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Chameleon thats ok. My working hours are eccentric so I'll be on at diffrerent times myself. Bit hopefully next week I can get something started but I'll keep people posted. But u r welcome to come along when it starts

A! Elbereth Gilthoniel!
I would be interested, though i don't know how often i would be online Wink Smilie .

sounds like a great idea to me Darous. I will try to join as often as i can.
Thanks Darous!

I look forward to next week then.
Right well from what I've heard people are interested so lets go.

Farewell we call to hearth and Hall!
Though wind may blow and rain may fall,
We must away ere break of day
Far over wood and mountain tall.

To Rivendell, where Elves yet dwell
In glades beneath the misty fell,
Through moor and waste we ride in haste,
And whither then we cannot tell.

With foes ahead, behind us dread,
Beneath the sky shall be our bed,
Until at last our toil be passed,
Our journey done, our errand sped.

We must away! We must away!
We ride before the break of day.

Right so thats the first one the Farewell Song of
Merry and Pippin.
Now I could say that it's a poem which follows the
4 line structure and how each line ends in rhyme.
And how the first 2 lines all rhyme but the third and fourth stand alone but its not off putting. As you read it the words flow from your mouth with ease. I can imagine standing at the outer boundaries of the Shire and singing this song, and then just turning on and trudging down the road.
Looking at the poem, I think that the words
mild in well with each section "farewell we call to hearth and hall! Though wind may blow and rain may fall." I maybe overlooking or just thinking strange thoughts. Or
stating the obivious.

But the first part to me is very Hobbity or earthy"hearth and halls, wind and rain, wood and mountains" and the second part very elvish which it is "Rivendell where elves dwell and glades bneath misty fell". The third part is very
factul and it makes me think that they don't want to be
on this journey at all. And the final part rhymes.
So the floor is open please give your insight into what I have written and any other poems you want to look at. I haven't done this sort of thing for a few years now so I'm a bit rusty. So if theres a few things which I babble about thats life but let me none the less.
So lets go
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Now I could say that it's a poem which follows the
4 line structure and how each line ends in rhyme.
And how the first 2 lines all rhyme but the third and fourth stand alone


Not really, the first, second and third line all end in the same rhyme, and the third line rhymes with itself, 'away', 'day' etc.

but i do agree that it flows rather smooth.

(pst, i have never done one of these darous! Wink Smilie )

~Chame~
Great idea for a Guild, Darous! I will certainly pop in as much as I can.
And about the poem: I agree with the rhyming thing. The poem is modeled after the poem in the hobbit that starts Bilbo on his adventures-'we must away ere break of day/to seek the pale enchanted gold'. I also noticed that the line: 'and whither then we cannot tell' is like the line at the end of the Walking Song: 'where many paths and errands meet/and whither then I cannot say'. To me this seems to express a sort of humbleness, that the hobbits are swept up in great events that they cannot fathom. Well that's my two cents worth. Good poem, good guild Darous. Big Smile Smilie
Good idea Darous. Happy Elf Smilie

Moderator Smilie But remember we shouldn't be copying Tolkien's complete poems here as that violates the copyright laws. However, in the Green Dragon Tavern I have posted a thread containing many of Tolkien's poems a more legal way by noting the copyright owner, leaving the poems incomplete,and referring to the volume where the entire poem can be found. Teacher Smilie

Some day each of those poems in that thread will show up when you look for them by clicking on Poems in the menu to the left under *J.R.R. Tolkien*. Wiggle Smilie
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But remember we shouldn't be copying Tolkien's complete poems here as that violates the copyright laws

This is something that we will have to be very careful of. The best way to handle it, Darous, would be to post part of the poem and tell us where it is located in LOTR, assuming we are going to discuss the poetry in LOTR. That way, we can read the poem and make our own citations as we reveal our insights into Tolkien's poetic works. Smoke Smilie
I will join the discussion on the weekend. Big Smile Smilie
Right people I am back and hopefully for a while. Now I did what I did and it turns out that I did it wrong. So I will adapt, and we will look at poetary and discuss. I have not forgotten just busy. So give us a few days and hopefully I'll have something up before the weekend. So fellow travellers keep the faith.
I never lose hope Darous! Wink Smilie I think this guild is a great idea, can't wait to participate in what you put up next. Big Smile Smilie
That is a magnificant idea, Darous! The poems and songs themselves always contain a story of their own and it is one of the things that puzzled and entertained me most. I would be glad to join. Cool Smilie
Right lets start this again without the copyright hassle okay.
The poem we will look at will be Bilbo's Song, found in FotR. Reading this poems bring some saddness to my heart, here we have Bilbo no longer a ringbearer in Rivendell remembering his journeys and of adventures of long ago, wishing for the good old days. Of his days in Bag End and journeys with dwarves and wizards. Of wandering through fields and meadows and seeing all that has to be seen. But now he is too old to do any of this but he still hopes he can.
I like this poem it rolls easily off the tongue and you can sit and imagine yourself wandering through fields with the wind in your hair. The poem follows a 4 line structure but each section is a constant rhyme instead of say a rhyme every other line. This maybe important it might not be but its nice has you go through the poem without stopping and analyzing a certain part.
So hopefully I got it right this time. I won't be in over the weekend (working) but I'll be back on Monday. So if any other members want to look at a poem go ahead. It'll be nice for more input. Cyclops Smilie
Before I begin, I just want to clarify...are you speaking of the Walking Song that begins 'The Road goes ever on and on..."? Or is there another one?
Assuming it is the Road one:
I also noticed the pattern, it is like a person walking. I think Bilbo's songs in LotR are almost forshadowings of the later events Frodo will encounter.
Sure, I'll join. giowriter@hotmail.com
Are we talking about the Earendil (sp?) song? 'cause that's the only song I remember in Rivendell, but that doesn't make much sense with the description you gave...? but it's a cool idea!
Eva lilith: I think Darous was speaking of the poem that starts, "I sit beside the fire and think" found in FotR, Book 2, about eight pages into Chapter III.

After checking the archives, I found that NedStark actually made his last post on 03 September 2003, so obviously they lost interest in this thread. That said, now that you have resurrected it, we can hope some interest in its continuation will follow. Happy Elf Smilie
Thank, Grondmaster. Is anyone interested? The poem they were talking about is on page 333 of FotR. Copyright held by Christopher R. Tolkien
It's on page 292/293 of my edition in The Ring Goes South. A simple poem with simple descriptions and emotions in a simple format. By simple I mean uncomplicated. I particularly like the penultimate verse -

I sit beside the fire and think
of people long ago,
and people who will see a world
that I shall never know.

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I particularly like the penultimate verse -

I sit beside the fire and think
of people long ago,
and people who will see a world
that I shall never know.

Yes... but why? I think we're supposed to explain a little more than that...
My favorite part of this poem is:
"in every wood in every spring
there is a different green."
I like this poem not only because it mentions green (my favorite color) and spring (my favorite season) but because it shows how the world is born anew each year and that event never loses its wonder because it is always a little bit different.
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Yes... but why?


Hmmm, well apart from its simplicity I like the way it links past, present and future. The whole poem is a reflection on things past and things he has seen as well as the many things he hasn't with a pensive speculation on what is to come. The four seasons are also mentioned which gives a feeling of time passing.

To me this shows a sadness but even that is eased by him listening 'for returning feet and voices at the door'. Although wistful there is something that stirs him even though it is linked to his past. As for the future, again sadness in what awaits the world.

The verse I quoted earlier has past, present and future all in one. Again there is sadness (but maybe not regret) that those who come after will see a different world.
Yeah... I see what you mean. Well now that all two Big Smile Smilie members of this guild have commented...
I think there's probably a lot more to be said about Bilbo's Earendil song in "Many Meetings" in FotR. One random thing I noticed is that it can be sung to the tune of "House of the Rising Sun." I heard just the music to that song without the words and immediately thought of this poem... the rythym must have subconciously registered... weird, huh? Big Smile Smilie
Give me a while to look at it and I'll try to come up with something more profound...