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Frankly, it's the quadrapedal that I find annoying! :x
Hello there, fellow Tolkien-nerds! (If I may say so!)

Just thought I'd introduce myself briefly before I start spamming <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

I'm a Norwegian Tolkien fan, and I've read both the Norwegian translations of LotR and the Hobbit, and also the English version of LotR (still waiting for my copy of the English illustrated Hobbit). Actually, my nickname is the name of one of the two Norwegian translations (my favourite one). A very big fan of the books, and also a big fan of the movies.

I've only been active on one forum previously, mostly because of the great people and discussions we had there. And from what I've seen, this forum seems to have great people and discussions too, which I'm hoping to become a part of!

Now, off to catching up with you guys' post counts <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Edit: I might revive some old topics, hope you don't mind
Hello Ringdrotten! There are some great people here, though I dont know half of you half as well as I should like.. (I know that was poor!) I am also pretty new but there is some great discussion on here, though sometimes it's a bit too deep for me. Like The Big Bad Discussion thread.
I assume Ringdrotten is Norwegian for LOTR then, but I wonder what The Hobbit is? I'll try google!

Anyway welcome to the forum!
Welcome to the forum! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> We have fans from all over the world here I think, though I'm boring and am in suburbs in the U.S. I've joined a lot of different forums but I stick around here because of - as you put it - the great people and discussions. I have a lot of fun here and hope you enjoy the forum too.

NB we don't have a policy against bumping old threads, probably because the forum is still so small (I like to think of it as cozy). :lol:
Warning: After reading what I wrote, I found that this information must be of very little interest/importance to non-Norwegian readers, so you might just as well skip it if you like :P Also, Ally, the Norwegian translation of The Hobbit is simply Hobbiten <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> ("en" meaning the same as "the"Wink Smilie

Hehe, thanks for the warm welcomes. Actually, Ally, Ringdrotten is one word composed by two, namely Ring and Drotten. "Ring" meaning ring of course, and "Drott" meaning lord or king. So Ringdrotten directly translates into The ring king/ ring lord.

There is, as I mentioned, one other translation of the book in Norwegian. That is because we have two different written languages. One of them is largely derived from Danish (called Bokmål), and the other one, which I consider the only true Norwegian of them, Nynorsk (new Norwegian). I always end up having huge discussions about this with people whenever I bring it up, because Bokmål is what most of the population use.

Now, the reason why I mention all this (very unimportant to non-Norwegians I'm sure), is that the book which is written in Nynorsk (Ringdrotten) has so much more depth in it. There are several different ways to write Nynorsk which makes it really easy to distinguish the different peoples of Middle Earth. For example, the Elves have been given the oldest form of the language, which really makes you feel that this is an ancient people. Whereas with Bokmål (the heavily Danish-influenced language) the only way you can try to make people sound old, is by using almost pure Danish, which doesn't work very well.

Also, Nynorsk gives you the feel of a more fantasy-like story, and very old Norse-like (I know Tolkien himself was influenced by Norse mythology).
That's a bit like here in Wales. Is one language used in rural areas and the other in larger cities? Where I live Welsh is often spoken in the rural farms, but English is what most people here use. I suppose both are very similar as well? A lot of Scandinavian languages are. Last question! I am an history addict- I knew that Denmark ruled over Norway a long time ago. Is that why Bokmål is heavily influenced by Denmark? Plus why did Nynorsk pop up? Did people want a new language based on Old Norse? Hmm. very interesting all this language history!

Anyway thanks for the translation, and welcome to the forum!
Yep, the Danish rule is the only reason for Bokmål. Nynorsk popped up because a man called Ivar Aasen thought that Norwegians should have their own language, based on how Norwegians talked. (Bokmål was based on Danish written language). So, he sort of made it his "quest" in life to make a new language that would be based on all the different dialects together. So, Nynorsk is actually much closer to most dialects in Norway today, except the Oslo area (capital city), where Bokmål is closer to the dialect spoken.

Nynorsk's resemblance to old Norse isn't that big, at least not the Nynorsk used today. Islandic, however, is very similar to old Norse. That, and Finnish, are the two languages that kind of stand out in Scandinavia, Norwegian, Danish and Swedish are all very similar (at least written language, Danish is quite different in terms of pronounciation)

Still, despite the fact that Nynorsk is much closer to the majority of the population's dialects, Bokmål is by far the most popular of the two in most parts of the country. Something which I find both frustrating and strange.
Its a strange thing a nations language. In Scotland Gaelic is not spoken by much of the population and there are constant arguments over funding for its teaching, tv programming and the like.
Its always been odd to me that my country and its people have their own language yet I (like the majority of Scots) cannot speak or understand a word of it. Even with all the centuries of history that have passed there is something about that which leaves the lingering sensation of being a conquered people.
Hehe, I think you're on to something there. However, Bokmål and Nynorsk are only written languages, and everyone can (some idiots simply won't) understand them. But still, having two languages, written or spoken, might seem pointless and I can see why people feel that way. I for one hope we'll always have the two in Norway, but the dark side I sense in the future.. :?
It's the same here in Wales. I speak no Welsh yet millions is spend on S4C (Welsh TV station), road signs and teaching it to us in school. Personally I don't mind. The Normans conquered us, now we speak English. Let's live with it and move on!

What would be really complicated is if they combined the two into one official language. Or have they already tried that Ringdrotten? Maybe if Wales and Scotland had their own "Ivar Aasen" we would be speaking some purist Welsh or Gaelic language. Then we would have three languages mind.... so maybe that's a bad idea!
Well, you could say that they've tried to combine them by making words from each of the languages "legal" so to speak in the other language. This goes both ways, so I guess sometime in the future the languages will be much more similar than they are today, and eventually they might just make one out of the two.
Odd thing is during my life I've heard quite a bit of Gaelic, not as a used spoken language but sung, (and I imagine this will be true of Wales too), Gaelic choirs remain quite popular, national singing championships are covered on television and radio, you tend to here a Gaelic song or two around Burns Night, at Highland Gatherings and such patriotic events, its just a part of the cultural background. And I always liked it, the sounds and the rhythms seemed to speak of age and hidden wisdom. I imagined them to be about strange, mysterious Celtic things. And I felt I was missing something.

Then I got hold of a book of English translations of some Gaelic songs. And they turned out to be very dull. All very simple songs about say a man getting up, having a look outside seeing it was a nice day, getting his nets then going in a boat to do a bit of fishing, then coming home to a nice meal and bed. (Wise Odo could do much better, even with that premise I'm sure).
I was so disappointed, and now I'm not sure I'm missing much at all not speaking Gaelic.

Of course it is possible that a lot of the flavour of the language just doesn't translate.
A part of me would be sad if it died out all together but the truth is it would not make the slightest bit of difference in my life or the majority of Scots lives if it did.

Ringdrotten perhaps in time the two will naturally combine to form one. Does the geography of your country have a dramatic effect on your language? In Scotland the Highlands proved a formidable barrier in past times and lots of local dialects sprung up. Even today on the east coast they speak a dialect called Doric. It would take me days if not weeks to understand a Doric speaker (even though we are both speaking with Scottish accents based in English) the dialect is now so distinct. I'd guess Wales would be similar Ally with strong regional variations in language.
Funny story about the mysterious songs and their true contents :lol:

And, no, geography doesn't have a dramatic effect, with the exceptions of some areas. And even then, it is usually people in the 60 or 70 years old++ segment who cause the barriers. Though, some ([i:pvsgcmoq]some[/i:pvsgcmoq], not all, far from all) people living in the South Eastern areas consider their own dialect more "eloquent" (in lack of a better word), and sometimes cannot (or don't want to) understand people coming from the Northern parts, or especially the areas around Trondheim (which is just below the middle if you want to find it on a map)

Still, they are all quite different, and there's hardly anything that's used more in Norwegian comedy than the different dialects. I quite enjoy that, even though my own dialect is a favourite of the comedians :lol:
[quote="pettytyrant101":l2ga35ei]Odd thing is during my life I've heard quite a bit of Gaelic, not as a used spoken language but sung, (and I imagine this will be true of Wales too), Gaelic choirs remain quite popular, national singing championships are covered on television and radio, you tend to here a Gaelic song or two around Burns Night, at Highland Gatherings and such patriotic events, its just a part of the cultural background. And I always liked it, the sounds and the rhythms seemed to speak of age and hidden wisdom. I imagined them to be about strange, mysterious Celtic things. And I felt I was missing something.

Then I got hold of a book of English translations of some Gaelic songs. And they turned out to be very dull. All very simple songs about say a man getting up, having a look outside seeing it was a nice day, getting his nets then going in a boat to do a bit of fishing, then coming home to a nice meal and bed. (Wise Odo could do much better, even with that premise I'm sure).
I was so disappointed, and now I'm not sure I'm missing much at all not speaking Gaelic.

Of course it is possible that a lot of the flavour of the language just doesn't translate.
A part of me would be sad if it died out all together but the truth is it would not make the slightest bit of difference in my life or the majority of Scots lives if it did.

Ringdrotten perhaps in time the two will naturally combine to form one. Does the geography of your country have a dramatic effect on your language? In Scotland the Highlands proved a formidable barrier in past times and lots of local dialects sprung up. Even today on the east coast they speak a dialect called Doric. It would take me days if not weeks to understand a Doric speaker (even though we are both speaking with Scottish accents based in English) the dialect is now so distinct. I'd guess Wales would be similar Ally with strong regional variations in language.[/quote:l2ga35ei]

I'd be sad, but I fear Welsh will die out fairly soon. Very few English people speak Welsh. Most Welsh people speak English. You see the problem: most of us don't want to stay in a small Welsh speaking town all of our lives. In fact I'd be hard pushed to find someone who spoke Welsh where I live. Of course there are many different dialects- but most of them in the English language with a Welsh accent. Even if I found someone who spoke Welsh, they would probably speak English also.

I am the same with the singing, I have heard many a song in Welsh, especially during primary school. We used to have weakly music lessons singing Welsh songs. I had no idea what I was singing, but It sounded nice! The actual words are probably as boring as pettytyrant mind!

[quote="Ringdrotten":l2ga35ei]Funny story about the mysterious songs and their true contents :lol:

And, no, geography doesn't have a dramatic effect, with the exceptions of some areas. And even then, it is usually people in the 60 or 70 years old++ segment who cause the barriers. Though, some people living in the South Eastern areas consider their own dialect more "eloquent" (in lack of a better word), and sometimes cannot (or don't want to) understand people coming from the Northern parts, or especially the areas around Trondheim (which is just below the middle if you want to find it on a map)

Still, they are all quite different, and there's hardly anything that's used more in Norwegian comedy than the different dialects. I quite enjoy that, even though my own dialect is a favourite of the comedians :lol:[/quote:l2ga35ei]

Another question! Those two languages only apply to writing. So do most of the different dialects in Norway resemble Nynorsk or Bokmål? I'm just curious <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Ally":lcx0x1k9]

Another question! Those two languages only apply to writing. So do most of the different dialects in Norway resemble Nynorsk or Bokmål? I'm just curious <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />[/quote:lcx0x1k9]

Most dialects resemble Nynorsk, but there are also many that resemble Bokmål, especially in and around Oslo, and a few more that I know of, but there are probably more.
((( [i:3l98p9dv]... err...what? Is that Wise Odo? I'm asleep! I must be dreaming! Strange things happen in dreams though... speak to me Wise Odo... -----

sorry, bro'... but I can't seem to log in to the forum.. so i'm dream-hacking into your dream... from my dream... :? I think... [/i:3l98p9dv]:? you see... I’m hearing songs in a language unknown to me... no linguist I... but could it be ancient Gaelic of some kind... primeval Welsh even...? (Chinese?) you better scribble it down for me, Odo...”


[size=150:3l98p9dv][b:3l98p9dv]Ze ainfent wyme ov Gnarly Grimmit[/b:3l98p9dv][/size:3l98p9dv]

[i:3l98p9dv]..tha fiffyn mun, Gnarly Grimmit,
tuff az the rok pon he stodes,
castenets pon za bryknee fees,
un stucken owl hiz rodes

fa yddick waf za bryddik woter,
foffy toffy gluey stucky wooey,
unto hee catchid a byge eeley,
kookéd wid wyld grenes inn chipsooey...”[/i:3l98p9dv]


...Odo? .. what are you doin' in my dream...? and what am I doin' dreamin' I'm postin' under your name...???? queer business all round this... :? )))
[img:2mr4cn1d]http://www.narniaweb.com/forum/images/smilies/41.gif[/img:2mr4cn1d] [img:2mr4cn1d]http://www.narniaweb.com/forum/images/smilies/41.gif[/img:2mr4cn1d] [img:2mr4cn1d]http://www.narniaweb.com/forum/images/smilies/41.gif[/img:2mr4cn1d]

Brilliant return to form Odo/Wisey (whoever's dreaming who :lol: ).

And a belated welcome to the forum Ringdrotten :mrgreen: . We can always use more linguists around here to translate the occasional Tintin pages posted off-topic. :ugeek:

[b:2mr4cn1d]GB[/b:2mr4cn1d]
You are all safe, at least until the fullmoon :twisted:

I am on a bus trip today for 4 hours with a coppy of The Hobbit. :mrgreen:
Greetings Sir Ironfang :mrgreen: . (Why do I get the impression that you and Petty Tyrant will either join forces and take over the forum...or start a Blood Feud? <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> :lol: )

[b:fp3vy86e]GB[/b:fp3vy86e]
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":sdqx1ti5]Greetings Sir Ironfang :mrgreen: . (Why do I get the impression that you and Petty Tyrant will either join forces and take over the forum...or start a Blood Feud? <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> :lol: )

[b:sdqx1ti5]GB[/b:sdqx1ti5][/quote:sdqx1ti5]

I am sure it's nothing to do with their charming pacifist names! Welcome to the forum Baron Ironfang <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

Thanks for all your answers Ringdrotten also!
Cheers GB and no problem Ally <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> Also, I'm not sure I've been a member long enough to say welcome, but I'll do anyway! Welcome Baron <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Mr Tyrant? Not sure... (If it's someone we lost who has been found again, welcome!) (If it is you Mr Tyrant - mmm.. time for a break from Mental Health for Mr Multipersonality I thinks! ) (I worry about Multipersonalities - never know who you're talking to...) (No --- I don't think I mean Multiple Personalities!)
There is only one of me and that generally gets me confused enough thank you very much Odo. No need to go speculating there might be more of me about! I don't do the multiple persons thing for fear I'd become to thin and stretched out, like butter that's been scrapped over to much bread!

But either my book has a fan or something else is afoot! I shall wait and see how this Baron behaves.
Nice to hear from Wise Odo again, does he hibernate or something at this time of the year Odo?
I remember when everyone thought Nagual was a petty sockpuppet. Are people just imitating petty because he's so amazing or is he secretly infiltrating us with more of him (Agent Smith)? The plot thickens....

Anyway, assuming you're actually new, welcome to the forum Baron! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
That's the problem with being online- How do I prove there is only one of me?- And what sort of weird world are we living in where that sentence is something you actually have to say?!
You wouldn't happen to have a Duplicator, would you? <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

(Calvin and Hobbes)
If I did Eldo I fear the result would be much the same as it was for Calvin!
Just build in an Ethicator. :ugeek: :mrgreen:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, welcome to all!!!!!!
Sincerely, the lone lady :ugeek:
Thanks to some of you for your welcome. Today I managed to get through the first two chapters of the Hobbit (constant interuptions) Nevertheless the Ukulele band were brilliant.

As to the rest of you, here is a warning, :twisted: I don't associate with pheasants and I hunt peasants for fun at the weekend; or is it the other way around?
You're going to fit in great here. :lol: I can just imagine you and Wise Odo bouncing off of each other three dozen posts at a time. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Eldorion":jgs3va48]You're going to fit in great here. :lol: I can just imagine you and Wise Odo bouncing off of each other three dozen posts at a time. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:jgs3va48]


Fit in :lol: :lol: , my place here is at the top of the pile, thats where I fit in. Wisdom is overrated young squire, a strong arm and a firm jaw are much better attributes. I think that you must be a squire and of nobility; if you keep this up I may have to get you to bend the knee, so that I can dub you Knight, Sir Eldorion.
I think Wise Odo will be wise enough.
WISEY THE WISE

[i:2u9l1nsz]Some say that Wisey's far too wise,
But the wise know he is, so why lie?
Yet the bait's refused! There is no need,
For a humble genius to brag. No indeed![/i:2u9l1nsz]

Socrates


Wise Odo

I just channel it as it comes, lads (and grown up adults!)
I'm starting to suspect that the Baron might be [i:1pymwpzq]Odo[/i:1pymwpzq]. :lol: Either that or a lurker with a really good sense of humour. 8-)
BARON IRONFANG

[i:wtoctwdk]Who is this big impostor,
With fancy ideas and gags?
It seems in one way he's no Tyrant,
But in others - who can say?

But the proof is in the pudding,
His own words will trip him up,
For the Odo boys are on his case,
They'll soon unmask his mask!

Noom? Is it really you?
Or some other Scot (called Tain?)
Well, the Wise One will soon know
Who you are - mon Baron Ironfang![/i:wtoctwdk]

Sophocles (while bathing)

Wise Odo

NB I'm not sure about the bathing - unless it was a really [i:wtoctwdk]deep[/i:wtoctwdk] bath with pure waters? <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

[size=150:wtoctwdk]Peculiar situation... I don't know who [i:wtoctwdk]Baron Ironfang [/i:wtoctwdk]is.. and I don't seem to know who I am either! [/size:wtoctwdk] :?
Tain would never stoop to using the Barons name I can assure you Odo. And as far as I know Tain remains confined to the pages of my book- its bad enough having one character rampaging about on the loose out of my control- and not a little odd.
At least if it was Tain we could expect intelligent conversation and plentiful dry wit, I fear thinking was never a strong point of the Ironfangs, they have a tendency to rely on a large physical presence and assuming an air of noble superiority.
[i:2ancbnl1]'Baron Ironfang'? The Howling moon?
The silliness of a Raving Loon?
A scent of Monty? A taint of Goons?l
Ah! Then why not Baron Chevanoom? [/i:2ancbnl1]

From: "The Speculations of Aristotle."


Wise Odo

I have a confession, Mr Tyrant, "Ironfang" as a character name has never really grabbed me. (Sorry :oops: ).

[size=150:2ancbnl1]I have another confession - or is just a revelation? Oh gosh - I'm [i:2ancbnl1]channelling[/i:2ancbnl1] Wise Odo... [/size:2ancbnl1]:?
Don't be sorry Odo- I never liked it either. It was the character name, not chosen by me and I felt obliged to keep it. You might notice in my book that where-ever possible I refer to him as the Baron, not as Ironfang. It reminds me too much of the sort of typical D&D name players tend to come up with when they are about 14- like Stronginthearm, Bloodaxe, etc
Yeah, any character called Ironfang would need to be a great big oaf, I feel! Not someone anyone could take seriously at all. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Hello, I am strider from Greece!

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