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And besides....Trin will not fight Morgoth alone....he will have both Tulkas and Enw (if Im not mistaken) on his right and left side
Tulkas will be in the middle, Enw on the left and Trin on the right.
Aha....well...Tulkas takes Morgoth with his pinky.....Enw is the greatest in the skill of war wasnt he? I think I read it somewhere......Tulkas is the strongest.....Trin is a man who has to get some piece of the action to avenge the Edain!
Easy excuse for Maeglin : he was in love with his niece Idril Celebrindal, but it was prohibited of course so he found other ways to have her.
Maybe ... but can you name another Man who dares to fight with Melkor, He that Arises in Might, Morgoth Bauglir, the Dark Enemy of the World? And I mean "fight", not defy him like Beren or Hurin.

Namarie!
Fight? don't forget that Morgoth's feet were chopped off at the end of war of wrath and that turin is gonna be assisted by tulkas and eonwe, so turin is just gonna deliver the death blow after tulkas and eonwe prepared him.
Well, if Morgoth's feet were chopped off, then how did he managed to escape from the Void? how did he slipped past the guards? If he started a final battle, than he had to have some sort of power left in him, hadn't he?
Btw, I don't think Tulkas would've needed any assistance: he took care of Melkor alone before!

Namarie!
Sauron pushed Morgoth in his wheelchair out of the void. after all, sauron is his number 1 minion.
Or maybe Morgoth is gonna walk on his hands or something.
It didn't say his feet or rather his foot was cut of at the end of the war of wrath. It says they hewed them from underneath him. This could mean they just swept them from underneath him with a stafe of spear pole forceing him on to his back or front. Don't forget that once he returns to the void he will regain his ability to change shape also.
It could mean both. If i was Morgoth, i wouldn't leave the Void at all, because everyone says it's predestined some wiseguy is gonna kill him.
Yeah, Morgoth would have to be careful: the wiseguy has a lot of reasons to kill him! Actually, can you name a Child of Iluvatar who wouldn't like to see him gone for good (this time! hehe)?

Namarie!
Lots of Easterling-guys or Haradrim.

And maybe Maeglin.
Oops, there are those guys, I completely forgot about them! My mistake ...

But, then, what do they know? They all have been twisted by Melkor or Sauron. As for Maeglin ... well, let somebody else find him an excuse; I can't think of any at the moment!

Namarie!
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Lots of Easterling-guys or Haradrim.
Melkor refused the Easterlings the lands they were promised. I also don't recollect the Haradrim ever meeting Melkor!
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Melkor refused the Easterlings the lands they were promised. I also don't recollect the Haradrim ever meeting Melkor!
Technically, from this sentance, the Haradrim were actually Easterlings. There is some confusion, because the term Easterling has a different meaning in the Third Age to what it did in the First Age (when Melkor did indeed deny the Easterlings Beleriand.

By the Third Age, Easterlings are considered to be the people who come from the lands East of Rhun (such as the Balchoth and the Wainriders).

In the First Age, however, Easterlings referred to all the Men who migrated West after the three Houses of the Edain. By definition, therefore, any Man who isn't Edain (or a Numenorian/Dunedain or Rohirrim descendant) is an Easterling. This would include many of the tribes which eventually became the Haradrim, but not the Dunlendings (who were descended from the House of Haleth).

After the awakening of Men at the beginning of the First Age, Melkor had spent much time personally corrupting many Men. The Edain had migrated west to Beleriand out of fear of Melkor, but many of the others had become his servants. It is quite likely, therefore, that Melkor would have met with the tribes from which the Haradrim were descended.
Mae govannen!

Virumor, I think u meant his cousin, not his niece!

U make a good point there, Val! Melkor did reach the non-Edain hearts' and that's a shame! The Darkness just took over at some point ... *sighs*

Namarie!
The Dunlendings were Haladin???!!! Missed that one, could you refer me to a source?

Hurin has to be most valiant; his defiance of Morgoth "in his presence" wasn't a momentary act spread out over years, and there's no record of a similar defiance by anyone (the Silmarillion calls Maeglin brave, but Morgoth still broke him, and quickly enough that his absence wasn't noted; one wonders how he explained the absence of the other miners on his return.) Hurin is not called Thalion for nothing.

Now, if the original post disqualified half-elves (late, as always) then Earendil is disqualified, and, in fact, Aragorn as well, technically (while Elros chose to be counted among Men the fact remains that his genes were half-Elven twice over.) Otherwise, I'd have to give the edge to Earendil sailing into the west with mortal blood and Noldorin in Exile, even after repeatedly failing. He had no reason to expect even to arrive, and every reason to expect a harsh judgment, but he did what he had to do.

But if we limit it to pure Men, Hurin Thalion, then his son. Defiance is not necessarily folly, and this is the difference between Turin and Earnur Last-King. Earnur rode off to avenge his wounded pride; Turin was the Black Sword of Vengeance.

Now, an additional word on Aragorn....

It's obviously true that much of the poignancy of the Trilogy stems from the way in which the Third Age was so diminished, a faint echo of the Elder Days (and therefore is impossible to appreciate without the Silmarillion.) However, in Aragorn the blood of Numenor ran nearly true; he had NO peer among Men, not in Amroth, not in Gondor. His task, like that of Hurin and Turin, appeared hopeless, but he succeeded nonetheless. Does he stack up to the mortal heroes of the First Age? Who knows; they weren't measured against the same challenges, but Aragorn is more akin to them than his fellow Third Age Men, even those of Numenor.
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