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Allyssa began this thread with the following post

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I seem to recall saying somewhere that this character deserved a thread of his own.

At first, I wasn't sure if I liked him. He seemed a bit "in your face" if you will, you know, like those people you meet for the first time who are trying a little too hard to be friendly. And to me, he seemed just a little patronising - educating the poor ignorant mortals in the proper way to live.

But as the stories moved on, he "grew on me", until his death scene almost broke my heart. He sacrafices his life for Beren, without understanding that he will never meet him again. Tragic.

As I said in the Beren thread, it is very sad that Beren and Finrod will be forever separated - Finrod wandering the gardens of Aman and Beren in whataver fate there is for mortals. I too would like to think there would be an exception in some cases and mortals and elves could meet again. Would love to read Eryan's story!

Still, perhaps Finrod will find consolation in the company of some of Beren's decendants (who would never have been born without his sacrafice).



Eryan replied

For me Finrod always was an Elven Faramir, a model hero.

I often tried to imagine how he fares how in Valinor. We only learn that he "walks with Finarfin his father". And what about Indis, his love who did not follow him into exile?

Did they meet? What did they have to say to each other?
And what they are doing in Valinor, all these Elves... besides walking? You know, I once imagined that Yavanna created coral reefs there with plenty of magic fish and other creatures... Just imagine Elves snorkelling among all these fairy-tale fish!

I think Valinor would be a place where they could live for the day and not dwell on the past. A place where they had a chance to start the rest of their lives afresh.
Will they never remember their days of darkness and glory in Middle-Eart?
Will they not sing songs about that time?
elves are always singing, always remembering "the memories of the elves are as vivid as reality" and it is I suppose coneivable that Beren met Finrod in the very breif peroid that he spent in the Halls of Mandos awaiting Tunivel. Also you are right to maintain that elves and men will meet again on day, for they will all take part in the second music, after the last battle in which all will also take part.
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elves are always singing, always remembering "the memories of the elves are as vivid as reality"


Imagine having memory this vivid!

It is sad though, that elves and men will not meet again for a very long time, and then only briefly. I think that Finrod will pine a little for Beren, knowing that he will not ever be able to really spend time with him. I think the sundering of the kindreds must seem cruel for those who are separated from loved ones.
And imagine the anguish of Beren and Luthien and their child Dior! They all knew that they could be together only during a very brief period, and then their fates will be apart!...



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I think this is what makes many of Tolkien's characters so heroic. The degree to which many of them take their self-sacrifice leaves a lump in your throat.
I'm currently re-reading the Silmarillion and I haven't got up to the Finrod/ Beren scene yet, but I remember it as being very moving. First time around, Finrod was one of my favorite characters.

I also like the tale of Finrod's ring, how it was given to Barahir as a pledge, finished up with the chief of the Lossoth, and was finally ransomed before becoming a heirloom of the North Kingdom (and ultimately Aragorn's). I think it merits a book in it's own right.
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And what about Indis, his love who did not follow him into exile?

It was not Indis, she was Finwë's secound wife and Finrods gramdmother. It was Amarië, whos name I've taken. I do wish we could know more about them and why she didn't go with him, I have a feeling it would make a great and heartbreaking story.
Yes! Of course you are right Amarie! I also had a feeling I would like to learn more about them, and to know whether they were together in Aman when Finrod was released from Mandos - he was told by JRRT to "walk with Finarfin his father", nothing is said about Amarie anymore...
By the way, Felagund was first called Inglor by JRRT, and Finrod was the name of his father (History of ME).
Very true! How could we forget Hurin!
I'm soooooo glad I've finally found this thread!! I've been looking for something about Finrod for such a long time. People don't seem to have much to say about him, but I think you guys are absolutely right, he desrves to have a thread.
Finrod's got all the qualities the House of Finarfin have, courage, wisdom, gentleness ect. And that's what makes him so great. Not much is mentioned about his brothers, though, I wish we could have known them better. But I think Finrod is definately a great character and he probably represents his brothers.
And please read his parting words to Beren in the Lay of Leithian. It just sings your tears out of your eyes. His sacrifice was a heart-breaker.
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And that's what makes him so great. Not much is mentioned about his brothers, though, I wish we could have known them better.

Angrod was the father of Orodreth, who was the father of Gil-galad (this is the way it is, it is incorrect in the Silmarillion). Angrod ruled with his brother Aegnor in Dorthonion, and was slain there during the Battle of the Sudden Flame or Dagor Bragollach.

Aegnor was loved by a mortal woman named Andreth, who became a close friend of Finrod's, but as Aegnor felt in his heart he was going to perish, he never married her - a fact he perhaps felt sorry for when he thought it over in the Halls of Mandos : no matter how short the life of mortals is in Arda, and no matter how short the love mortals experience on Arda is, the happiness it causes remains forever in Eru's Halls, even though their spirits would be separated until the breaking of Arda and the Second Music of the Ainur.

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Finrod's got all the qualities the House of Finarfin have, courage, wisdom, gentleness ect.

Galadriel didn’t share this traits back in Valinor, though. She was proud and fierce, like Fëanor. She needed Melian and Celeborn to soften her up.
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She needed Melian and Celeborn to soften her up.


And also Time! A few thousand years certainly did the magic on old Gladys!
Yes, in the end she was only a shadow of her former self, a living relic of the former greatness of the Eldar.

Where once legions of Sindarin and Fëanorian suitors bowed at her feet in Doriath, in the end only a rude Dwarf got ensnared in her web of seduction and deceit.

Sad, really.
lol, yeah, but you forget that she herself was restricted by something called, erm, marraige?
There's no such thing as adultery among Elves, is there? Indis hid her feelings when Miriel was around, and Finduilas fell in love with Turin, but she wasn't married. Hmmm... this might explain why there are so many Elven bachelors...
She was supposedly married to Celeborn, and yet they lived apart from each other for a very long time according to UT; not to mention, Galadriel departed into the West without Celeborn.

Celeborn looked more like Galadriel's partner than her husband to me, which isn't surprising since every Elven marriage much be acknowledged by the parents, and Finarfin and Eärwen were in Tirion.

So Galadriel really had some 'playing room' left.

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There's no such thing as adultery among Elves, is there? Indis hid her feelings when Miriel was around, and Finduilas fell in love with Turin, but she wasn't married. Hmmm... this might explain why there are so many Elven bachelors...

Finwë's second marriage wasn't one out of love, me thinks. It was arranged because Finwë still wanted to have some children.

No, there is no adultery amongst Elves, once they're officially married, at least. No "pride and prejudice', 'sense and sensibility' and 'wuthering heights' stories in Middle-Earth, (un)fortunately.

Elves quickly matured in spirit, but not in body, so if they were to marry, they picked their future spouse already as children. Elves from royal lines had their marriages fixed from birth, i reckon, whilst all other Elves who didn't pick a partner as children, usually never married - although there are exceptions of course.

Arwen for instance, left her father for Aragorn when she was around 3000 years old.