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Anybody heard news of who they might be considering for the voice of Smaug. In the old Rankin/Bass cartoon, I thought Richard Boone was an awesome Smaug. If he was still alive, I'd vote for him any day. My most fervent hope for the movie is that they won't screw up this character, visual effects or vocals-wise. Smaug is so central to the plot of The Hobbit, he just has to be aces.
The only thing I know is that Christopher Lee really wants it. But I have no idea who they are actually considering.
I would hope that John-Rhys Davies would do it. He did an amazing job with Treebeards voice.
He would be very good. There are so many people out there who would be great. All you really need is a cool bass voice which can sound evil. Of course, in the end, there will be only one Smaug, and we won't even wish for anyone else (I hope.) They did such a good job of casting in LOTR, I'm quite comfortable that they'll find the right Smaug even if it isn't Lee or John Rhys-Davies.
This is by far the most important factor to me, I grew up with the original animated version of The Hobbit and still find to this day that the voice of Smaug is surpassed by none.
I have faith in Del Toro that he will find a proper voice for the Great Dark Nemesis,choosing the right voice however is easier said than done. I hope he chooses someone with not only a great baritone voice but a sinister aspect as well.
Avery Brooks (Ds9) has a nice mellow baritone with the ability to make it sinister when his character gets riled
Tony Todd(Candy Man,Minotaur) really nice baritone and definitely a sinister aspect with it,also authoritative and can definatley make the Great Dragon Smaug proud if done correctly.
If Andrew Divoff were permitted to refine his Gin from Wishmaster and make it deeper that might work...maybe.
now those are just thoughts and by no means definite s for me, I would love to see how the all powerful actor Christopher Lee would handle the Great dragon, and John Rhys Davies would bring a very interesting voice to the character indeed.
It is too bad some other obvious voices are not allowed to work for anyone because of contracts they have signed to stay with the one studio.
But you never know who will be up for Smaug. So long as Del Toro makes Smaug as sinister as he is Majestic The voice should easily fall into place.
And he has gotta do the whole"well thief I smell you ,feel your air, and I hear your breath ..." bit plus the chuckle well we got it made.
feel free to respond and lemme know what you think and who would you choose or consider for the voice of SMAUG.
What do you think about David Suchet? I'm not so sure, but I do know that he has a good voice. Maybe he's not right for Smaug, though.
How about Ian McShane? He would be perfect in my mind. Smart, cruel, dominating. Great voice and could easily pass as Smaug, at least in my mind.
[quote="Gandalf":3sk5ocnu]I would hope that John-Rhys Davies would do it. He did an amazing job with Treebeards voice.[/quote:3sk5ocnu]

I didn't realise it was Davies :oops:

I live on the same island as him (isle of man) and I'm hoping to pin him down for an exclusive at some point. He spends a lot of time in America though and is proving elusive.
[quote="Beren":8pgnyki4]The only thing I know is that Christopher Lee really wants it. But I have no idea who they are actually considering.[/quote:8pgnyki4]

I think it would be a nice touch to let Lee do it. He's the most qualified for the job any way being a Tolkien scholar and probably the only actor to have actually discussed the books at length with the author.
Don't laugh, but I think Russell Crowe would be a good voice of Smaug. It is gravely and deep enough to sound Dragonish.. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
[quote="Beren":3lbshu4s]What do you think about David Suchet? I'm not so sure, but I do know that he has a good voice. Maybe he's not right for Smaug, though.[/quote:3lbshu4s]


I like that idea! he is a fine actor plus his voice can go the creepy way if directed properly
[quote="bromptonboy":xpqocg7v]Don't laugh, but I think Russell Crowe would be a good voice of Smaug. It is gravely and deep enough to sound Dragonish.. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />[/quote:xpqocg7v]



Hmmmmmm... you might be on to something there, But his baritone still needs tweaking .If he takes the role seriously enough and has an open mind about it he could pull it off
just watched candy man farewell to the flesh so I tried to picture him saying the phrase"I am Smaug!"
maybe some vocal effects stuff can make his voice more gravely I don't know.
Christopher Lee has such a trademark voice, that you'd instantly think of Saruman when you heard the dragon speak, so, while his voice is perfect, I'm afraid it would just be weird.
I was thinking Liam Neeson. Gravel, reverb etc, can be added easily digitally, but what you can't get is the depth that Liam Neeson's voice has. Straight, it would be too mellow for Smaug, but with the right tools, he could get a really good sound.
Or, they could introduce a new actor, someone who no-one will recognize, and therefore will be automatically associated, not with the actor, but with the dragon. Smaug is going to be the ultimate movie dragon of all time, not just a dragon, THE dragon. His shadow lies over the whole story, even though he doesn't make an appearance until the end, and if they get the slightest thing wrong, or if the voice is too recognizable, all that tension will fizzle away. This, along with the actor for Bilbo, could be the biggest decision to make in the entire film-making progress. Stuff it up, and the audience will leave the cinema slightly less blown away than they might have been.
[quote="Barrel the pony":16o40erm]Christopher Lee has such a trademark voice, that you'd instantly think of Saruman when you heard the dragon speak, so, while his voice is perfect, I'm afraid it would just be weird.
I was thinking Liam Neeson. Gravel, reverb etc, can be added easily digitally, but what you can't get is the depth that Liam Neeson's voice has. Straight, it would be too mellow for Smaug, but with the right tools, he could get a really good sound.
Or, they could introduce a new actor, someone who no-one will recognize, and therefore will be automatically associated, not with the actor, but with the dragon. Smaug is going to be the ultimate movie dragon of all time, not just a dragon, THE dragon. His shadow lies over the whole story, even though he doesn't make an appearance until the end, and if they get the slightest thing wrong, or if the voice is too recognizable, all that tension will fizzle away. This, along with the actor for Bilbo, could be the biggest decision to make in the entire film-making progress. Stuff it up, and the audience will leave the cinema slightly less blown away than they might have been.[/quote:16o40erm]



I absolutely agree, there is huge responsibility that Del Toro has taken on he is basically the bull in the china shop he screws up and it is over, the movie falls apart and the whole Fantasy genre looses it's clout.
As far as the voice goes getting an unknown may be the best way to go, I did not know Vin Diesel did the voice of the Iron Giant until I checked the credits later. We definitely need this Dragon to rule and I can think of no better Dragon than Old Smaug himself.
Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that Del toro will deliver.
I think John-Rhys Davies is deffo somebody who could do a great job as smaug just like he did with tree beard.

I would also say Andy Serkis as he has a very good presense with his voice, especially in gollum, and other movies like king kong! Maybe Christopher lee? Christopher lee did actually say on a youtube video he would do the role!
I think that an unknown actor would be great but only if they did the part justice. John-Rys Davies would be a great candidate as well he seems to have an uncanny ability to portray any character he is assigned. As far as Christopher Lee I'm not quite sure. I've only ever heard him speak in one voice it's not that it's not the right voice i just think it would remind me too much of his other characters. His voice is just so distinct I would rather have a voice for Smaug that I don't recognize the actor behind the voice I want to hear Smaug not the actor that plays him. But that could just be my take on it.
I would say Sean Connery but unfortunately he is already associated with Dragonheart, which I suspect puts him out of the running. I can't say I disagree with any of the suggestions so far.

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[quote="Gandalfs Beard":3a5j60ac]I would say Sean Connery but unfortunately he is already associated with Dragonheart, which I suspect puts him out of the running. I can't say I disagree with any of the suggestions so far.

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Sean would be cool if he could get his baritone just a little deeper, his voice would be very unique to old Smaug.
Now imagine ole Sean yelling out " Aye AM Smaug!"
I have a friend who does a perfect Sean Connery and lets just say I could not stop laughing and the fact that he added "ya B@#tard!" at the end only made my stomach hurt
Unfortunatley, I don't know alot of actor names or their associated voices off hand. But I'll toss in my two cents. Everyone seems to agree that deep baritone is the way to go. But consider for a moment another path. Something more like the guy who played wormtounge. Not as deep, more like a slippery/cunning evil?
His delivery when speaking to Eowyn (I thought) was magnificint. "Who knows what you've spoken in the dark", kind of gives you a shudder just thinking about it.
Wow, Show, I think you're on to something. Brad Dourif (Wormtongue) has an ideal vocal talent. I have also seen him in episodes of Babylon 5 and Star Trek Voyager. He reminds me of the way Voldemort is described as soundiing in the Potter books.

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[quote="Show":23m2pz61]Unfortunatley, I don't know alot of actor names or their associated voices off hand. But I'll toss in my two cents. Everyone seems to agree that deep baritone is the way to go. But consider for a moment another path. Something more like the guy who played wormtounge. Not as deep, more like a slippery/cunning evil?
His delivery when speaking to Eowyn (I thought) was magnificint. "Who knows what you've spoken in the dark", kind of gives you a shudder just thinking about it.[/quote:23m2pz61]


Awesome, it is always refreshing to take an alternate road and having a sinister twist would be great.
having said that I now believe that the impeccable voice of of Sir Jeremy Irons would be perfect, a little tweaking with the voice affects and presto instant all around Bad Ass Dragon. Irons voice has that menace and evil when he plays the villain and that is what Smaug needs. Thank you for steering us in a different direction that is what i call thinking outside the box.
hey guys I was just read a post that just made me think
How about Jeremy Irons?
what do you guys think Yea or Nay
Yes indeed, Jeremy Irons would be brilliant. And the list grows longer.

[b:162no9nw]Gandalfs Beard[/b:162no9nw]
I'm not so sure about Jeremy Irons. His voice seems to be more of a generic British. But maybe I haven't heard him in the right context...

I think that if the filmmakers are going for the "creepy" Smaug, then Brad Dourif is a good choice. He can definitely deliver a chilling and creepy voice, as evidenced by his role as Wormtongue. But they'd have to change it somehow so he doesn't sound exactly like Wormtongue.
Yes indeed, Beren. Actually, I think Brad Dourif has now moved to the top of my list, right above Sean Connery :lol: .

[b:1evxg3qe]Gandalfs Beard[/b:1evxg3qe]
There was a comment made with Sean Connery being perhaps unusable due to his association with Dragonheart. Jeremy Irons could therefor be derailed from his involvement with Dungens & Dragons.

Frankly, from the sort of evil mastermind he presented in Die Hard With A Vengence, I can see him doing well.

As for Brad Dourif, anyone willing to happily shave off their eyebrows for the good of Tolkien must be more than ready to put his full effort into the Hobbit.
Hee heee. I will shave my eyebrows....For the SHIIIIIRE!!!!
Smaug's characteristics are that he is proud, a bit lazy....languid? might be the descriptor. He's so "secure" in his own greatness, so he's going to be slow and delicious. He thinks he is REALLY superior and takes pride in knowing the "proper" rules of speech and ettiquette. Kind of like Captain Hook, yes? Almost like if he knew about huge 3-Musketeers type big curly man wigs he would wear one. And he would play a....spinnet....what's-it....one of those little pianos that sounds more like a toy music box that Bach would have played...can't remember the word just now. HARPSICHORD!! ( :oops: my brain isn't what it used to be....Alzheimers.) I don't remember which book it is that describes this aspect about dragons...maybe Farmer Giles of Ham...that they are very aristocratic in their love of proper language. So anyway, the guy who does the voice of Smaug needs to have a voice with a low growly undertone quality to it, yet he needs to also have really great control of his tongue and teeth so that his pronunciaion is clipped and precise. Right. I don't think he's supposed to sound like real aristocrats now, who slur their words all together. It's got to be somebody who is Shakespeare-stage trained. Jeremy Irons sounds about right for it, but he has already done Scar from Lion King, and there he has pretty much already done Smaug's character (same growly low rich voice with the clipped precise accent/speech that sounds like he has been trained for the Royal Shakespeare Company). But I think it's got to really be a guy who would sing bass in a choir. Really deep voice.

But, you know, in the [u:bs4m5d7l]Silmarillion[/u:bs4m5d7l], I don't get the sense that the dragons there are funny like that, do you?
Hmmmm....Show mentioned Die Hard, then Otto's World mentioned something about languid, slow, delicious, and [b:2ze8wl6y]Proper[/b:2ze8wl6y] (perhaps even a little sneering), definitely Smaugish qualities. Let me see...that rings a bell....could it be...Alan Rickman. By Jove, I think we have another contender. Deliciously evil and yet witty and supercilious. Smaug [b:2ze8wl6y]did[/b:2ze8wl6y] have a sense of humor after all, and certainly that Don't Bother Me attitude. No one does Serpentine like Alan Rickman (except perhaps the previously mentioned Brad Dourif). Add another to our list.

[b:2ze8wl6y]Gandalfs Beard[/b:2ze8wl6y]
Yep, Alan Rickman could do it.
Hey, the guy who played Morris the Cat in the 9 Lives commercials would have been good too. Or was he the guy who did it in the animated version? Morris could have lowered his voice to be more growly and it would have worked.
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":3sikixes]Hmmmm....Show mentioned Die Hard, then Otto's World mentioned something about languid, slow, delicious, and [b:3sikixes]Proper[/b:3sikixes] (perhaps even a little sneering), definitely Smaugish qualities. Let me see...that rings a bell....could it be...Alan Rickman. By Jove, I think we have another contender. Deliciously evil and yet witty and supercilious. Smaug [b:3sikixes]did[/b:3sikixes] have a sense of humor after all, and certainly that Don't Bother Me attitude. No one does Serpentine like Alan Rickman (except perhaps the previously mentioned Brad Dourif). Add another to our list.

[b:3sikixes]Gandalfs Beard[/b:3sikixes][/quote:3sikixes]


OOOHH YEAH I like the sound of that sincere sarcastic decadent with cruelty in every syllable, geez now the choice just gets harder Rickman would rock doing the great dragons voice but I still think Irons would do just as well yes he did Scar but that doesn't mean that he would not be able to change it up to match a more reptilian tone, but Rickman already has that snake like quality and his voice rocks just as well...see my dilemma? They both portray the sinister role to a tee and they both are highly trained actors who take their work very seriously.
wow this list is just getting longer and longer.
Isn't Rickman the guy in Sense and Sensibility? He doesn't seem to cut it for me. His voice is very nasally, although it is deep enough.
Yeah Beren, but that was his Romantic Comedy Mode. Also brilliant, but not sinister like the roles we love him for. Remember his Sheriff of Nottingham? Man-- he made that Robin Hood movie. And Rowling practically wrote Snape's part with him in mind.

[b:2mr728ku]Gandalfs Beard[/b:2mr728ku]
I think Rickman would do a great job! Dourif as well. Brad Dourif has that extensively creepy sound when he played wormtounge but keep in mind he made that voice up who's to say he couldn't make up another slightly different voice for Smaug. I do think however that Rickman's normal voice has that creepy sophisticated quality that would be perfect!! When I saw him in Sweeny Todd he gave me shivers! It was crazy! But that's my opinion anyways.
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":tent29cm]Hmmph! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Beorn, I thought I'd given Patrick Stewart a mention but it was probably concerning the casting of a younger Saruman (for which he would be eminently suited). I don't think he suits the role of Smaug so well. Yes , he is a commanding presence, who can play Dark very well. But he doesn't convey a sense of Humour easily and he's straight and tall. Smaug should be loose, serpentine, and oily, disdainful and humorous. Rickman has all of these qualities in spades. And he fills your bill for being new to the franchise :lol: . The voice will no doubt be electronically modified, whoever plays the part, to add a theatre shaking rumble to Smaug's voice.

[b:tent29cm]Gandalfs Beard[/b:tent29cm]

P.S. Check out Robin Hood and Die Hard again and you will see what I mean.[/quote:tent29cm]


I have to agree with you on the electronic mix and I did in fact watch Robin Hood and yeah I think I will stick with Rickman.
I love Patrick Stewart's performances in his theater work, and his sense of humor can go witty to just plain silly so he has what it takes to be dark ,but his voice work for Smaug will need a lot of work.
But all in all it is up to del toro to make the final decision, say...you guys do not think he reads forums like this do you....hmmmm. :?
I don't think that I've seen Patrick Stewart suggested yet. I think Patrick Stewart is quick witted, sharp, and commanding. The only thing that bothers me is Patrick Stewarts laugh, I'm not sure he can pull it off for Smaug.


Alan Rickman would be a decent choice, but I have the same concern about the laugh.
Jeremy Irons is clever choice, yet I imagined Smaugs voice deeper.

Smaug is very old, sharp, cleaver, mischievous, calculating, witty, and the voice needs to project all of these traits.

I do not like the idea of recycling voices from the Lord of the Rings trilogy for The Hobbit. I think that Christopher Lee, Brad Dourif, Andy Serkis, and John Rhys-Davies did a great job in their previous roles, but The Hobbit is a different story and deserves it's very own identity that is not confusingly interwoven with similar sounding voices. I am not doubting the greatness or range of the actors in question just suggesting there are other great voices out there that will give the film better depth and uniqueness.
Hmmph! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Beorn, I thought I'd given Patrick Stewart a mention but it was probably concerning the casting of a younger Saruman (for which he would be eminently suited). I don't think he suits the role of Smaug so well. Yes , he is a commanding presence, who can play Dark very well. But he doesn't convey a sense of Humour easily and he's straight and tall. Smaug should be loose, serpentine, and oily, disdainful and humorous. Rickman has all of these qualities in spades. And he fills your bill for being new to the franchise :lol: . The voice will no doubt be electronically modified, whoever plays the part, to add a theatre shaking rumble to Smaug's voice.

[b:2xm73yib]Gandalfs Beard[/b:2xm73yib]

P.S. Check out Robin Hood and Die Hard again and you will see what I mean.
One can only hope!!! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

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If he did that would be AMAZING!!! You would think it would be a good place to get all the info about what people are thinking and also any rumors surrounding the films that need to be quenched!!! (lol) But as far as the topic goes I think I'm gonna stick with Rickman. He has that sophisticated creepy quality. Like he is one of the most intelligent people ever but he's got that creepy evil quality about him! I think I do agree with Beorn about recyclying actors from LOTR. There are plenty of great actors out there for those new parts even though the actors in LOTR were all AWSOME there are others out there who would probably be more suited to play the new roles. But they better not replace any of them! Cuz some of them have parts in The Hobbit!
My opinion is, that is not necessary to take for Smaug an actor from the Lord of the Rings, because we now these voices and will be strange, to hear Saruman's or Gimli's voice from the mouth of great dragon. Very good actor, who can take Smaug's role is maybe Liam Neeson, who also lend his voice to lion Aslan. His sound is deep and mighty as Smaug's voice have to be. Perhaps his voice is not so good for evil character, but with the computers, they can make a lot of changes.
But there are a lots of good actors, so I hope, that they will make Smaug's voice enough convinsed.
Only problem is Liam doesn't do creepy :lol:

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Yes, Christopher Lee, how I envy him. I envy anyone who was alive during Tolkien's life and has talked to this admirable man. You are right in saying he indeed is the most qualified. He would definitly be one of the best Voices for Smaug, saying that Sauraman was around during the time of Smaug, and the last dragons. And at the Time, Sauraman was not yet a Sevant (pupper rather) of Sauron. I have watched a video that Christopher Lee wished to be able to be in the Movie, as long as he did not have to go to New Zealand to Record or Film, for he said he was getting too old for such things. He also stated he prays he will be alive to See and record the Movie, it would be quite a shame if he wasn't. I am sure he would love to see the 'Whole Darn Thing'. The Day the Full 2 Parts of the Hobbit come on to DVD, I am going to spend the whole day watching all of the Movies, which should be a Joyous time. Yes, I have gotten off topic, but I hope that it has interested you so far. By the way, be sure to Listen to "Concerning Hobbits" on Youtube, or iTunes. It is the Theme of the Shire, when it was happier time on Middle Earth. Thank you!
[quote="White Rider":1xludx9l]My opinion is, that is not necessary to take for Smaug an actor from the Lord of the Rings, because we now these voices and will be strange, to hear Saruman's or Gimli's voice from the mouth of great dragon. Very good actor, who can take Smaug's role is maybe Liam Neeson, who also lend his voice to lion Aslan. His sound is deep and mighty as Smaug's voice have to be. Perhaps his voice is not so good for evil character, but with the computers, they can make a lot of changes.
But there are a lots of good actors, so I hope, that they will make Smaug's voice enough convinsed.[/quote:1xludx9l]



thats a good possibility.
I just saw taken and was very impressed by his speech he gave the kidnapper he is another good choice
I reckon, the best i can think of is Ian McShane, i reckon he's got a great menacing evil tone to his voice, slightly croaky, which adds to a sly character. Also english accent is the best way to go. I think there is slightly something more sinister about a posh english accent, presented in the right way. Goes back to those Dracula, aristocratic disturbing tones to the tongue.
I think he's done some voice work before, i'v got a feeling he was a bad guy in something like Kung Fu Panda or something?
Great voice, great guy! Would get on well with the other cast members too i should imagine.
oh i got another one!!
John Hurt is very good as the dragon in the Merlin series on the BBC! But maybe because he has been used before as a dragon they may not cast him again.
But he's great, got a very gravelly, aged, wise voice quality, that you would not nessecarily get with anyone thats younger, after all Smaug is old and evilly wise!!
Oh and again, got to reading some more, n Brad Dourif sounds great, but if you want a creepy voice i reckon someone like John Malkovich has the ultimate creepy voice, or maybe Anthony Hopkins aka Hannibal Lector? Not in the same way obviously! But similar use of the voice.

I also agree though having an unkown actor or lesser known actor could be the better thing, let the character Smaug speak those words for himself!!
I THINK Ian McShane played Judas in that Franco Zefferelli marathon film "Jesus of Nazareth." :?:
A quick question to you all
while we have a great list of undoubtedly some of the greatest voices ever , how important is the look of Smaug to you all?
to me it is supremely important.
he must have the cold blazing eyes and the royal sarcasm he carries so well in the book and in the Animation.
In many ways It would be a dream come true if they used the animation to heavily influence the live/cg version of Smaug.
but my gentle friends that is a personal opinion and a yes I am showing a large amount of favoritism for obvious reasons.
but that is just my opinion.
I would love to hear your takes on it
how do you feel Smaugs appearance should be portrayed is it important to you? let us know
I would agree with you whole heartedly Sauron222. If they used the animation as an influence it would be AMAZING!!!! But we will just have to see. Maybe it's because the animation was the way that Smaug was first pictured for me as a kid I'm not sure but I think they did an amazing job with his look in that movie! He had all the qualities that he is mentioned to having in the book except one: the jeweled belly! That is one thing I really want to see in the movie! Yet again that's just my take but I stand by it. What do you guys think??
[quote="lothierial":31zfx5fm]I would agree with you whole heartedly Sauron222. If they used the animation as an influence it would be AMAZING!!!! But we will just have to see. Maybe it's because the animation was the way that Smaug was first pictured for me as a kid I'm not sure but I think they did an amazing job with his look in that movie! He had all the qualities that he is mentioned to having in the book except one: the jeweled belly! That is one thing I really want to see in the movie! Yet again that's just my take but I stand by it. What do you guys think??[/quote:31zfx5fm]


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