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posted on 3/2/2003 at 09:41
What do you suppose the Ring would do to the different major characters in LOTR if they were the Ringbearer instead of Frodo?



What do you think it would do to YOU if you had to carry it into Mordor?





Well, I can say for sure, I'd never make it. I would be so corrupted by the ring, I don't know what I'd turn into. rI'm just too weak to ever be a ringbearer. The Ring would consume me before I even had the chance to say Sauron... Big Smile Smilie
I think that the only member of the Fellowship who had any chance of getting the Ring into Mordor other than Frodo is Sam. The other members of the Fellowship already have a certain amount of power in their hands, so it would be even more dangerous for them to be in charge of the Ring.

(This follows from the same logic that keeps Gandalf and Galadriel from taking the Ring. The Ring gives power according to its bearer; having a powerful Ring-bearer is dangerous for the unlucky person and the whole world.)

Most likely if there was another Ring-bearer, the Ring would not have gone to Mordor; they would have attempted to use the Ring against Sauron and then everything would have been lost...

Frodo and the other Hobbits, though, have no particular power outside of the Shire. I think that, beyond strong will, helped Frodo resist the Ring. He knows he can't command armies or rule the world; since he has very little real power and never has experienced it, he isn't tempted as much.

Any of the Hobbits might have been ok carrying the Ring if they understood the gravity of the situation as well as Frodo. Merry and Pippin may have been too irresponsible and not taken things seriously enough, but I think that Sam might have been able to handle it. But that sort of leads to the question, would Frodo have gone with him and stuck with him the way Sam did?

That right there might be the biggest problem if the Ring-bearer had been anyone but Frodo. Assuming that the bearer was able to get into Mordor, what would have happened then? By then, the Ring would have worn anyone down the way it did to Frodo. The quest was only successful because Sam was by Frodo's side the entire time; there wasn't so close a bond between any two other members of the Fellowship.

And so now I've come to a totally different conclusion than I started with. I don't think anyone would have been successful except for Frodo. And now I also re-read the actual question and realized I didn't actually answer what you asked, musicimprovedme...sorry Tongue Smilie ...here's my two cents' worth anyhow...

Also, God help us all if I was the one to carry the Ring...odds are I'd get lost or fall into a hole somewhere...
Chikakat, you aren't the only one who would probably fall in a hole. If you care to read it, I posted a postBody at one of the pubs about being clumsy. I have fallen in a hole a few times and it's NOT fun.

Thanks for taking the time to post, isn't it funny how we talk ourselves around to the other side of a discussion?
And Sam, when the ring came to himand he wore it, had a moment of grandeour and just like Galadriel, let it pass him by knowing he was only a little fellow in a big wide world, and he went in search of Frodo.

Yes, Sam would have tried to destroy The One Ring. We can only hope that Merry or Pippin would, but have nothing but their racial background to base this on, IMHO.
I think that Frodo is the only one who could have destroyed the Ring... Sam would definately have tried, but he isn't very trusting, he probably would've tried to get to Mordor with just his Hobbit companions and inevitably have failed; he never would've trusted Smeagol to guide them.

I too think that Merry and Pippin would've been far too irresponsible - they probably would've played around with the ring til one of the wraiths captured them.

Boromir like a true power hungry megalomaniac would've tried to be king of the world - I doubt he would even have waited for Denethor to die before claiming the throne for himself (or maybe I'm being a bit to harsh). Anyway, after Sauron had overcome his fit of laughter over Boromir's efforts to overthrow him he would've taken back his ring and sentenced Boromir to a lifetime of torment and torture.

Any of the more powerful characters: Gandalf, Aragorn, Galadriel, would've defeated Sauron and restored peace and order in Middle-Earth, but eventually would fall into darkness (some sooner than others) as the remainder of Sauron's spirit would live in them through the ring and would've corrupted the inner core of their souls.

If I were given the ring, I'd probably try to hide it in the hope that Sauron would never find it, which he ultimately would. Very Sad Smilie
Hobbits is verry strong speaces and Frodo is like a Bilbo most of time can give ring to somebody.You have see what ring do to Isildur and Boromir.I think that nobody else then Hobits can't caried ring in Mordor and destroyed him.many of you knows that Gollum was hobit too but he have ring too much time Wink Smilie
It's acutally quite simple. This goes for all characters in Lotr. First you would notice a change in your hair pattern. In a few days you'd have a mullet haircut and a beta-max player attached to your horse, followed by boot cut bell bottoms and some sort of hippie-liberal t-shirt to clash with your redneck persona. When all is said and done you would diminish into the old forest with radagast, beorn, and Tom bombadil, and become some philandering tree-hugger.
Yup, a complete character change could be the result of taking on the ring. However, being already a capital "L" Liberal, I don't see the end result of Komosot's description as being evil personified. Maybe what he described was only as seen through the eyes of a red-necked skin-head and what one of them might consider to be an evil metamorphous. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
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*runs off to hug a tree in the old forest, while wearing dangerously wide flares and a t-shirt saying: "You can't hug a child with nuclear arms" and a peace symbol.
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For the record, I think that Frodo was the only one who could resist the ring for long enough to get it to Mount Doom (even Frodo failed at the very last). My belief is that the task was appointed to Frodo, or rather, that Frodo was born for the task.

For the races of ME, I think that an Ent would last the longest, next an Elf, a dwarf, then a human.

For individuals of the Fellowship:
Aragorn: Maybe, he was educated by the elves, so would have a fairly strong sense of the importance, but he also had weaknesses for the ring to work on, like pride in his ancestry, a desire to do good and help others and his love for Arwen (what if the ring suggested to him that he could win his crown and her hand in marriage with its help? or save her from death?)
Gandalf: ditto everyone else
Boromir: a complete disaster
Sam: he had a trace of stubborn pride, he would fail
Merry and Pippin: both too young and irresponsible
Legolas: the very idea of taking the ring would horrify him - he would refuse to do it.
Gimli: maybe. Before his encounter with Galadriel, he would fail, but if Galadriel commanded him to destroy the ring? But of course, Gimli has many faults, pride and love of beautiful objects (as well as beautiful elven-women Wink Smilie ) which the ring could use to its advantage.
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Gimli has many faults, pride and love of beautiful objects (as well as beautiful elven-women ) which the ring could use to its advantage.
Yes, can't you just picture how The One Ring would bend Gimli's infatuation to its ends: Whooee! Celeborn had better watch out, because GGL (Gimli, the Great Lover) is on the make for his woman. Super Scared Smilie

I'm glad Tolkien spared us from having to under-go such an ordeal. Happy Elf Smilie
Wow. What an awesome question.

If anyother person besides Frodo was the barrer, the plot and story would have changes so much. It wouldnt be as good.

Personally, I couldnt be the ring barrer. I could probably be a good Sam but do not give me and all powerful ring that I could use to control the world. I've thought about that too many times and I couldn't take it.
Ladyoflegolas asked the question "What if Sam had been entrusted with Ring instead of Frodo?" in another thread. Rather than reiterate what I said, I'll do what any self-respecting lazy bum would do- copy and paste Big Smile Smilie

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Long, long ago when we still used the PT email discussion thingy, several of us debated this exact issue... we never did come to any conclusion

I think it depends on your opinion of Sam. As you may or may nor know, we have a number of ardent Samwise haters around here. Fortunately, I am not one of them!

I think Sam might have made a better ringbearer than Frodo. The reasons for this are complicated... in a nutshell, I think Sam, being just a tad "simple" was slightly more immune to the effects of the Ring than Frodo.

If you recall, Sam gave up the Ring to Frodo in Cirith Ungol with only the slightest hesitation. Up to this point, Bilbo had been the only being to ever willingly give up the Ring... and then only with some heavy prodding from Gandalf.

Now, you may say, "Well, Sam only had the Ring for a very, very short period of time relative to Bilbo or even Frodo, for that matter." But if you consider the fact that Gandalf refused to even touch it for a split second then you could come to the conclusion that for most beings, a split second is long enough.

I think Sam showed extraordinary resistance to the power of the Ring. And though I can't say for certain that he would have been strong enough to do what Frodo couldn't, I do think he would have been more likely to do so than Frodo. Does that make any sense?
wow. Such amazing discussion! I never added my two cents worth (amazingly) so for what it's worth (maybe 1 and a half cents) here's what I think.

First of all, I think in all these considerations you have to look at a person's or race's particular characteristics, both strengths and weaknesses, and what they are known for doing, both good and bad, as well as how those things might be magnified or perverted by the Ring...and then ask yourself, "Is this someone I would want as an Enemy?" "Would I be able to withstand this person/race if they were infinitely more of themselves than they are OR if their characteristics were used for evil?"

I think all the men in the story would have been horrible Ringbearers. They all had deep streaks of pride, both personal and for their own kingdom or family. It can be argued that each man in the story had his own REASONS for being proud or seeking glory, etc...but if the Ring were to distort or magnify this trait in any of the men, it would have been disastrous. We also have to consider that at least one of the men, King Denethor, was actually opening himself up to the Enemy with a seeing stone. For him to have had the Ring would have been especially fatal.
King Theodin had his heart in the right place and was extremely brave but did NOT, in my opinion, show very good judgment and was easy to lose faith on behalf of his people (thinking here of Helm's Deep). Aragorn would have gone ape with the whole "I'm the real King" mentality and I think he would have become a tyrant with the Ring but in saying this, I don't think he abused his power in the story as written, he was very diplomatic and humble, he seemed to acknowledge and follow his destiny without rubbing it in the other guys' faces. Boromir is a definite no brainer...he just never got the point about how the Ring would never serve him well...he would not have had the proper respect for it. He was also too bitter from the beginning about why his people stood in the wings to be replaced as Stewards of Gondor by a forgotten King who shows up to take over at the last minute. He probably would have used the Ring to raise his family's status to that of Royalty at the expense of Aragorn. Faramir seems to be purer in spirit to have MAYBE handled the Ring but I don't think he could have taken it to Mordor. SO NO MEN...or women for that matter, I wondered about the Lady Eowyn but I don't think so because she would have gone mental, suffering deeeeeeep depression with the Ring. Wormtongue got to her even though he was in place to brainwash Theodin. The Ring would have reduced her to a pathetic suicidal maniac or maybe a militant feminist.

The wizards? Too powerful. They would have become Black magicians.

The Ents? Strong and fast? Yes. Wise? Yes. Just? Yes, especially when it comes to avenging the forests. BUT the Ents would have burned up in Mordor, given all the fire. And they would have been too loud to be sneeky. AND I think that since they were tree shepherds, they might have gotten a bit full of themselves about the trees and gone on a rampage against anyone who ever used wood for any good purpose or damaged a natural resource etc. Rebel treehuggers.

Tom Bombadil? YES. I think Tom should have gotten OFF his lazy lovestruck butt and taken over for Frodo. Tom had no power, wished for no power, and seemed just DENSE enough in not understanding the Ring's influence, that MAYBE he could have taken the Ring to Mordor. On the other hand, if the Ring warped Tom's confidence, he would have been a complete EGOTIST...and if it were to touch what musical talent he had, we might have been left with some freakish concoction like Michael Jackson.

The dwarves? NOPE. A little too proud, a little too selfish, a little too industrious...and a little too preoccupied with shiny things found underground.

The elves? NOPE. Immortal beings could not be trusted with that kind of power because if they can't handle it you are stuck with them for a VERRRRRRRRRRRRY long time. It could be said though, that if there were any redemption called for, in the matter of the elves creating the Rings that eventually bound them to the ONE RING, then an elf Ring bearer that destroyed the one they did NOT make...would do it. I still think not though, they excelled in too many artistic things that would have been bad news in the hands of the enemy. Healing could have turned to poisoning. Archery skill could have been used against the Free People of ME rather than for them. ETC.

Orcs. Um....No.

That leaves us with the hobbits. As a race, I think it would have had to be a hobbit. Which one? Bilbo, nope. Too much affected by the ring already. Too attached to it. Merry and or Pippen? They deserve a little credit, they were not so different from the other hobbits of the Shire, and Frodo, they had not yet come of age, which would make them even more innocent than the typical hobbit and we have discussed that innocence is actually what made Frodo so resilient to the Ring. I think Sam would have made an excellent Ringbearer, agreeing that he would need to be surrounded by an equal if not identical fellowship that Frodo had...Sam just had one flaw in my opinion, he was not very confident, and I think this had to do with the servant mentality. He thought so little of himself that he may not have ever believed that carrying the Ring to Mordor was something that he could do.

And what would I DO with the Ring of power if it were entrusted to me? I would get lost with it, get hurt on the way there, and if I decided to use it for my own evil gain, I would probably be very hateful to other people. I am so opinionated (I know you all find that hard to believe Smoke Smilie ) that it would be easy to be a complete dictator. "My way or the Highway, everyone!!"
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The Ring would have reduced her (Eowyn) to a pathetic suicidal maniac or maybe a militant feminist.
Even without the ring, she made a good job at trying to do both right up to the time she gave the late Witch King of Angmar his a-tad-bit-low haircut and where she gained her reputation as one hard-***ed, cold-hearted, lady who took lip from no one. Orc Sad Smilie

After which thankfully, they convinced her she had done her part, gained her spurs, her fifteen minutes of fame and glory, by having accomplished what "No living man" could do, she had permanently hindered the Lord of the Nazgûl. Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie

However, had she the ring, Faramir would never have been able to help her melt the ice and become instead a person of lovingness. Making Out Smilie
Lovingness....good word inventing Grondy! Smoke Smilie You should create a whole language like Tolkien did.
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Gimli - would prob resist it for quite a while, as dwarves have great resiliance. But dwarves are stubborn and greedy too, so my guess is he would also take it for himself eventually.

Gimli would of made it far....Remember that I created his race to resist the evil of Morgoth....and Morgoth is much more powerful and more evil than Sauron....him being a maia and Morgoth a Valar......the mightiest of the ainur(Ilúvatar himself said this!)
Gimli would resist the ring and throw it into the fiery cassums of Mount Doom.....or he would of given it to me Big Laugh Smilie so I would destroy it.....because what could Sauron do against the mighty power of the Valar Aulë? hehehe NOTHING!!!
Shaking Head Smilie I think not! Gimli, if he didn't trip over his beard, and he wasn't a klutz no matter what PJ's movies show, he would have attacked the first orc he saw and after slaying forty-three of them would have been overrun allowing Sauron to obtain the ring in the end.
Note: this is a pretty wild ride. it's long, but as I was writing, I went in a very unexpected direction with this. I feel a bit dazed!




Physical resiience, and even competence and dependability, have no effect against the Ring. I've been in a philosphical thread on the power of the Ring to corrupt and seduce its bearers which has ranged into some very deep, dark, frightening places. It's made me understand the power of the Ring much more.

The Ring doesn't really play with rational thought either. It stealis into the subconscious; that's its arena. The Bearer isn't aware of being changed, but is being changed from within, once the Ring takes hold.

Resistence depends on several things.

-- one's desires. It will tempt you with those, including the desire to protect your friends, home, etc. Even good desires can be the chink through which it steals into your subconscious. Anyone with a strong yearning for something would be vulnerable.

That rules out Aragorn, who wants to defend men, who wants to be worthy of Arwen and win her.

That rules out Boromir, and indeed we see what it does to him.
That probably rules out Gimli, who's less greedy than some dwarves, but still: he wants Moria to rise again. He wants to remain in Lórien. And he desperately wants to be near Galadriel, so much that he takes an elven-ship to find her.

I don't think the Ring would necessarily help them win their desires, so the Gimli/Galadriel idea need not make us shudder. I think that's simply one of its angles of attack. Its goal is to take over, not help, its bearer.

--one's understanding.

Oddly, innocence can be a slight protection. Bilbo has what I call the "idiots and little children" field, which lets him bumble through dreadful situations largely on luck. He does also become the party leader for a while, but in general he's like the Tom Simple archetype. The trouble is he could only get so far on luck and his own initiative. He's missing something.

--Sam understands pretty well, but still hasn't quite got it. He reacts to surface things: Bill frightened by the wolves, the sight of his dad being driven out of his home "with his bits and things in a barrow!", seeing the orcs dragging off his master. He reacts, and he's got sense and competence, but he doesn't have a deep level of understanding, in the area where the Ring operates. The one that whispers for you to put it on, to escape, to dominate, or whatever it is that it thinks will slip past you. Or, as with Bilbo, it bides its time and waits for his slow decay into corruption. It has time: it prolongs its bearer's life. It's like a parasite that deliberately keeps its host alive as food.

--the other hobbits may have their own strengths and weaknesses, but they're really like Sam: competent, sensible in the everyday world, but so comfortably "normal". Pippin gets drawn to the Palantir by touching it; obviously it wouldn't take long to get him. I don't think Merry is that different. These magical things are really, really dangerous. They work at your will to make you do irrational things, and you have no idea the object itself is causing the problem.

But more than anything else, there is something decidedly odd about Frodo. He's got a purity to him, at the beginning, a sort of nobility (for a hobbit) but never the almost ignorant innocence of Bilbo. Frodo sees the land beyond the boundaries of the Maps of the Shire. That's not just literal; that's psychological.

Before he ever left the Shire, he was speaking to Elves, keeping apprised of the goings-on in the outside world through Gandalf, dwarves, or from what sources he could manage. That's not very hobbit-like! And most of all, he's able to step outside of himself and the Shire and see his people for what they are: the simple, lovable, ignorant, kind hobbits so very sheltered from the world beyond. He understands them. He understands Sam.

Frodo has a very unique awareness of things.

The Ring grants power according to the stature of its bearer. With the Great, it tends to turn them into awesome rulers. With the weak and unethical, it turns them into slimy, corrupt, not very powerful creatures. With Bilbo, it just made him even more eccentric, but also restless (he couldn't stay still, the very problem that got him out of the Shire). Yet Bilbo's power, according to his stature, was mostly confined to getting out of sight of Lobelia. He couldn't do much to the Ring, and it couldn't do much to him beyond slowly eat him away.

I note also that Bilbo becomes the decision-maker for dwarves after getting the Ring. Probably just coincidence, but it opened up his Tookish side a bit more steadily.

But it granted Frodo some very strange powers, according to his stature, which it never granted anyone else. And I think that's because of his nature.

One thing the Ring does is yank people into the Wraith-world or spirit-world, if they're not there already. Gandalf calls it "the other side" when Frodo wakes up in Rivendell and tries to reconstruct his journey to the ford. Those who live in the solid world only get yanked across, making them invisible. Others, like Sauron and Elves and Maiar (and Tom, evidently) exist in both places.

Frodo sees into that world when he wears the Ring.The hobbits and Aragorn are very dim presences in that plane, but the wraiths are easy to spot, and Glorfindel is a blinding figure of light.

With Frodo, he seems to have an even greater awareness of things and people when he puts on, something not emphasized with Bilbo. Of course, Sam felt that too, fot his hearing definitely improved. But Frodo understands some things too well: his role, Gollum's psyche (in the books it is Sam, not Frodo, who pushes Gollum to the fore), Boromir's condition, even Galadriel's hidden desire ("you begin to see with a keen eye," she says). When Frodo puts the Ring on, he sees and senses people even more than he did already-- not to mention that he senses Sauron, or Gandalf shouting in the distance, "take it off, you fool!"
Most of Frodo's ring-incidents seem to involve supernatural awareness.

But there's something more. Aragorn said the Morgul-knife was drawing Frodo into the wraith-world, and that Frodo would become a wraith like them, under their control.

Gandalf seems to think differently,

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Gandalf... took a good look at Frodo. The colour had come back to his face, and his eyes were clear, and fully awake and aware. [There's that awareness again: much is made of Frodo's eyes, even in the books.] He was smiling, and there seemed to be little wrong with him. But to the wizard's eye there was a faint change, just a hint as it were of transparency, about him, and especially about the left hand that lay outside upon the coverlet. 'But that must be expected,' said Gandalf to himself, 'He is still not half through yet, and to what he will come in the end note even Elrond can foretell. Not to evil, I think. He may become like a glass filled with a clear light for eyes to see that can.'


Almost the way Nenya, to Sam, is no more than a star he glimpsed past Galadriel's finger, but Frodo saw Nenya clearly.

Look back at this. I always assumed Gandalf meant where Frodo's journey would take him, geographically, But clearly that's not what Gandalf is thinking about. He's thinking about something almost spiritual, something definitely connected to the Other Side-- where Frodo is beginning to be pulled.

The Ring didn't do that to anyone else. Bilbo had it for years and never started going transparent -- i.e. crossing over -- nor did Gollum. "He is not half through yet" almost seems to have a double meaning here.

Where it really, really jumps out, though, is when Frodo masters Gollum. The scene is somewhat parallel to when Galadriel is tempted, briefly overmastered by the Ring's call. Frodo, on the other hand, shows mastery. He appears to Sam as a tall figure with a wheel of light, almost like a great Elven-lord. That also is utterly unlike anything the Ring has ever done to anybody. Frodo's not only going over to the Other Side; his appearance on that side, for a split second, comes into the solid world, so that even Sam can see it. Frodo is already starting to become what Gandalf described:

"for eyes to see that can."

Also I think it no accident that Gandalf is exactly describing Frodo's ultimate state as being like the gift Galadriel gave to Frodo, although I still can't quite put my finger on what this means, except to say that there is something in Frodo a little like the Silmarils, the phial of Galadriel, and things like Nenya.

At a guess, I'd say he was not only "meant to have the Ring", he was by nature suited to it in a way no one else was. He was born twenty years after the Ring was found. Tolkien did have Eru, God, the Valar at the back of his mind while writing this: a Power meant Frodo to have the Ring, a hobbit born after the Ring was found. Frodo was orphaned early on and Bilbo, the Ringbearer, took him in. I'm not saying that Tolkien's postulating Frodo's course is being steered altogether by divine will; his free will dictates his footsteps. But his nature is a factor in his successes and failures, his wants and desires.

Frodo wants to protect the Shire's innocence.

So does Gandalf.

After he casts the Ring away, Frodo can no longer access that part of himself on the "other side". He feels pulled to it. He has to go to Valinor to heal, like all the other Ringbearers, because there, I think, the barrier between solid and spiritual worlds collapse, and both are one.

What I'm getting at here is that while Bilbo had a Tookish side latent in him, Frodo, on whom Faramir detects an "elvish air", who observes patterns, people, and things as an outside observer more than most except Gandalf, has -- well, there's really no other word for it-- a latent spiritual side to him. Not with much power. But there is something in him that makes him able to straddle the boundaries of both worlds.

Something not very hobbit like.
Something like a Maia, but much, much weaker.

Yes, he was meant to have it.

[Edited on 4/24/03 by sepdet]
Beautiful! Had this been written last week I would have chosen it for PotW. Cool Elf Smilie

(If you want to edit again, "hear" was meant to be "year." And as we don't have indent tabs, you also might want to double space between all paragraphs, as the long blanks at the end of some sentences look funny. I know, this is just a board, but well written may as well be ascetically pleasant to view.) Teacher Smilie Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

[Edited on 24/4/2003 by Grondmaster]
I know it's a bit late to answer these questions, but … what can I do? I'm new here, after all! So…

First, I just want to say that sepdet’s post was great. He has already explained an important side of the matter: the spiritual one. I mean, before we could start wondering what would the characters in LotR do with the One Ring, we should ask ourselves what was the Ring meant to do in the beginning!

The Ring is, in the end, ultimate power (talking on the Middle-earth level, of course!; Eru and the Valar not included). Its purpose is the control of all living beings in ME. To control in such a manner, you would first have to possess a great strenght of your own (Sauron fits the description, being one of the most powerful Maiar, if not even THE most powerful one). But that’s not enough; you would then have to put an important part of this power into the Ring. When it’s all done, you wait and pray nobody cuts your finger. (hehe, just kidding!).

Hobbits – the most unlikely creatures imaginable.
BILBO would’ve made an almost perfect Gollum, except he didn’t kill for the Ring; he just lied. (big deal!)
SAM? If it wasn’t for his intolerance and his stubborness … well, who knows?
MERRY could’ve tried to take the Ring into Mordor, but we don’t have any guarantees he would’ve succeded in doing so.
PIPPIN was a little too imature for the job, in the beginning; later, it would have not matter anymore!

GIMLI would probably try to restore Moria to its former glory, while having Galadriel on one side and Legolas on the other. (hehehe)

Men – who are so easily corrupted.
ARAGORN cannot be trusted with the Ring; he’d either try to confrount Sauron or he would take his kingdom back. Aragorn, the Dark Lord of Middle-earth, just doesn’t sound right!
BOROMIR would take the Ring, not for his father (as Denethor said), but for himself; he would then try to defeat the Enemy, but even if he’d succed (which, let’s be honest, is highly improbable!), he’d still have to face his own temptations.
FARAMIR, whilst wiser than his brother (he doesn’t even want to know the thing Frodo’s bearing), is still human and thus he’s exposed to mistakes.
DENETHOR should not get close to the Ring: he is a man of great strenght, no doubt, yet he can’t match with the Sauron’s will.
THEODEN is a great warrior with a great heart, but he couldn’t perceive the Enemy’s subtlety; he was controlled by Saruman, through Grima, so there’s no way to tell how he would react against Sauron.
EOWYN would see in this a chance to show her valour, while her brother EOMER would try to bring glory to Rohan; in the end, they would both fail!

Elves – immortal, most beautiful and wisest of all beings.
CIRDAN, the eldest Elf on ME, would know better than to play with the fire, so he would give the Ring to Gandalf, like he did with Narya; if not, what then? As far as we know, Cirdan’s only goal is to ensure that the Eldar can go to Valinor whenever they want; how would he use the Ring (or, better put, how would the Ring use him?), I do not know.
GALADRIEL, the wisest Elf on ME, explains quite clearly what would happen if she would take the Ring: “Instead of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen, not dark, but beautiful, treachorous as the Sea, stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!” So … better keep an Eye on that Ring, Sauron! You can never know …
ELROND proved his wisdom since Dagorlad, when he told Isildur to destroy the Ring; he even took him into the heart of Orodruin, but it was the King’s choice not to end Evil that day. Elrond knows what to do with the Ring; but can he do it? Would he throw it into the fires of Mount Doom? Could he give up such a tremendous power? I’m not sure he could …
CELEBORN would probably do his best to get rid of the Ring, but let’s not forget the effect it has in general (it corrupts) and especially on Elves (it frightens them)! So no one could tell what would happen to him …
ARWEN – what would she do if she had the Ring? Would she give it to Aragorn, “like her heart”? I think not … but, then, I’m just human, I can’t possibly understand Elvish psychology! So I may be wrong …

Ents – the sheperds of the forests. I’m afraid the only thing an Ent would do with the Ring would be to strike anyone who’d try to cut some wood! It makes sense, right?

TOM BOMBADILL – hmmm *thinking whether to sing this opinion or not* Tom is an extremly odd character. He seems to be a nature spirit, but what does an unknown nature spirit do in Tolkien’s mythology, where everything has an well-determined place? And if he isn’t a force of nature, what is he? Is he Ainu (Vala or Maia)? Cause if he is, he would have the best chance to destroy the Ring! He doesn’t care about it (I think he’s the only one on ME with this attitude towards Sauron’s creation) and he’s not affected by its power (or by its evil). If he would leave his little realm, he would probably destroy the Ring!

Istari – the Wizards from the West.
SARUMAN would try to be the ruler of the Earth; he likes order and discipline so much that he ME would have a new tyrant! He might have a chance against Sauron, but the Ring would finally destroy him. That is, if Sauron doesn’t do it first …
RHADAGAST cares so much about the kelvar and the olvar that he would probably do his best to defend them. But where does the defence end, leaving place to offence?
GANDALF explains what would happen if the Ring would pass to him: “Don’t tempt me, Frodo! I cannot take it! Not even for safe keeping! Understand, Frodo, that I would use this Ring from the desire to do good … but, through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine!” Gandalf knows that the Ring’s essence is Evil in its purest condition: to take it would mean to replace one Dark Lord with another one!


As for me, I would probably try to use it against Sauron, but I would fail, in the end, so Middle-earth would be doomed!!!

Namarie!


[Edited on 29/9/2003 by bugyfeanor]

[Edited on 29/9/2003 by bugyfeanor]
Like most people have already said, I think Sam would be next in line to take the Ring and destroy it.
I don't think I could destroy it. I'm very passionate about anything and everything I do, but eventually the Ring would probably use that against me and I'd end up the next Sauron...¤shudders¤
Well im not sure but maybe i could do it. When i really want to do something(which is very rare,ask my mom) then i pursue that until i finally do it. I have a very strong will power that ,sadly, is rarely used. >But it would be cool to see me as the Dark Lord. heheh, i would sure be one mean Sauron substitute.
Yeah, MEAN is the word.
i think i would have fallen down a cliff (shattering all my bones, but probably letting me die in agony as my blood seeped through a hundred holes) in Emyn Muil, where the Ring would have eventually been found by Gollum, who would have stupidly stuck it on his long skinny finger. then he would stupidly try to rule the world and live near the ocean, so he could have "fissh! Fressh from the Sea, three times a day!" then Sauron would've captured him, taken the Ring, and torture him again, this time to death.



(btw, im not always this pessimistic, im just in a bad mood)
It seems to me that wearing the ring is the dangerous bit. Once worn, the wearer becomes increasingly susceptible to its power.

Elrond knew of the Ring but never wore it and maybe he should have tried harder to get it destroyed. Sam was also an onlooker and watched as Frodo struggled to destroy it. Frodo, having worn it and carried it for some time was not able to resist it and failed. Sam, had worn it briefly, but had been able to give it back to Frodo, albeit reluctantly. Could he have taken the ring from Frodo (probably not, when you consider how Frodo changed at the very end) and destroyed it, or even pushed Frodo and the Ring together into the fires of Mount Doom?

As for the wonderful Faramir - his strength was in resisting the Ring in the first place even though he was a Man. Had he have been given the Ring, felt its power etc.... would he have been able to resist its corruptive powers? I think not.

I agree with Bugy's earlier post - who among the main character would have successfully taken and controlled the Ring? None of them. Everyone was in danger no matter what they intended to do with it.

I find it interesting that Gollum had the Ring for soooooooooo very long and although he became wasted and corrupted he never tried to RULE the world. He just wanted to keep his precioussss safe and away from Sauron whereas others who came under its influence wanted to use its power.

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I find it interesting that Gollum had the Ring for soooooooooo very long and although he became wasted and corrupted he never tried to RULE the world. He just wanted to keep his precioussss safe and away from Sauron whereas others who came under its influence wanted to use its power.
That is interesting, however as Gollum was in seclusion for most of the years the Ring was in his keeping, he hadn't any idea that Sauron was looking for it. He only learned that fact after he had lost it.

Yes, Gollum wanted to keep the Ring safe, for it led to his source of easy food. He had no ambition, thus it had little leverage to force him out of his hole towards its return to Sauron. An yes he was totally corrupted by it, except for that tiny spark of humanity(?) which Frodo tried to use toward the rehabilitation of the Smeagol side of Gollum. Too bad this was another of Frodo's failures.
in The Two Towers, Smeagol/Gollum starts singing about ruling a kingdom by the sea, so that he can get fresh fish as much as he wants. poor Smeagol. all he wants is to be well-fed! is that so much to ask? ok fine, he wouldnt really need the Ring to get fish to eat, but it would make him so so so so so so happy!
Gwaihir...perfect candidate, eould only be tempted by prospect of more sheep to eat!
Flies over Mt Doom drops ring in...end of book.....Oh hang on...
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You know what, I don't think it would've mattered who had the ring. JRRT would probably have finished the story with Sauron's defeat. The good old funda. Bad guy cannot win. I mean, humanity has to win, doesn't it? Good has to prevail!!!

Well, I'm not sure I'm qualified to say all this, but I think Frodo got the ring because of Bilbo. Now, I think the most important thing to consider here is the message Tolkien gives out. "Even the smallest person can change the course of history." I think he gives so much importance to the hobbits for this soul reason. Then because of his awesome talent and imagination, he manages to create a masterpiece, but that is a different issue. Anyways, I think in the end, its a matter of "against all odds". I mean consider the Gwaihir situation. Thinking practically, JRRT can't afford to do that, because in the end, he has a story to tell and a message to give. If it hadn't been for this thinking of his, I don't think it would've been Frodo. I mean the Hobbit was about Bilbo wasn't it? Again, a case of "against all odds". Am I making any sense??

BTW, that reminds me of the dialogue in Swordfish. Anybody's seen that movie?
Ya'know, there's always been this little question just sitting in my mind. Why didn't Sam take the Ring from Frodo for a short amount of time so that Frodo could rest, especially if he knew that it was corrupting him slowly. i mean we've already established that Sam probably could have made it just as far as Frodo did so why not? Frodo feels that it is his duty to destroy the Ring and that he is the Ringbearer, but if he knows that the Ring may corrupt him into another Gollum (which ME deosn't need by a long shot) why wouldn't he let Sam take it so that they could get their job done easier and faster? Exploding Head Smilie
Because the Ring's corruption causes suspicious jealous greed in its bearer, who after a lengthy period of carrying it, could not bear the thought of voluntarily handing it over to another. Sam offered to carry it a couple times in RotK and each time almost got his head bitten off by Frodo. Look at Frodo's reaction in the tower at Cirith Ungul when Sam found him, and when Frodo discovered that Sam had saved the ring.

Bilbo was only able to give the Ring away because Gandalf brow beat him and he hadn't used it very often, and when he had, he was located a great distance from Mordor, for the Ring grew in power the closer Frodo got to Mordor.
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i mean we've already established that Sam probably could have made it just as far as Frodo did so why not?


Could Sam have made it though. The Ring concentrates its power on a person's weakness in a bid to corrupt them. For those seeking wealth, glory or power, this makes its task easier. Sam did not have these faults; he was a simple man. This very simple nature combined with his great loyalty may have proved his downfall, however. If he was in possession of the ring and knew Frodo was in danger, I believe he would have used it as a last resort to save his master or to protect the Shire.
First of all, Frodo wasn't allowed to lend the Ring to anyone, even not for a short while : orders from the Council (not the PT Council).

Second, Frodo wasn't able to hand the Ring over to anyone, due to the mind tricks the Ring was playing. Note that everytime Sam was implying "Perhaps i could carry it for a while", Frodo saw a greedy Gollumish Sam instead of the real Sam.

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This very simple nature combined with his great loyalty may have proved his downfall, however.

Just the fact that he doesn't desire to rule over anything, but just wants a little hobbit hole with his own garden would be the reason he could make it. Mt Doom was close enough at the point Frodo "died" so he could've made it.

Of course, due to his simple nature he'd probably get lost and probably reach Mt Doom after the armies of the West had already been butchered before the Morannon. What a Pyrrhic victory that would've been.
Shucks, I thought Virumor in all his wisdom was going to tell us:
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The reason Sam couldn't complete the task was because once he got to the base of Mt. Doom, the Ring feeding on his one great ambition (to be a master gardener) caused him to plant and nurture a fairy-flower garden; and in the excitement of trying to meet this challenge, he forgot all about destroying the Ring. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I thought Sam did start to get a bit empowered by the ring, when he took it from Frodo when he thought he was dead. He started to think himself brave etc.. etc.. He did take the ring off but what would have happned to him if he had kept it. Was he strong enought to finish the job Question Smilie

Sam did have some anger in him, didn't he Question Smilie He really didn't like or trust Gollum.

Wasn't the ring powerful enough to corrupt anyone Question Smilie

Do you think anyone in LOTR could have had control over the ring Question Smilie Question Smilie

Sorry so many questions!!!!! I'm looking for sooo many answers - have only been into Tolkien for the last 3 years - that's when I first read LOTR (Have read it 5 times since).
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Wasn't the ring powerful enough to corrupt anyone.......

......Do you think anyone in LOTR could have had control over the ring


Of the Children of Eru, I don't think any could ever hope to master the ring. The fact that Gandalf was afraid to take it himself, also implied that an Istari could be corrupted. The Istari had been given flesh, however, so that they would better understand Men and Elves. It was maybe this flesh which gave them weaknesses towards the Ring.

One person in LotR does seem to be unaffected by the Ring, and that's Tom Bombadil. It's almost as though the ring is outside of his interest, just like some trinket. The ring was unable to turn Tom invisible, but that does not mean he had control over the ring.... he was just unaffected by its effects. Gandalf mentions afterwards, that given time, Tom would have just forgotten about it, and lost it somewhere.
I think Aragorn could have possibly succeeded. Then again, now that i think abou it, he was needed to fight in the war of the ring and carry his whole King Destiny thing. But besides that I think he maybe could. He had the power to resist it from Frodo at Amon Hen. I can't remember though was that in the book or just the movie. (wow I say its time for me to read the book again) I can't remember him being tempted alot in the book. If you can prove me wrong, please do! haha He would be able to defend himself well and he knows alot about the lands. In my mind he would be a suitable choice. He could fall to the rings obsession, but Frodo didnt (he did have sam however) so why wouldnt Aragorn learn to go on. He would probably need a companion just like Frodo, but i dont know who would be suitable.
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He had the power to resist it from Frodo at Amon Hen. I can't remember though was that in the book or just the movie.

That was in the movie.

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In my mind he would be a suitable choice. He could fall to the rings obsession, but Frodo didnt (he did have sam however)

Frodo fell for the Ring as well, when he was standing before the cracks of Mt Doom. It was at that point Gollum bit off his finger and accidentally stumbled into the fire (whilst in the movies, Frodo pushed him in).

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But besides that I think he maybe could.

No, as the Eye of Sauron would be constantly on Aragorn : he would never be able to reach Mt Doom without being taken captive.

Don't forget Sauron thought Aragorn had taken the Ring for himself, after the latter showed himself to Sauron in the Palantir - this was also the reason why the whole diversion by marching to the Morannon, worked.