Thread: Glorfindel and Lindir
After all these thousands of years. Bilbo the hobbit brought a refreshing new breath of air into the Elves dusty lives. This was why they excused his faux pas, that his interest in their tales of old was for real, also endeared him in their hearts.
When he took up residence in Rivendell, Bilbo had already developed his reputation as an elf-friend, due to his fair handling of the Arkenstone between the Dwarfs led by Thorin Oakenshield and Bard, who was backed by the Mirkwood Elves. And of course, being a friend of Gandalf didn't hurt either.
But this thread is about two others of Elrond's household, one who got little print in Tolkien's story and the other whose part in that story was usurped by a mere maiden in PJ's film.
I liked Lindir too. I always find polite and tollerant elves very refreshing.
Glorfindel. Well, what is not to drool over? (I assume LaurŽlin_Mallenuial has no objection to drooling in this thread? ) He finds the hobbits and Aragorn floundering about in the wild, he tries to help Frodo and even risks his own horse. There is little doubt in my mind that Aragorn and the hobbits would have been lost without the good Elf-Lord.
Glorfindel was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face was fair and young and fearless and full of joy; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was strength.
I love Glorfindel too. Your quote, Allyssa, is one of my favorite parts in LotR, the description of this Elf is amazing. I must say that I did not like Glorfindel much when he first arrived, but liked him much better when he got to Rivendell (and when I read the book a second time) And of course I loved him when I saw that they had replaced him with Arwen in the movie! (Don't ask me about that topic or you will get a LONG reply.. )
I never really got a glimpse of Lindir. I liked him being nice to Bilbo though. It is good that we are not told much about his character, I think, because then we can just imagine it up ourselves.
How had he seen the Two Trees? I thought he was one of those Elves who was born in ME...
If they werenīt then itīs easy:P Glorfindel is not the Glorfindel from Gondolin!
So, either Glorfindel in LoTR is the same Glorfindel of Gondolin, or he is someone else of the Noldor who carries the same name. But, this cannot be since it is mentioned that of the Noldor, only Galadriel stayed behind after the First Age. So LoTR-Glorfindel = Gondolin-Glorfindel (in my humble opinion).
From The History of ME Vol 12, Chapter 13 "Last Writings"
An elf who had once known ME and had fought in the long wars against Melkor would be an eminently suitable companion for Gandalf. We could then reasonabley suppose that Glorfindel (possibly one of a small party, more probably as a sole companion) landed with Gandalf-Olorin about Third Age 1000. This supposition would indeed explain the air of special power and sanctity that surrounds Glorfindel - note how the witch king flies from him, although all others (such as King Earnur) however brave could not induce their horses to face him. For according to accounts (quite independendt of this case) elsewhere given of Elvish nature and their ralations with the Valar, when Glorfindel was slain his spirit would then go to Mandos and be judged, and then would remain in the Halls of Waiting until Manwe granted him release...When they were re-embodied they could remain in Valinor or return to ME if their home had been there. We can therefore reasonably suppose that Glorfindel...was released from Mandos and became himself again...It is indeed probable that he had in Valinor already become a friend and follower of Olorin.
Tolkien goes on to speculate on when Glorfindel arrived in ME. He was unsure (undecided) as to whether it was with Gandalf or if it was earlier (in the Second Age). It still seems clear that Tolkien liked the idea that the two Glorfindels were one and the same.
(Someone please correct my French; it's generally terrible.)
Sorry, but I don't speak French and one of our rules is you must use English on our Website.
That said, I hope you can speak English and we can get to better know you.
Let's go back to English now, my French is very limited.
We seem to have gone rather off topic. What was this thread about again?