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I don`t think what I`m saying is making any sense to be honest. Do you?
No, but we haven't let that stop us, have we. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

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I have a question here, how old is Legolas?


Since it is not mentioned in the LOTR Appendices that Legolas was born in the Third Age (whilst it is mentioned when the other main characters of LOTR are born - although it is arguable whether Legolamb is an important character) it is quite certain he was born somewhere in the Second Age. So this would mean he is older than 3020 years.

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Legolas seemed too 'young' for an Elf to be that old. I mean, in elf terms, that's not TOO old, but he doesn't act as if he's old; he seems casual, almost jovial, and 'in the prime of his life,'

Well maybe Legolamb acts like this in the books (like when he is singing, seems he sings more than speaks) because he is allowed to leave his woodlands and go play outside for the first time by his illustrious father, King Thranduil.

I also like to point out that JRRT didn't mention Legolamb's hair colour. So he could've been a redhead.


[Edited on 4/12/2003 by virumor]
I have a question here, how old is Legolas? My friend asked me of that and I just couldnīt answer her! Sad Smilie Do you know it? If yes, please tell me! Big Smile Smilie
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I have a question here, how old is Legolas?
Katakutur: Welcome to our forum. Happy Elf Smilie

While Tolkien never told us Legolas's age, the "2,931 years old" specified in the Official Movie Guide is incorrect, that much is certain. A better educated guess has been provided by our member Sepdet via the link below, which says at least five hundred years, but more probably between seven to eight hundred years young.
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[url=http://www.istad.org/tolkien/legolas.html]Everything there is to know about Legolas. While Tolkien never came out with an exact figure, he left enough clues behind to answer the question "how old is Legolas?" at least approximately. See the "What's His Age?" section.
I always thought that 2,931 was preposterous; Legolas seemed too 'young' for an Elf to be that old. I mean, in elf terms, that's not TOO old, but he doesn't act as if he's old; he seems casual, almost jovial, and 'in the prime of his life,' as Grondy's article said. Wink Smilie Elf Winking Smilie
When your people/race lives forever, age doesn't really make a differance. And unless they had a REALLY hard life, they stay young forever. Elves in general love life, love nature, love all that is beautiful, and love to sing about the things they love, and might appear silly at times.. Elrond has a lot on his mind, a lot of responcebility, there is war comming, his daugher will marry a human and she will wither and die and then he will never see her again, AND he has to figure out who to send on a suicide mission to Mount Doom. It doesn't actually make you wanna sing and dance. Unless you're a psycho of course Wink Smilie
Well, Elrond looked neither young nor old : his face was ageless. (take that, Hugo Weaving)

The only elf who looked old was Cirdan the Shipwraight. (Shipwraith heh) That dude even had a beard (take that, Legolamb).

And i think it is more a burden than a blessing to live forever... those stupid elves are bound to Arda for all time and can never leave it. I wonder what those dudes in Valinor do all day : singing, dancing, writing poetry...... what an exciting place! The Elves should have been grateful that Melkor/Morgoth lived the place up a bit.
Legolas's age - as you have noted, it is not attested in any Tolkien work, at least that I have found. However it is useful, fiction-wise, to believe he was born about the same time as Arwen, namely the third century of the Thrid Age (around 241). This could fit with demographics. Arda would have been recovering from the Battle of the Last Alliance. A "baby boom" could have occurred. By Elven standards, it could have lasted a couple of long-years. That would account for Elrond's Children, Legolas, and any number of fictional characters. I sure would like to know how the Official Movie Guide came up with his age, although I believe it is close enough. Regards - Chathol-linn
Hi Chathol. Nice to see you around again. You got any more of those excellant Legolas stories for us yet?
Orlando Bloom gets all the good parts in the movies. Such as POC (Pirates of the Carrabien), LOTR (Lord of the Rings), and Troy. He didn't have a big part in Black Hawk Down though. Sad Smilie
Orlie Doom gets the good parts? Hell, no. He gets the part where he gets the girl. Except maybe in Black Hawk Down and LOTR where he was an unknown (why didn't he remain so?) Well, Jack Sparrow's (or Captain Jack Sparrow as he would prefer to be called) had obviously the better character. And in Troy, Paris is just a useless commodity. Eric Bana (as Hector) and Brad Pitt ( as Achilles) (I liked Eric's acting in the movie) are the main characters. Also, Orlie Doom needs acting lessons seriously!
I thought this thread was only for discussing book characters? So what's orli doing in here?

I could be wrong though.
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I thought this thread was only for discussing book characters? So what's orli doing in here?

Orlie is just having a brush with the notoriety that he had gained by playing Legolas in LOTR! Somehow since this thread is about Legolas.....Orlie seems to jump in and out of the conversation. But of course...you could be wrong Vir!
i read somewhere that elves were not allowed to share names, maybe im imagining that? if so, im pretty sure i saw a Legolas Greenleaf as a member of one of the houses of Gondolin, could Legolas from LotR be in any way related to this gondolindrim?
Could you give a quote about that? I'm pretty sure there is only one Legolas Greenleaf mentioned in JRRT's works : only in LOTR.

I think you confuse with Glorfindel, who is both mentioned in the Silmarillion, as a Lord of the House of the Golden Flower of Gondolin, and as a High Elf of Rivendell. But JRRT solved this by making this Glorfindel one and the same person.

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Orlie is just having a brush with the notoriety that he had gained by playing Legolas in LOTR! Somehow since this thread is about Legolas.....Orlie seems to jump in and out of the conversation. But of course...you could be wrong Vir!

Orli didn't play Legolas, he played Legolamb.
nope im not confused, i know all about Glorfindel, but there was definitely a Legolas mentioned in Gondolin, of the house of the tree, was a guide during the escape in the mountains, i believe he ismentioned in the book of lost tales 2
Either way, it is unlikely they would have related. Legolas was a Sindarin elf whose family originally came from Doriath. The Gondolins were Noldor Elves. The Lost Tales contain some of Tolkien's earliest writings. In these he oftern uses different names for characters than what they eventually became called. In some instances some of the names get swapped around and reused by different characters. If Legolas gets used twice, this is possibly what happened.
'It is a pity,' said Legolas, 'that Gandalf cannot go before us with a bright flame, and melt us a path.'
'It is a pity that Elves cannot fly over mountains, and fetch the Sun to save them,' answered Gandalf. 'Even I need something to work on. I cannot burn snow. But I could turn Legolas into a flaming torch, if that will serve: he would burn bright while he lasted.'
'Spare me!' cried Legolas. 'I fear that a dragon is concealed in the shape of our wizard. Yet a tame dragon would be more useful at this hour.'
'It will be a wild dragon, if you say any more,' said Gandalf. Tongue Smilie
I don't remember where this came from but i cant see elves as old even as the twins at 2900+ years insulting Gandalf in this manner. I think, and I know I am not the only one, who would place Legolas' age around 500. this would be during the time of peace of the TA but more towards the end which would explain why he had never traveled to lothlorin.
That's not insulting, just some friendly banter.

One can't talk about the end of the world all the time.
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Either way, it is unlikely they would have related. Legolas was a Sindarin elf whose family originally came from Doriath. The Gondolins were Noldor Elves. The Lost Tales contain some of Tolkien's earliest writings. In these he oftern uses different names for characters than what they eventually became called. In some instances some of the names get swapped around and reused by different characters. If Legolas gets used twice, this is possibly what happened.'


Not all the Elves of Gondolin were Noldor but you are correct in that at the time Tolkien wrote this very early version, this Laigolas Legolast was a Gnome. ('Note: Laigolas=green-leaf (...) But perhaps both were his names, as the Gnomes delighted to give two similar sounding names of dissimilar meaning, as Laigolas Legolast, Turin Turambar, etc. Legolas the ordinary form is a confusion of the two.' JRRT, BLT)

Tolkien had actually altered The Grey Annals to include many Sindar: when Turgon sent his people forth from Nivrost to Gondolin they constituted 'a third part of the Noldor of Fingolfin's House, and a yet greater host of the Sindar' (compare to the constructed Silmarillion). Although in the very late essays on Glorfindel he seems to have forgotten this, or revised the idea again, stating that Gondolin was 'occupied by a people of almost entirely Noldorin origin.' Even with 'almost' here my guess would be that Tolkien had possibly forgotten the idea in the Annals.

We have no great reason (that I know of anyway) to connect the character from The Lord of the Rings to any elf in Gondolin. JRRT's 'updated' Fall of Gondolin was abandoned fairly early, but he did revise the story behind the name Legolas from the early 'confusion of two Gnomish names' (the language called Gnomish being abandoned)... to a Silvan version of Sindarin Laegolas.
To me dear Legolas is one of those firstborn that quietly comes along side to do good, help out where he can and asks nothing for himself of renown or accolades. He is gentle but easily angered on behalf of those he cares for if they are threatened.
He is wise and he is not foolhardy, his attitude toward the Balrog shows t hat. He is respectful and often he seems lighthearted.
I call him a deep thinker and the woods and trees call to h im as it were and he loves to be around them, love them and learn from them .
He is a faithful loyal friend, betraying no one and that is why it was easy to love him.
I don't think he was j ust another elf in some respects for he saw the quest to its end and he could have been slain.He was not invincible.
Vir dear did I just read up there the words'stupid elves'? That is a little harsh is it not. Come now you don't really mean to call us stupid elves, now do you? Not you dear sweet Vir? it must have been a slip of that golden tongue no? Smile Smilie
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Vir dear did I just read up there the words'stupid elves'? That is a little harsh is it not. Come now you don't really mean to call us stupid elves, now do you? Not you dear sweet Vir? it must have been a slip of that golden tongue no?

Never mind that, I apparently wrote that 37 years ago.

Now I have become wise enough to not waste any breath on Elfies.
And in these last to posts can be found some more friendly banter betweenst friends.
Menecairiel,
I must say I am totally intrigued by your description of Oslo. A city of grumpy people. Love it.
I feel about too hot of places the way you feel about snow. I cannot bear it. Perhaps it is because I fell asleep in the sun when I was a teen and woke up in hospital and was very very ill. But even before that, I preferred spring , then winter, then fall. So I can empathize, for I lived at that time in a desert area that was so hot the parched ground always had heat waves sizzling up from it. yuk......Sad Smilie
I wish the character of dear Legolas would have been fleshed out considerably, but what I learned of him I admired and respected a great deal.
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I wish the character of dear Legolas would have been fleshed out considerably, but what I learned of him I admired and respected a great deal.

Well, Legolas tried hard, very hard, to do exactly what you wished, but unfortunately Gimli prevented him from doing so by eating all the lembas.
Nah, I think we've all come closer to accepting Orlando Bloom's portrayal of Legolas. I mean, come on, he was SUPPOSED to be a fair elf, and light and nimble (in the books). And he was SUPPOSED to be good friends with Gimli, too, so we shouldn't grudge Gimli his share of lembas... (and he did eat a lot before he left Lorien, according to the book).

And admit it, people, you wouldn't feel comfortable if someone manlier like Karl Urban or Viggo Mortenson had been cast as Legolas.
I don't like orlando bloom's as legolas in lotr. But i like his character in troy, a treacherous coward. Frankly i prefer the legolas in the book to that of the film, the fim one is too superficial for me.
My favourite Orlando Bloom appearance was in Midsomer Murders - young Bloomie was stabbed by a livid mother with a hay fork for having seduced her hapless daughter.

Priceless! If only this would have happened to Mr Darcy in Pride & Prejudice as well and all would have been perfect.
DON'T EVEN sugggest such a horrible thing for Mr.Darcy!!!! Mad Smilie
VIR!
Remember we have little ones on this site dear, don't give t hem any ideas!
While I do not care for Mr. Darcy myself, that is just too terrible to think of. I propose merely sending him off on a trip around the world from which he never bothers to return. And anyway Miss. Elizabeth was tedious, always wrong about people's characters, well for the most part, and she truly got on my nerves. She belileved any gossip that suited her and disbelieved truth as it suited her. And I believe her when she joked and said that since she saw Mr. Darcy's home he went up in her estimation. grrrrr. They deserved one another really.
I liked the Legolas on film. I think that Orlando, being very thin with a sensitive face, was perfect. I never heard of him before, nor had I read the books yet so I was fine with him.
The thought though of Viggo or Karl playing him is ........silly. wrong builds and facial features.
Vir........have you ever thought of attending anger management classes or taking up basket weaving? I hear both can be very profitable and calming. hahahahahahahha Smile Smilie
Thank you, Leelee... I think Orlando Bloom was quite good as Legolas, too. Although admittedly, he's not as mysterious or powerful as other Elves like Galadriel or Elrond. But he had that sense of camaraderie about him, which was what characterized him most for me in the book. And Orlando Bloom also had that sort of yearning look whenever he was near something pretty and high-Elven, which was another of his major characteristics from the book-- yearning for the West.

But Vir and Leelee... DON'T suggest that about Mr. Darcy.
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And Orlando Bloom also had that sort of yearning look whenever he was near something pretty and high-Elven, which was another of his major characteristics from the book-- yearning for the West.

No, that was just the "constipated from eating too much waybread"-look.

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While I do not care for Mr. Darcy myself, that is just too terrible to think of. I propose merely sending him off on a trip around the world from which he never bothers to return. And anyway Miss. Elizabeth was tedious, always wrong about people's characters, well for the most part, and she truly got on my nerves. She belileved any gossip that suited her and disbelieved truth as it suited her. And I believe her when she joked and said that since she saw Mr. Darcy's home he went up in her estimation. grrrrr. They deserved one another really.

That is why tis called Pride & Prejudice.

LEGOLAS!! NICE ELF!!

Honestly, even before the movies, I was never a huge fan of Legolas. I never disliked him, but he was just another character to me. I thought Bloom did a good job (acting wise, he didn't write the script that made him do certain ridiculous things), but even still, film or books, I was never mesmerized by him like many seem to be. Great character, very well written, but just didn't do it for me....

Other than the Mumakil Tarzan scene which was a little over the top, I thought he did a good job. I love the scene where The Eye of Sauron visits Edoras via the Palantir. Legalos and Aragorn standing outside in that beautiful setting on the balcony at night.

"He is here!"

Also right at the end where he looks at the newly Crowned King Ellesar and nods towards Arwen hiding behind her banner.

I also think he did a good job. It was the writers that messed him up. The Mumakil scene was one example, but I think an even worse one was skateboarding Legolas. I admit it's a cool little move, same with the Mumakil scene, but it's soooo cheesy I couldn't help but "snarf" instead of be left in awe.

I see Bloom the same way I saw Daniel Day Lewis for years after seeing Gangs of New York. I always have trouble picturing what he really looks like, because when I think of that person, I first think of the character they played. Bloom being Legolas, Lewis being Bill the Butcher. I swear for years I could never remember what DDL actually looked like because he was so....natural in that role. Everytime I thought of him I pictured him is striped pants with mutton chops and a top hat. So Bloom will always have long flowy blonde hair in my mind, and not some gym rat scruff and cheesy mohawk...

Legolas was awesome. orlando bloom played him well

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