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Gimli son of Gloin is one character that I can truly identify with, although my favourites are Gollum & Bilbo. He's gruff, macho, hot-tempered, proud, stubborn, loyal, sensitive, good engineer, and, er, short. I can really relate to him. He's about the most realistic character that Tolkien ever created...he'll be able to fit in our modern life easily. The rest are either too honourable or too evil.
I liked the bit in RotK:
He (Sam) scratched his head. 'Can't understand it at your age!' he said. 'But there it is: you're three inches taller than you ought to be, or I'm a dwarf.'
'That you certainly are not,' said Gimli.
He is wise and articulate, exceptional qualities in a dwarf. He is also loveable for all those reasons Ungoliant mentioned.
I did think he would be a little more visually appealing than in the movie though. He should have a charming smile and a twinkle in his eye I think.
Impossible love may be true love. I once read a beautiful poem telling about an impossible love between the Indian king Asoka and a... willow tree. It was one of the most beautiful and moving love poems I ever read!
Yes, do that please Eryan. That sounds interesting....I've read some ancient Chinese poetry about a maiden-princess that killed herself over a dragon, but that's not the same thing. And the Japanese used to get gushy over nature too...
And I don't think that Gimli is a sappy romantic....no, no, NO! He's just passionate about certain things, that's all.
Eryan: Yes Thorin was especially cold and calculating once he found Smaug was dead.
The lust for gold went to his head and he was passionate to keep every single gem and coin, except for the fourteenth share promised to Bilbo. And even there he may have figured poor old Bilbo couldn't carry his share away. As Smaug said to Bilbo
... "But what about delivery? What about cartage? What about armed guards and tolls?"
Then the Lady unbraided one of her long tresses, and cut off three golden hairs, and laid them in Gimli's hand. 'These words shall go with the gift,' she said, 'I do not foretell, for all foretelling is now vain: on the one hand lies darkness, and on the other only hope. But if hope should not fail, then I say to you, Gimli son of Glóin, that your hands shall flow with gold, and yet over you gold shall have no dominion.'
For Gimli being passionate, OK. Well sappy romantics ARE passionate as well, aren't they? And I simply meant that he is not a cold-blooded calculating type. Anyway, in the Hobbit dwarves were repeatedly told to be calculating - but then they were passionate - look on behaviour of Thorin after Smaug was dead!
a good point about Thorin and I agree that he was calculating. But was he really cold? I rather think that he was calculating in a hot-headed, passionate way...
What about Balin, who seemed to show Bilbo a degree of kindness? And the "young" Fili and Kili? Who else felt saddened at their demise? What about the fat Bombur - did he love food more than gold?
Elrond gives the dwarves assistance when embarking on their quest. His kindness probably stems from more than respect for Gandalf. Elrond was rescued by the dwarves of Moria, during the battle of Eregion (I think).
Gandalf seems to have had some respect for dwarves too, in spite of their arrogance.
I think, while dwarves seem to be "grasping and ungracious" they do have a softer side. They are capable of affection and kindness and are not completely self-absorbed or obsessed with riches (at least not all of them are).
Gimli is still exceptional, but lets give the dwarves some credit for.....humanity?
don't remember the scene...could you be a bit more specific? Like what was the context?
In the scene where Gimli say "oh!" and runs off to Balin's tomb - Gandalf shouts "Gimli" really super fast - If I haadn't already known his name, I'd say "what did he say?"
Swampfaye: Now that you have recreated the Gimli scene, I can hear Gandalf rebuking Gimli for running off alone into the face of the unknown. And I can feel Gimli's uncontrollable urge to find out what happened to his kinsman, so uncontrollable, that he would unthinkingly try to leave the party to satisfy it, just like a wayward student on a field trip. And with a single voice command, the Bene Gesserit Nun, brings the recalcitrant pupil back into line. Hidden in that command was countless memories of rulers on knuckles down through the ages.
(btw they probably did...)
[Edited on 19/3/2002 by iago]
Eryan: It was Aragorn who was looking out for Gandalf's well-being on that trip; and it wasn't because of cowardness that he warned Gandalf away from Moria with these words:
'... I will follow your lead now--if this last warning does not move you. It is not of the ring, nor of us others that I am thinking now, but of you Gandalf. And I say to you: if you pass the doors of Moria, beware!'
Iago: The lady dwarves of R. A. Salvatore did, and as they were modeled on Tolkien's dwarves, we can assume it was a racial trait.
(BTW: I am ready for the final battle in the 'Icewind Dale' computer game, having again finished the 'Heart of Winter' expansion pack. I am replaying these for the third time, each time is slightly different due to selection of weapons found and the type and number of the confronting monsters.)
[Edited on 19/3/2002 by Grondmaster]
I believe Tolkien described dwarf women as being indestinguishable from men to people of other races. I would guess that includes beards. I wonder what attributes dwarf men found attractive in a dwarf woman? strength? stamina? beard length?:o
yea yea, but!!!!!!!!!! lets not forget that he is the Lockbearer!
Plus he's a good engineer. Go Gimli!
Yeah, a rough and tough little guy with a soft heart underneath.
Iago, we should really ask Ungoliant whether female dwarves have beards or not, she'd know
Of course we have beards! It's just that the more progressive, steel-toecaps shunning females tend to go for waxing once a week, that's all.
Tut-tut! Shocking behaviour, that!