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yes, we should Big Smile Smilie
*bites Plastic* ....speciest! Wink Smilie

Gimli son of Gloin is one character that I can truly identify with, although my favourites are Gollum & Bilbo. He's gruff, macho, hot-tempered, proud, stubborn, loyal, sensitive, good engineer, and, er, short. I can really relate to him. He's about the most realistic character that Tolkien ever created...he'll be able to fit in our modern life easily. The rest are either too honourable or too evil.

I liked the bit in RotK:
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He (Sam) scratched his head. 'Can't understand it at your age!' he said. 'But there it is: you're three inches taller than you ought to be, or I'm a dwarf.'
'That you certainly are not,' said Gimli.
I must admit that I rather liked Gimli.

He is wise and articulate, exceptional qualities in a dwarf. He is also loveable for all those reasons Ungoliant mentioned.

I did think he would be a little more visually appealing than in the movie though. He should have a charming smile and a twinkle in his eye I think.
Did you know the old movie "Krull"? It's not my favourite movie, but for me the young prince - Colvyn or whatsoever his name - could be a perfect Gimli if only he could be shorter! Smile Smilie
Sorry, never saw that. Was he good looking? I actually liked what they did with Gimli in the movie...loved his growls. I've always imagined him as touchy and bad tempered...kinda like having permanent PMS.
So you think Gimli might be a little girl dwarf and not told anyone yet?
Could be...maybe that's why he's so into Legolas you reckon? Maybe he's actually Gimlette Littlebottom, Cheery Littlebottom's long-lost cousin on his/her mom's side. Wink Smilie
Doesn't really explain his admiration for Galadriel though....or does it? Hmmmm
Gimli simply IS a sappy romantic. Look at his desire to see Moria and on his delight on seeing the wonders of Kheled Zaram! He is a born Elf-friend, like Bilbo, Frodo, Sam... even if at the beginning he does not know it himself. This may explain both his friendship and good understanding with Legolas, and his love (we need not be afraid of that word - love it certainly was!) for Galadriel.
Impossible love may be true love. I once read a beautiful poem telling about an impossible love between the Indian king Asoka and a... willow tree. It was one of the most beautiful and moving love poems I ever read!
A tree? Now that is impossible. I wouldn't mind reading that, I'd like to see how you can pull it off without becoming farcical.
Yes indeed, I was giving this as an example of impossible love which remains still love. I"ll try to find it and I'll try to translate it for you. It won't be possible to give faithfully the beauty and the sadness of the poem I'm afraid...
Although true love may be stretching it a bit, I don't see why it's not possible, Plastic. I used to have many wonderful one night stands with a bottle of Absolut. Big Smile Smilie

Yes, do that please Eryan. That sounds interesting....I've read some ancient Chinese poetry about a maiden-princess that killed herself over a dragon, but that's not the same thing. And the Japanese used to get gushy over nature too...

And I don't think that Gimli is a sappy romantic....no, no, NO! He's just passionate about certain things, that's all.
Plastic: We thank you for trying; please continue doing so. Smile Smilie

Eryan: Yes Thorin was especially cold and calculating once he found Smaug was dead.
The lust for gold went to his head and he was passionate to keep every single gem and coin, except for the fourteenth share promised to Bilbo. And even there he may have figured poor old Bilbo couldn't carry his share away. As Smaug said to Bilbo
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... "But what about delivery? What about cartage? What about armed guards and tolls?"
But compare that from 'The Hobbit' to Galadriel's speech to Gimli from FOTR.
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Then the Lady unbraided one of her long tresses, and cut off three golden hairs, and laid them in Gimli's hand. 'These words shall go with the gift,' she said, 'I do not foretell, for all foretelling is now vain: on the one hand lies darkness, and on the other only hope. But if hope should not fail, then I say to you, Gimli son of Glóin, that your hands shall flow with gold, and yet over you gold shall have no dominion.'
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I found the poem yesterday evening but it is not easy to translate - I am only half way in it. But if you encourage me, I will try to finish it.
For Gimli being passionate, OK. Well sappy romantics ARE passionate as well, aren't they? And I simply meant that he is not a cold-blooded calculating type. Anyway, in the Hobbit dwarves were repeatedly told to be calculating - but then they were passionate - look on behaviour of Thorin after Smaug was dead!
I'm really trying very hard NOT to make any sick jokes about Golly and her bottle of Absolut :o
totally off the subject, but what did you think when Gandalf (Ian McKellan) said "Gimli!" in Moria. Is it me, or did he sound like he was going to bring out his ruler and smack Gimli accross the hands?
don't remember the scene...could you be a bit more specific? Like what was the context?
Grondy,
a good point about Thorin and I agree that he was calculating. But was he really cold? I rather think that he was calculating in a hot-headed, passionate way...
OK I translated the poem about the love between the King Ashoka and the willow. I'm afraid I did not do a good job. Anyway it's long and so I put it in the Golden Perch in a new thread on "Poetry"...
I wonder just how exceptional Gimli is as a dwarf? How much do we really know about Dwarves? Thorin was a king-in-exile, so he can be expected to be heartless and arrogant in his duty to regain his kingship. Bilbo still seems to have been rather fond of Thorin, given his grief at the dwarfs death.

What about Balin, who seemed to show Bilbo a degree of kindness? And the "young" Fili and Kili? Who else felt saddened at their demise? What about the fat Bombur - did he love food more than gold?

Elrond gives the dwarves assistance when embarking on their quest. His kindness probably stems from more than respect for Gandalf. Elrond was rescued by the dwarves of Moria, during the battle of Eregion (I think).

Gandalf seems to have had some respect for dwarves too, in spite of their arrogance.

I think, while dwarves seem to be "grasping and ungracious" they do have a softer side. They are capable of affection and kindness and are not completely self-absorbed or obsessed with riches (at least not all of them are).

Gimli is still exceptional, but lets give the dwarves some credit for.....humanity?
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don't remember the scene...could you be a bit more specific? Like what was the context?


In the scene where Gimli say "oh!" and runs off to Balin's tomb - Gandalf shouts "Gimli" really super fast - If I haadn't already known his name, I'd say "what did he say?"
Well, I think Elrond kinda "liked" the dwarves of Moria because they were friendly to other races... (not that every individual dwarf of other cultures must have been mean to other races but the Moria:ns were generally open to others...)
Yes, the Dwarves of Moria had a history of trade with the world outside Khazad-Dûm and above their Western Door it read, "Say friend and enter." That is not indicative of a closed society against the other races.

Swampfaye: Now that you have recreated the Gimli scene, I can hear Gandalf rebuking Gimli for running off alone into the face of the unknown. And I can feel Gimli's uncontrollable urge to find out what happened to his kinsman, so uncontrollable, that he would unthinkingly try to leave the party to satisfy it, just like a wayward student on a field trip. And with a single voice command, the Bene Gesserit Nun, brings the recalcitrant pupil back into line. Hidden in that command was countless memories of rulers on knuckles down through the ages. Big Smile Smilie
Returning to the question of dwarves being humane... did you remark that during the travel from Rivendell to Moria it was Gimli who really cared for the well-being of Gandalf?
I think the question with dwarf-women having beard is more interesting... Smile Smilie
(btw they probably did...)
[Edited on 19/3/2002 by iago]
Allyssa: I don't think humanity was limited to just mankind; the elves, dwarves, hobbits, and even ents, also had their share of humanity. That's maybe what made them different from the creatures of the enemy, who if they ever had any, had certainly lost it by the time the story took place. Even Gollum started out with some, but by the time of the Hobbit, only a small amount remained.

Eryan: It was Aragorn who was looking out for Gandalf's well-being on that trip; and it wasn't because of cowardness that he warned Gandalf away from Moria with these words:
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'... I will follow your lead now--if this last warning does not move you. It is not of the ring, nor of us others that I am thinking now, but of you Gandalf. And I say to you: if you pass the doors of Moria, beware!'
From 'The Fellowship of the Ring' Book II, about three pages into Chapter 4, entitled 'A Journey in the Dark'.

Iago: The lady dwarves of R. A. Salvatore did, and as they were modeled on Tolkien's dwarves, we can assume it was a racial trait.

(BTW: I am ready for the final battle in the 'Icewind Dale' computer game, having again finished the 'Heart of Winter' expansion pack. I am replaying these for the third time, each time is slightly different due to selection of weapons found and the type and number of the confronting monsters.)
[Edited on 19/3/2002 by Grondmaster]
Iago, we should really ask Ungoliant whether female dwarves have beards or not, she'd know Wink Smilie
I AM NOT GIMLETTE!!!!!!!!!!Mad Smilie
Hello, Gimli axe wielder. I for one did not mistake you for a female dwarf for one moment.

I believe Tolkien described dwarf women as being indestinguishable from men to people of other races. I would guess that includes beards. I wonder what attributes dwarf men found attractive in a dwarf woman? strength? stamina? beard length?:oWink Smilie
I personaly look at the amount of braids. Wink Smilie
Being able to spit on a fly at ten paces has always been a good attribute to look for in a female dwarf; however, I never have figured out why. I mean, what's the practicality of that? Oh, and probably the most important attribute to look for would be one who snored less loudly than her male counter part. Big Smile Smilie
I'd personaly send her down to the balrog if that was the case.
What about her cooking abilities? and how well can she operate a bellows? And can she do both at the same time?Big Smile Smilie
Hmmm. good point.. I always like a good orc stew.
The dwarves I've known always prefered a good rat stew over orc; something about orc being too stringy. and tasting gamey, almost entirely unlike chicken. Big Smile Smilie
Its an aquired taste
Right. I don't really follow this whole conversation, but it's good to see someone started a thread on Gimli. I personally loved him in the book, and in the movie too. He looked just like I had imagined him to look: rugged, shaggy, rough, tough, bearded, old, but young of spirit, and easily roused. He's a fantastic character, much better than the dwarves in 'The hobbit' were. He was one of my fav's in the movie... Big Smile Smilie
Yes, Gimli does have a certain rough diamond appeal.
A rough diamond, what an excellent description for a dwarf! Tolkien would have been jealous, Alyssa! Smile Smilie
I prefer to think of myself as unpollished mithril... but, as i realize, humans are still obsessed with that stone, i will agree! Wink Smilie
WOW just get a thread on Gilmi this month. That is pretty sad. He is a great character. You have to love him. he is a short, andgry, and mostlikely drunk person. Come on he made a game out of killing orcs. Until i read the Two Towers he was my fav. only to be replaced by Leglos. If you like one you have to like both they go hand in hand. He may be greedy and mostlikely smelly but who cares. Gimli is great.
I thought he was so funny! One of the most funny characters in the book. He kinda fell out of the group, because he was different from everyone else, I thought. I mean, there were four hobbits, Legolas (elf) and Gandalf (wizard) and Aragorn (Ranger, but heir of Isildur) who got along very well, you know, the wise people, and then there's Gimli. I loved him, I can tell you that! Big Smile Smilie
SMELLY... DRUNK... GREEDY!!!!!!!!




yea yea, but!!!!!!!!!! lets not forget that he is the Lockbearer! Wink Smilie
Gimli was a Dwarf in all aspects but one, and that one was his becoming enamored with the source of that lock; In Love Smilie and it was how he handled that bitter-sweet experience, that made Gimli so lovable, in my eyes anyway. Smile Smilie
Gimli was adorable even before he started drooling over Galadriel! He's all gruff and tough and rough on the outside, but inside he's just an old softy. He's one of those people that you'd be lucky to have as a friend, because although he doesn't make friends easily, he'll be a good one for life. Unless you're his enemy of course, in that case he'll never forget.

Plus he's a good engineer. Go Gimli!
Thats more like it people! Big Smile Smilie
I always felt that Gimli was a cuddly teddy-bear of a dwarf. I just wanted to hug him! He was so cute and funny! I could just imagine the pranks he would have played on Legolas that we didn't know about...Ha Ha Ha Smilie

Yeah, a rough and tough little guy with a soft heart underneath. Smile Smilie
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Iago, we should really ask Ungoliant whether female dwarves have beards or not, she'd know

Of course we have beards! It's just that the more progressive, steel-toecaps shunning females tend to go for waxing once a week, that's all.

Tut-tut! Shocking behaviour, that! Shaking Head Smilie
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Never ask a lady about her beard... Very Big Grin Smilie
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