Welcome to Planet-Tolkien Arwen_Ringbearer.*Methinks we have something in common* I hope you get as much enjoyment from this site as I have.

I believe that the relationship between Aragorn and Arwen is a crutial part of the story as she is, in a big way, a motivator for Aragorn to succeed in overcoming The Shadow and fulfilling his birthright as King.

I'm not saying this is the only reason Aragorn wanted to be King, but I'm sure it played a part.

PJ did a very good job of intertwining the stories from the Appendix with the main story from the book. And though many people scorn Arwen's extended role in the movie adaptation, I think PJ kept it at an acceptable level so as not to take away too much from the rest of the book.

The best way I can think of to explain the necessity of Arwen's greater role in the movie is:
The appendices are actually intended to be read and serve to elaborate and enrich the depth of the story; so if one were to say that the 'extra' scenes with Arwen are not really part of the story and should not be in the movie, then I would have to disagree because the events involving Arwen and Aragorn recorded in the Appendix run concurrently with the main story and give us greater insight into Aragorn's character as well as Arwen's.

Many of the scenes can be justified with a quote from the Appendix, eg: In FotR when Arwen talks to Aragorn by the shards of Narsil, giving him encouragement "you will face the same evil and you will defeat it"

In TTT when she appears to Aragorn in a dream and when she kisses him after his near-death in the river:


I think the main reason why so many guys don't like Arwen featuring so much in the movie is because they are affraid of / or don't understand the concept of true love. I mean it's very different to the kind of love found in teen flicks and putrid, mushy romances.

As for Galadriel giving Arwen Nenya, it doesn't make sense to me because in the book she takes it with her to the Undying Lands; and now that in the end the One ring is destroyed, all the remaining rings have lost most (if not all) of their power so there would be no point to Arwen receiving Nenya. But that remains to be seen, since Arwen_Ringbearer has some inside info.
*this little elf is green with envy*

Galadriel will give to Arwen her kingdom, if you have seen pictures or like me have attended some of the first shoottings for The Return Of The King you would have seen Arwen's outfit. She will get married to Aragorn and doing that she will no longer be a peincess but a queen. Galadriel will be leaving Middle-Earth and she will give to Arwen her crown and Nenya, the Ring Of Adamant. Further more, I don't know about you but Faramir is not really good looking........ wonder why Eowyn loves him...... he is a lot better than many but Aragorn is Always The King.

Huh? What? Us guys understand the concept all right,(or at least I do) I never watch those rotten shows for teenagers, and I don't think that they represent real life at all. I liked Arwen in the movie, I didn't mind the changes with her at all.

No offence at all Arwen*Evenstar*

Arwen_RingBearer and Arwen*Evenstar*, you 2 need to check the post of the week. Congrats ladies!!!

I do not think anything of the TTT, because it is not true. I do not like how they put arewn in the TTT. It made me mad cause they are my favorite characters.
I just di not like the TTT movie at all.

~Irima-arwen

Arwen do you think Viggo Mortenson is hot?

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He is not!

I wasn't fighting, i was simply educating some girls who don't seem to accept the truth that Viggo Mortensen is not hot. i would know. I'm almost a teen. And Orlando Bloom isn't hot, and neither is Leonardo DiCaprio, and neither is any of those ones that girls swoon over..... Hugh Grant is good-looking, but not HOT......

You know, some girls need to get a grip. But we aren't fighting on the net. We're just expresing our different views.

I definetly think they were truly in love. You wouldn't just give up your immortality to be with someone you kinda "like". Also, they were seperated from eachother for long periods of time and still were in love with eachother each day. And the fact that she waited around for him while her father was telling her he was probably dead shows her love for him. Eowyn on the other hand was just attracted to his manliness (who wouldn't be?). I don't feel she got to know Aragorn that well. Just face it Eowyn you just wanted to get in his pants sorry if I'm getting a little x-rated for you guys. Anyways theirs my input and it's probably like said that done that. I'm always one pace behind! hehe

I think they really must love each other. Arwen decided to leave her people, give up her immortality and stay in ME for Aragorn, and in my opinion the fact that he would have let her go is also an evidence for his love.
Personally I have to confess I somehow like Èowyn more than Arwen. (The reason therefor is that a friend of mine told me how wonderful and nice Èowyn is before I knew LotR myself, and she influenced me that much that I still prefer Èowyn somehow... weird.) And I think that Èowyn and Aragorn would have made a lovely couple in the movies, they fit together better than Aragorn and Arwen - considering the way they look like together.

As was Aragorn's Ring of Barahir, which had originally belonged to Galadriel's brother, Finrod Felagund. He gave it to Barahir, the father of Beren, for rescuing him. This ring was passed down father-to-son and eventually became the heirloom of the House of Isuldur.

The impression I got in the books was that Eowyn was less succcessful in hiding her feeling than she thought, or maybe those around her were too perceptive. The way I recall it he was tactfully silent on the whole issue until she forced the issue then made it clear where he stood. The movie version seemed like "Well, I'm gonna die anyway, may as well have some fun first." Not very Aragorn-like. Or Tolkien.

I'm totally with you on Liv Tyler as Arwen, btw; when I heard she had the role I almost had to buy a new TV. About the only Elf I liked was Elrond, the more surprising since it was Agent Smith. I was livid when I heard say on Letterman that she knew some "Elvish" (there is no "Elvish," Quenya or Sindarin,) but have since noticed it's a common oversimplification. No way she should be at Bruinen regardless; Glorfindel earned an onscreen appearance before Arwen (or her father) was born. I thought Jackson did do a brief flashback to Appendix A though, but I don't really know as the films were something I only endured once out of obligation and years of impatience. He got all the hard parts right and blew the story. Unbelievable.

When I first read about Arwen's unconsoleable grief after Aragorn chooses to die at a propitious moment.... I thought a) Gee, Aragorn could have chosen to stick around a few more years, help his wife and the love of his long life over her issues with death? .... then of course I realized he probably had tried, and finally decided, 'here's the moment' -- not wanting to keep his son from reigning nor wanting to cause Arwen more grief by losing his memory, eyesight, hearing, mobility, & etc., before death....

b) Why can't Arwen grieve, and then move on with life, comforting her children, and being comforted by them, etc., etc.? But then I considered her background: Though she's known Aragorn for over a hundred years, this is "but a season" to her -- she's lived her whole (thousands of years!) of life before meeting him within the elvish frame of mind. that is to say -- EVERYONE she knows and loves as family, she probably grew up expecting to be with FOREVER -- even those who leave on the ships headed West aren't dying -- they will all go, and meet up again in Valinor in "a little while". She's given up all of that to be with Aragorn; and now he is gone. She's never had to deal with the death of a family member from old age. What else can she do but grieve and give up her life doing it? It seems to be the only chance she has of following him into "human" death instead of the elvish re-incarnation/halls of mandos bit. She is only one-quarter human, and culturally, she's 100% Elf. Also -- what would happen if she was able to deal with the grief? Would she not outlive her children, and their children, and -- this would multiply her grief; being the lone elf (albeit a queen) among the peoples of the world, all her elf-kindred gone West, all her children and grandchildren and their children ever more and more human, each generation with a shorter life-span....

This also puts a kinder light on Elrond's attempts to discourage the A/A union. He knows, of course, the grief of losing a family member to human death - his own brother chose the human half of their heritage. He also knows the grief of separation with his wife, and the comfort of knowing he will meet her again in the West -- It is one thing to part forever with your beloved daughter, it is another to know that even after that parting, she will still endure the grief of Aragorn's death to come!

Elanorraine didn't say Arwen was an Elf, she said she was culturally an Elf. She grew up learning things Elvish rather than those of Men, so when Aragorn died she was left in an alien city with only her grown children for comfort. She was a fish out of water.

Elrond was right in trying to protect her; however, Aragorn just like Beren before him, fulfilled the task set by his future father-in-law. Once that was completed, Elrond could do nothing less than bless the union.

I think Arwen had the best of both worlds. She lived as an elf for 200+ years and only when she decided to stay with Aragorn did she have to 'make the choice' and then live out the rest of her long life as a mortal.

I choose to say 'mortal' rather than 'of the race of Men' because she never became 'a Man' (as in of the race). She was never completely one or the other but was half-elven and in my mind she stayed half-elven. That was her race. Her choice merely decided which half determined her destiny.

In Letters Tolkien says:



So half-elven was as much a race as was elf, Man, dwarf etc. Elrond, who made his choice, was still known as half-elven.