so much more to Denethor than meets the eye. Yes maybe he acts very cruel sometimes but i think it's because he wants to protect his sons. He hates Aragorn because he wants his sons to have the same experience as all the other stewards before them. Yes he does show favoratism to Boromir but I believe that this is because of Boromir reminds him a lot of Findulas, his wife. The death of his wife certainly changed him and I think that is the man that everyone hates in the book. Perhaps if we had all met him before his wife's death everyone would have a little better understanding of him now. Is this turning in to a Denethor post? Oops......forgive me. I really do love the whole family and me twin is OBSESSED WITH BOROMIR!!!!! I like him too though. I nevr think of him as "evil dude who tried to take the ring from our hero" I always like to look at him a person we all know that just had too much weight on his shoulders. I mean we all have a little bit of Boromir in us. The part that wants to impress others, the part that wants to protect the ppl we know and love. The Ring just brings out the worst in ppl. You can't think that you know Boromir just by looking at the part where he was corruppted by the Ring. Though one has to greatly admire Faramir for not being corrupted by it. That has to take some serious will-power. Ok now I'm rambling.....but any of you other Faramir or Boromir or Denethor fans out there, please, please, PLEASE REPLY!!!!!!!!
Hello, this is the real Celebistar speaking! My twin just had to write on Faramir (she ADORES him) and was too lazy to fix her own account (hehe Ha Ha Ha Smilie ) so she used mine! I WILL make her fix her account someday..... Anyway, I personally believe Faramir's actor, David Wenham, portrayed Faramir the way he was written in the script- as cold and calculating as his father. It was an error of the writer if you ask me, not the actor. However, I do agree that the Faramir in the Two Towers was disappointing. Once ROTK came out though, I felt as though Faramir was redeemed, but then Denethor was RUINED!!!!! RUINED I TELL YOU!!!!!!!!!! Mad Smilie Nonetheless, this thread is on Faramir, so I will continue my rant on Denethor later... Big Smile Smilie However, if you see the Two Towers extended edition, the extended part of the scene Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit has a bit of Faramir that really portrays him! He had just killed a Haradrim soldier and was looking at the body and begins saying "I wonder what his name was... where he lived, what his life was like..." In this scene, you can see his compassion for a man he doesn't even know, a man he should rightfully hate- he even says that he doesn't know what to consider "the Enemy" anymore. I thought that Pete Jackson should have kept this scene because it's the one part in the Two Towers where he really catches the escence of Faramir... it's a beautiful scene for all of you who haven't seen it. Anyway, just thought I'd get my views out on the screen version of Faramir... I'll leave an even LONGER thread on the original Faramir later..... MWAHAHAHA! Very Big Grin Smilie See ya!
Well - I have said in other threads as well as this one that Faramir is my favourite character in the book and I HATE what they did to him in the film. He had no honour or nobility - no air of Westenesse. Faramir was not the sort of man to have Gollum beaten or to drag Frodo and Sam roughly around. I disagree wholeheartedly with the reasons the writers gave for changing the character and I think it was their biggest mistake. It devalued the film as well as Faramir. I have issues with this, I really do but I can separate the book from the film and I still enjoy the films despite it.

Faramir was a fantastic character and one of the few people we think can resist the ring. But this wasn't enough for the writers - they wanted conflict not honour so we got this bullied wimp who watches as his men beat up Gollum and who physically hurts Gollum himself.

The only redeeming thing was that they left in that marvellous quote, originally from Sam, and gave it to Faramir.

I loved the scene in the book where Faramir goes out to his probably death (loved the bit in the film when Pippin sings as we see Faramir in the background) but even that wasn't finished properly. And then we see nothing of Faramir until the coronation....... what????? No Houses of Healing, no talks and walks with Eowyn...... (splutter).......... I mean.......... why?

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No Houses of Healing, no talks and walks with Eowyn...... (splutter).......... I mean.......... why?

Because according to some ppl, if the movies would follow the books to the letter, the majority of ppl who have never heard of JRRT before, would've stormed out of the theatres and demanded their money back. At least, that's what those ppl believe and defend with rocks and bare hands. Anyway, there's still a chance to see something of the houses of healing in the SEE of ROTK... to quote Xenarwen "there is still hope". Heh.

I can't see that happening - the Houses of Healing thing. In RotK we saw Eowyn and Merry walk away almost unhurt from the Pelennor fields. Apart from Faramir who was there for Aragorn to save with his 'kingsfoil'? If Eowyn wasn't seriously injured there is no need for a long convalescence and walks with Faramir.

In the film we see Eowyn, having killed the WK, sit next to Theoden while he dies, and Merry goes with the company to the Black Gates so he isn't badly hurt either. I can't see there being anything from the houses of Healing unless it is Faramir.
Ah well, maybe it's for the better. Faramir and Eowyn are both monstruosities in the movies, anyway. It would be another disgrace for the book characters if there'd be a marriage between the two in the movies.
Certainly without the Houses of Healing it would have been inexplicable.
I think I agree with Vee. It seems kinda a shame that you don't see any of the walks and talks between Eowyn and Faramir. And at the end all you see is the two of them standing next to each other and that's like for a milisecond. Yes I do think that Faramir kinda stank in the movie but Eowyn was acctually pretty cool. She was a bit more....um....determined. It's hard to describe it. She just wasn't as whiney as in the books. But I do think that the scriptwriters captured Faramir better in RotK. Especially the scene where Denethor tells him that he would have preferred that Faramir died and BOromir lived. *sniffle* That was so sad. But good acting on David Wenham's part! Big Smile Smilie
This is Acheron by the way using my twin's username. Orc Grinning Smilie I'll get it fixed soon!
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