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Thanks GB. :mrgreen:
Here I come to save the day! :mrgreen:

[b:6ch8v3tx]GB[/b:6ch8v3tx]
WTH? :?:
For a brief, shining moment I thought we had a new and productive member who was jumping into discussions all over the board!

...Then I read his posts and saw he's nothing but an adspammer. Where's the banhammer when we need it? <img src='/images/smileys/vevil.gif' border='0' alt='Very Evil Smilie' /> :P
Excerpt from: "JRRT: Unknown Poems."

[i:3o652j4u]
"Gremlins have come creeping amid connections!
Scuttling our jibes! Messing up our reflections!
But who's this come on his Great White Horse?
So swift, so fleet - and handsome, of course!
It's Gandalf's Beard with sword in hand,
(A Bearded hand? Now that's weird, Man!)
Bravo! Hurrah! All is not lost as we'd feared!
Oh Hirsute Hero! Oh Glorious Beard!"[/i:3o652j4u]

Not one of JRRT's best, of course, but it does seem prescient. :ugeek:
:oops:

[b:104l0142]GB[/b:104l0142]
That's not weird; that's awesome, man! :lol:
Indeed, Eldo, JRRT was awesome! A seer! A Prophet! (Even if some of his lesser known works were not quite up to par - I cite here the quoted poem in my post above). There seems nothing he could not turn his mind to, whether past, present, or future. I found the following among other obscure things in [i:23iw0tfx]"JRRT and His Lesser Unknown Poems."[/i:23iw0tfx]

[i:23iw0tfx]"Language is changing, children,
Though not always to the good -
Oh so many glittering phrases,
Are now turned to dead wood.

Oh what's there to hope for,
In a World gone Super-sonic?
Will someone please save us,
With Purest Eldorionic?!"[/i:23iw0tfx]

Now this poem has perplexed me for a long while, Eldo, but now everything has become translucent. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Yes, it's not a great poem, but remember it's from his Lesser Unknown Poems, so we must make allowances. And yes, GB's handiness is awesome too! Weirdly Awesome! <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
:lol:

Wow, an endorsement from a great philologist! I'm truly humbled. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Now Mr Durin has come home (with his Sledgehammer, by all accounts, so we must be polite!) I thought I might dig up this Thread again. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Mr Durin - what Tribe of Dwarves do you spring from? (I have given up on you possibly being a hobbit. Silly idea. When was a hobbit ever called 'Durin'? :roll: )

And:

Do you, or don't you, like elves? :|
[quote="Odo Banks":2g7ifaak]Now Mr Durin has come home (with his Sledgehammer, by all accounts, so we must be polite!) I thought I might dig up this Thread again. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

[/quote:2g7ifaak]

D'aw, I'm honored, <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

[quote="Odo Banks":2g7ifaak] Mr Durin - what Tribe of Dwarves do you spring from? (I have given up on you possibly being a hobbit. Silly idea. When was a hobbit ever called 'Durin'? :roll: )
[/quote:2g7ifaak]
Well, you see, [b:2g7ifaak]Odo[/b:2g7ifaak], it may be hard to grasp, but I am a "Tribe of Dwarf"! I have been labeled as one of the [i:2g7ifaak]Seven Fathers of Dwarves[/i:2g7ifaak]. I was directly created by my wonderful Dwarf-Loving master, Aulë. A great giant man he is, equipped with a Hammer all Dwarves'd dream of having.

My full name is Durin the Deathless... for I shall live forever! Haha! I am the King and Founder of Moria! No arrow-shooting Goblins shall kill me while patrollin' the outskirts o' Moria! :oops:

... Well. In my world they won't. :lol:

[quote:2g7ifaak]
And:
Do you, or don't you, like elves? :|[/quote:2g7ifaak]
Only a few, good [b:2g7ifaak]Odo[/b:2g7ifaak], only a select few.

... *Sips ale*
Surely [i:zs4o2bab]Durin[/i:zs4o2bab] would be one of [i:zs4o2bab]Durin's Folk[/i:zs4o2bab]. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Though I must ask, are you the first Deathless, or are you one of his reincarnations? Perhaps the prophesied Durin VII who led the Dwarves back to Moria but was mentioned only one in the Appendices to LOTR? :ugeek: :mrgreen:
[quote="Eldorion":1t4iwrq6]Surely [i:1t4iwrq6]Durin[/i:1t4iwrq6] would be one of [i:1t4iwrq6]Durin's Folk[/i:1t4iwrq6]. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Though I must ask, are you the first Deathless, or are you one of his reincarnations? Perhaps the prophesied Durin VII who led the Dwarves back to Moria but was mentioned only one in the Appendices to LOTR? :ugeek: :mrgreen:[/quote:1t4iwrq6]

Well, Durin the Deathless (the original) was killed by a Goblin bowman while patrolling the outskirts of Moria, which was the irony in my post. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

I am merely Durin the Deathless, the first one, who just avoided that one arrow-to-the-face shot by the Goblin. Huzzah!
[quote="Durin":2vowjjgc]Well, Durin the Deathless (the original) was killed by a Goblin bowman while patrolling the outskirts of Moria, which was the irony in my post. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />[/quote:2vowjjgc]

Out of curiosity, where was that mentioned? I'm afraid I don't recognize that. :oops:
[quote="Eldorion":wrz81e1x][quote="Durin":wrz81e1x]Well, Durin the Deathless (the original) was killed by a Goblin bowman while patrolling the outskirts of Moria, which was the irony in my post. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />[/quote:wrz81e1x]

Out of curiosity, where was that mentioned? I'm afraid I don't recognize that. :oops:[/quote:wrz81e1x]

I looked in the Appendixes, and I couldn't quite find it, though I do remember reading that :? .

Hmmmm. Well, for sanity's sake, I shall proclaim myself as Durin VII!

Huzzah!
It sounds like what happened to Balin, which is why I'm unsure about recalling anything else about it. Being the descendant of Dain Ironfoot is pretty good though. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
Mr Durin... um... so are you a tribe... or a single dwarf... or a choice between dwarfs? It all sounds a bit inane to me, and the folks on this forum will tell you I'm not fond of inanity. So could you try to be a bit less inane in future, please.

And I'm suspicious when you say you like [i:1nclal7y]an elf or two[/i:1nclal7y]. I sensed evasiveness on your part! Come on! Come clean! Do you or don't you like elves? :x
[quote="Odo Banks":2i07wklr]Mr Durin... um... so are you a tribe... or a single dwarf... or a choice between dwarfs? It all sounds a bit inane to me, and the folks on this forum will tell you I'm not fond of inanity. So could you try to be a bit less inane in future, please.

And I'm suspicious when you say you like [i:2i07wklr]an elf or two[/i:2i07wklr]. I sensed evasiveness on your part! Come on! Come clean! Do you or don't you like elves? :x[/quote:2i07wklr]

My apologies, Odo.

I am a single Dwarf, who is, Durin VII, a descendant of myself, who is Durin the Deathless. I am the Father of Dwarves, who is, Durin the Deathless, who is me, re-incarnated in my own body. It's like Hinduism, you see. So, yes, I am part of the "tribe" that is labeled [i:2i07wklr]Durin's Folk[/i:2i07wklr]

As for Elves... here we go.

Glorfindel would be my favorite, a very interesting Elf he is, we all owe him our thanks for protecting Frodo.

Thranduil, ich, I hate him. Stupid Elf, locking up Thorin in his dungeons!

Arwen is bearable.

Elrond is way to pessimistic for my likings.

Haldir protected the Company of the Ring, so he is [i:2i07wklr]okay[/i:2i07wklr].

Legolas is a little too odd for me, he just comes across as... I can't describe it.

Galadriel is like Legolas, I do not care how beautiful she is!

Celeborn is the husband to Mrs. Wacko. So Mr. Wacko! A family of ich.

So let us review!

Elves I like: 1
Elves I dislike: 5
Elves who are just at bearable: 2

So statistically, Odo, I dislike elves. :x
I think we'll go by book to begin with:

[quote="Durin":nv884pun]Glorfindel would be my favorite, a very interesting Elf he is, we all owe him our thanks for protecting Frodo.
[/quote:nv884pun]

He did next to nothing! How did you get to know him?

[quote="Durin":nv884pun]Thranduil, ich, I hate him. Stupid Elf, locking up Thorin in his dungeons![/quote:nv884pun]

A bad tempered Silmarillion type!

[quote="Durin":nv884pun]Arwen is bearable.[/quote:nv884pun]

She can certainly bear my children! (We are talking about Liv here, aren't we?)

[quote="Durin":nv884pun]Elrond is way to pessimistic for my likings.[/quote:nv884pun]

The fluffiest Elf one could ever meet. Good chap!

[quote="Durin":nv884pun]Haldir protected the Company of the Ring, so he is okay.[/quote:nv884pun]

Yes - did not play much of a part either.

[quote="Durin":nv884pun]Legolas is a little too odd for me, he just comes across as... I can't describe it.

Galadriel is like Legolas, I do not care how beautiful she is!

Celeborn is the husband to Mrs. Wacko. So Mr. Wacko! A family of ich.[/quote:nv884pun]

Have we gone from book to film here? If so, I agree.


But my question was less specific and more generic. Do you - as a dwarf - Durin VII - or whoever you are? - like Elves - generally...?
[quote="Odo Banks":ku6qzym8] Do you - as a dwarf - Durin VII - or whoever you are? - like Elves - generally...?[/quote:ku6qzym8]

To put it simply.

No. :|
And I don't blame you either, Mr Durin. I'm on your guys side all the way, Mr Durin.

Mind you, it would have indeed been simpler if you had admitted your anti-Elvishism earlier! I was confused there for awhile.

(I still confess, though, that I'm quite partial to the thought of beautiful elf maiden types. I blame GB for this. He's my main influence for this particular weakness, I have. The Purileists are very persuasive in some ways.... Rumor has it GB is King :twisted: ).
I've always found Elves cool, though not as cool as Numenoreans. I wonder how I'll do on the survey. :P

[quote="Durin":2lh14243]Glorfindel would be my favorite, a very interesting Elf he is, we all owe him our thanks for protecting Frodo.[/quote:2lh14243]

He was cool, though his descriptions in FOTR seem a bit over-the-top on the awesomeness factor. Then again, I like Warhammer 40K and that has Primarchs, soooooo.... :lol:

[quote:2lh14243]Thranduil, ich, I hate him. Stupid Elf, locking up Thorin in his dungeons![/quote:2lh14243]

He struck me as a bit of a prick, but he was able to get better. I like it when people improve.

[quote:2lh14243]Arwen is bearable.[/quote:2lh14243]

Arwen ... barely does anything in the book.

[quote:2lh14243]Elrond is way to pessimistic for my likings.[/quote:2lh14243]

Hmph, damn movie! Elrond was supportive (enough) and a great Lore-master to boot. I like him. 8-)

[quote:2lh14243]Haldir protected the Company of the Ring, so he is [i:2lh14243]okay[/i:2lh14243].[/quote:2lh14243]

I don't like his insistence on blindfolding Gimli.

[quote:2lh14243]Legolas is a little too odd for me, he just comes across as... I can't describe it.[/quote:2lh14243]

I'm rather indifferent towards him.

[quote:2lh14243]Galadriel is like Legolas, I do not care how beautiful she is![/quote:2lh14243]

She makes up for Haldir's treatment of Gimli.

[quote:2lh14243]Celeborn is the husband to Mrs. Wacko. So Mr. Wacko! A family of ich.[/quote:2lh14243]

Celeborn always make me laugh because I can never avoid thinking of Michael Martinez's [url=http://merp.com/essays/MichaelMartinez/michaelmartinezsuite101article125/:2lh14243]"Celeborn the Wise-guy"[/url:2lh14243]:

[i:2lh14243]'When the Fellowship shows up in Lorien, they aren't blind-folded, gagged, and hog-tied, thrown into the trunk of a Lincoln Town Car, driven around for three hours, and then forced to confront the surly Elf-lord in a darkened warehouse. "If youse guys think you're gonna git some help from us, youse got another ting commin' to ya! Oh, crud. Here comes da wife. Everyone pick up a harp and act ELF-like!"'[/i:2lh14243] :mrgreen:

Elves I like: 5
Elves I dislike: 1
Elves who are just at bearable: 2
Arwen - yeah... not much of her.... Liv - yeah - I'd like to see more of her... Gimli fell in love with a the wife of a Wacko Elf, apparently. Does that make him a Wacko dwarf then? (Sorry Mr Durin! One can't pick ones family...)
[quote="Odo Banks":20p474cj]Arwen - yeah... not much of her.... Liv - yeah - I'd like to see more of her... Gimli fell in love with a the wife of a Wacko Elf, apparently. Does that make him a Wacko dwarf then? (Sorry Mr Durin! One can't pick ones family...)[/quote:20p474cj]



*GASP*

:oops:

Nooooooooo! Why Odo, why!? Of course not! A Dwarf is never to be called a wacko. I do not think Gimli was in love with Galadriel, he was merely attracted by her looks. Nothing wrong with that.

I am still disappointed.

<img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' />
Dear Dwarves,

I trust I'm in the right place. My name is Sheriff Mirabella Banks of the Shire and I am searching for my missing Uncle Odo. I do not expect he has passed the borders of our lands as yet, but in his current state of violent bewilderment, he may end up anywhere.

So, dear Dwarves, if you see a florid faced, waistcoated , bare-buttocked Hobbit in your caverns and cave-chambers, please contact me ASAP.

Please be careful if you approach him as he is said to be armed with an umbrella.

Thank you for your forebearance.

Sheriff Mirabella Banks,
Hobbiton Sheriffs Office
Hobbiton
The Shire
[quote="Mirabella Banks":1cy84q0a]Dear Dwarves,

I trust I'm in the right place. My name is Sheriff Mirabella Banks of the Shire and I am searching for my missing Uncle Odo. I do not expect he has passed the borders of our lands as yet, but in his current state of violent bewilderment, he may end up anywhere.

So, dear Dwarves, if you see a florid faced, waistcoated , bare-buttocked Hobbit in your caverns and cave-chambers, please contact me ASAP.

Please be careful if you approach him as he is said to be armed with an umbrella.

Thank you for your forebearance.

Sheriff Mirabella Banks,
Hobbiton Sheriffs Office
Hobbiton
The Shire[/quote:1cy84q0a]

I regret to inform you, Miss Mirabella Banks, that the Management, otherwise known as the "Big Man" have taken him as their hostage. He was quite a hard one to catch, for he swung his umbrella rather violently, taking down three of the Management. He smelled of whiskey and cheese. And, you are welcome.

Thank you for helping us help you help us all.

- The Management.
Never fear, Mr Durin, all is well now.

You know, this is the trouble with the Middle-earth postal services - you are at the Lonely Mountain (I trust that's where you are writing from? :? ) and events in The Shire have long come and long gone! I am now back among Vulgar Society (on these Vulgar Threads) and old disagreements have been resolved. Nonetheless, thank you for your interest and concern. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

Yours affectionately,
Odo Banks
[quote="Odo Banks":1fs77lz6]Never fear, Mr Durin, all is well now.

You know, this is the trouble with the Middle-earth postal services - you are at the Lonely Mountain (I trust that's where you are writing from? :? ) and events in The Shire have long come and long gone! I am now back among Vulgar Society (on these Vulgar Threads) and old disagreements have been resolved. Nonetheless, thank you for your interest and concern. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

Yours affectionately,
Odo Banks[/quote:1fs77lz6]

Well, well, Mr. Odo, I would not say we are [i:1fs77lz6]vulgar[/i:1fs77lz6] here at our nice little Forum, I would say we are just rather... silly? <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />

This "Vulgar Society" we have here brings me many laughs and much entertainment. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

It makes me wonder why I go on such long vacations from it, sometimes... :|
[quote="Durin":1fxb3xa6]Well, well, Mr. Odo, I would not say we are vulgar here at our nice little Forum, I would say we are just rather... silly? [/quote:1fxb3xa6]

Indeed!


[quote="Durin":1fxb3xa6]This "Vulgar Society" we have here brings me many laughs and much entertainment. [/quote:1fxb3xa6]

Shame, shame, shame!


[quote="Durin":1fxb3xa6]It makes me wonder why I go on such long vacations from it, sometimes... [/quote:1fxb3xa6]

You make this forum sound like a vacation, good sir! No wonder I have so much trouble keeping things on the straight and narrows! :x :x :x
[quote:3h70kroi]

Indeed!

[/quote:3h70kroi]

Indubitably!


[quote:3h70kroi]

Shame, shame, shame!

[/quote:3h70kroi]
:lol:

[quote:3h70kroi]

You make this forum sound like a vacation, good sir! No wonder I have so much trouble keeping things on the straight and narrows! :x :x :x[/quote:3h70kroi]

Well I am indeed sorry, Sir Odo. Perhaps you 'ought to sit back, enjoy an Arnold Palmer, and relax <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> .

Though, in some other threads, perhaps you 'ought to start being less... relaxed? :lol:
One must not make dark hints or tattletale, Mr Durin - that's not respectable! What I do on other threads is presumably the subject of rumour-mongering by my many foes (those believers in all that is Liberal and [i:2ykr9e4h]un[/i:2ykr9e4h]respectable!)? Is that what you're getting at, hmmmm? :x
Never mind old Odo, Durin. One does get used to him after awhlie. :lol:
[quote="Odo Banks":3hyvmeyr]One must not make dark hints or tattletale, Mr Durin - that's not respectable! What I do on other threads is [u:3hyvmeyr]presumably[/u:3hyvmeyr] the subject of rumour-mongering by my many foes (those believers in all that is Liberal and [i:3hyvmeyr]un[/i:3hyvmeyr]respectable!)? Is that what you're getting at, hmmmm? :x[/quote:3hyvmeyr]

Hum hum hum. Dark hints are rather humorous, however! Or at least, to me they are. Take a look at what I underlined. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
Oh okay then.... I confess the esoteric is only fun as far as it goes... <img src='/images/smileys/vevil.gif' border='0' alt='Very Evil Smilie' /> nor fun for everyone... :ugeek: cheeky old Odo.... I'll put in the smilee people might be thinking that should be put in:- :roll: or am I assuming folk know things that no one understands (possibly including me)... :shock: and have I got anywhere near the Ontological Argument yet...? :mrgreen:
I have been pondering the dwarves in The Hobbit... Well, their beards, actually. Not sure what prompted the thoughts, though I confess, it was in a moment of whimsy. You know, my thoughts lead me on to thinking of Alan Lee, the illustrator. Alan Lee has drawn the Dwarves, beards and all. I have an edition of the hobbit with them in. He does not depict the beards as being garish at all. :? I guess Alan Lee imagines realistic dwarves based on his reading of the hobbit. He does not see them as Disney dwarves with garish beards. Why? Surely, like all right minded Fans, he would see them as whimsical dwarves with whimsical beards coloured whimsically! :shock: Oh I know - Alan Lee is [i:z9i09pbv]absurdist [/i:z9i09pbv]himself! :o He has had turned [i:z9i09pbv]whimsy [/i:z9i09pbv]into [i:z9i09pbv]realism[/i:z9i09pbv] and therefore himself become [i:z9i09pbv]absurd[/i:z9i09pbv]! :ugeek:
FINALLY! You're starting to catch on :mrgreen: .

[b:2lqssxww]GB[/b:2lqssxww]
Rubbish! :mrgreen:
:P :P :P

[b:ld0ylbvm]GB[/b:ld0ylbvm]
I've realised lately that Americans are very whimsical. Are Americans dwarves? I thought Scots were! :shock:
Perhaps Americans are a hybrid race of Elve/Dwarves? Legolas and Gimli did go to Valinor together - and surely anything is possible in Valinor? :? ---- and America? :?
I always thought dwarves were most likely Welsh. Mining, signing, a language that's a 'fair jaw-breaker', sounds Welsh to me. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
As to beard colours. Tolkien is never explicit about just how vibrant the colouring is, but whether you favour a brightly assorted rainbow of dwarf beards or more realistic looking tinted beards the differences should be discernible still on film I believe. A blue beard should still be blue and a yellow one yellow! If I see nothing but purely grey beards I shall be disappointed.
Deep throated singing in caverns? I thought the Welsh sang like canaries? I must ask Ally the next time she is on. Actually, the Welsh might be more Elvish. Valinor is after all west of (Anglo-Saxon - with horses) Rohan! :ugeek: The subject of beards is a touchy subject (dare I say itchy) and I applaud your courage in bringing it up again. Certain [i:n0g7srw7]folk[/i:n0g7srw7] of certain [i:n0g7srw7]leanings [/i:n0g7srw7] may accuse you of being something unmentionableable (politically speaking). It's funny, because your average Lib.... people of a certain persuasion... would like colorful beards, you'd think. But you're right, we want sensibly-coloured beards but coloured nonetheless, not drab grays and browns. The Longbeards would be up in arms if this national characteristic was messed with!
:? [b:2wyedg8v]GB[/b:2wyedg8v]
You [i:1kzkuux6]know[/i:1kzkuux6]... <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
[quote="Odo Banks":1p5rouyg]Deep throated singing in caverns? I thought the Welsh sang like canaries? I must ask Ally the next time she is on. Actually, the Welsh might be more Elvish. Valinor is after all west of (Anglo-Saxon - with horses) Rohan! :ugeek: The subject of beards is a touchy subject (dare I say itchy) and I applaud your courage in bringing it up again. Certain [i:1p5rouyg]folk[/i:1p5rouyg] of certain [i:1p5rouyg]leanings [/i:1p5rouyg] may accuse you of being something unmentionableable (politically speaking). It's funny, because your average Lib.... people of a certain persuasion... would like colorful beards, you'd think. But you're right, we want sensibly-coloured beards but coloured nonetheless, not drab grays and browns. The Longbeards would be up in arms if this national characteristic was messed with![/quote:1p5rouyg] I don't like the "sang" bit in all that. We haven't all died, don't you know! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> Us Welsh folk, we're good in choirs, but only a few of us are good at singing solo. Anyway, I don't mean no offence to Dwarfs, but I would rather be my singing associated with Elves any day. Though a lot of Welsh men do have beards... (cough David cough). In fact so do the women. Welsh women are so alike in voice and appearance, that they’re often mistaken for Welsh men. Ugh, I have no idea what I'm on about now. I want to see some pink beards anyway!
Whatever you're on about, I'm now imagining you as looking quite different to the waiflike Waleselven girl I was imagining previously! :shock: Perhaps elves from Wales are bearded? :? Can it be true, sweet (hirsute?) lady?
You need to revise your LOTR movie quotes. Remember ROTK? Gimli and Éowyn? No dwarven women? Gimli falls of horse? Aragon makes fun of Gimli? Plus I wasn't abandoned and I do have a home- what are you trying to imply? :mrgreen: Anyway beards are cool and I think that Elfs and Dwarfs, of both gender!, should try them out. Even Arwen. In fact I think that in movies, Arwen and Galadriel and Eowyn should have all grown dwarven style beards. Dumb people would have still found that "sex appeal" with them right? No? <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
what Gimli says in the movie about dwarven women is actually taken from the books, one of the appendices. Can't remember which one though. Probably the one with Durin's Folk <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
I wasn't sure if it was in the books or not, so to be safe I just said the films. I have only ever briefly read the appendices, but I probably should have crack of them, just to advance in Tolkien lore.
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