Thread: Actors to play Bilbo
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I also heard that the annoying kid from Harry Potter might be in it...Daniel Radcliffe? If he is, I am boycotting the movie.
Lord of the Rings kicks Harry Potter's ass.
And btw, there are some people on here who like Harry Potter, so you'll have to respect that.
Colm Meany is my first choice but I think that Anton Lesser and Matin Freeman look good for the part.
If you consider the earlier posts of how Bilbo is 50 years old when he sets out on the journey in the hobbit, its possible you may have forotten something?
In Lord of the Rings in chapter 3 - Three is company, Frodo had made up his mind to leave the shire on his fiftieth birthday - the same age as Bilbo left for his journey in the Hobbit. When you look at the LOTR movie, Elijah Wood was 18 when he played the role of Frodo, a 50 year old Hobbit, so would it not then be possible or probable that Bilbo could also be played by someone of 18/19 years of age?
Im not suggesting Daniel Radcliffe would or should get the part - i only mean to say that having an actor who is 50 years old or there abouts wouldnt be in keeping with the LOTR movies, if Peter Jackson or Del Torro want to have continuety for the films.
What do you think?
Surely if you enjoyed Peter Jacksons LOTR and are a Tolkien fan you would notice the difference if both Frodo and Bilbo at 50 years of age at the start of their journey's appeared years apart on the screen version?
Ps, new to this so please dont take offence, im a huge Tolkien fan too!
[quote="Zackira":1fwgmuww]Isnt he way too young to play Bilbo?[/quote:1fwgmuww]
And Im wrong, of course, but I dont think Labeouf can do it anyway...
But it also isn't an an absolute. One could argue that only Frodo's age has been changed for the films, as was the gap between Bilbo's party and Frodo leaving the Shire. Those kinds of changes made more narrative sense in the films (and frankly its also how I always saw it when I read the books ).
So I am not stuck on the idea of an older Bilbo, but it should at least be an actor who looks similar to Ian Holm--which puts Radcliffe and Tennant (both of whom I like) out of the running. But one last thing that could be a snag for continuity (unless one uses the Hobbits age well excuse), In the films if I remember correctly, Bilbo's age was established at his party--he looks in his 50s (because of the ring) yet he is 111, and Gandalf mentions that Bilbo hasn't aged a day. Honestly, I think at this point the best way to handle it would be to blame it on good genes instead of the ring.
Well Arwen, you have to be careful when comparing to Frodo's age in LotR. You and I (and also many others on this site) knew that Frodo was 50. But what about the rest of the audience?
From what I remember of the movie, the implied timeline does not include 17 years of waiting. This change lets the average movie-goer to consider Elijah Wood as only being 33 as opposed to 50.
I could see Radcliff, personally I wouldn't like Labeouf though.
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Though, come to think of it, I never liked the original Anikin . But, the switch really highlighted the continuity gap between the two trilogies. Lucas should have substantially aged-up Anikin and Obi Wan (and Amidala, and Luke's Aunt and Uncle too) by about 15 more years in Revenge of the Sith for the established timeline to make sense .
Due to the previously established excellent gene pool of the Bagginses, I don't really forsee quite the same difficulty in the Hobbit .
My favourite candidate is Jim Sturgess.
If you haven't seen him in Across The Universe, do so. He's a good actor, has no trouble with accents and has the right appearance (I'm talking about facial features, eyes and such, not height or body mass index).
Other than that James McAvoy does seem a decent choice, and Martin Freeman terrific (in Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy he basically plays a modern Bilbo abducted by aliens), but both could tip the movie too much in one direction: McAvoy, the action-man (but a superb actor nonetheless) would make it too Dark and Epic simply by the nature of his good looks, whereas Freeman would make it too light and Disneyish (remember, I'm going mostly on appearance here, because that's the first thing the filmmakers need to worry about.
As for Tennant: No. Not right by a long shot. Well, ok, 1: he's british, 2: he's good, but he is so not right for Bilbo.
Radcliffe? That's just silly. If they were going that young and snapping leads from another fantasy franchise, they would take Matthew Lewis (who played Neville Longbottom).
Nick Frost for Bilbo? Nope, doesn't work for me. But I do hope they cast him as Bombur.
There are some continuity problems either way, but they aren't insurmountable if they just get someone that looks like a younger Ian Holm.
I agree with you, Greygeek. I have seen Sheen on an interview show and he does indeed seem really nice. I think he played such a compassionate and evocative character in the Underworld franchise--I've liked him a lot since then.
Here is a link to a pic of Michael Sheen for folks' consideration: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3 ... een203.jpg
Francis, All~ I don't doubt his acting ability, as I've never seen his work, but I think that Payne has a very distinctive, emo-like and lean look. I think I can see him more as an elf, than a hobbit, IMO. Depending on how much exposition is added to the film, he could be one of the elves in the wood, or at the Battle of Five Armies, perhaps.
Hi B'arelyn Dwarf and Welcome. I wish they would just use Ian too. Surely they could CGI his features a bit and youngify him .
But that's just not in the cards so we have to deal with it and hope Del Toro and Jackson cast well. Given both of their excellent portfolios, I'd say whatever they come up with is likely to work out well. But hopefully they (or someone working for them) pay attention to forums like this and take some of our suggestions into consideration.
I think your right that the film will work out well because of the people involved in making it, but I think they could take it to a higher degree of, you know, success, by either producing a film in a completely different style with new actors or being completely consistant with casting, not sort of somewhere inbetween. But I have no doubt the two films are going to be good although can you seriously imagine Jack Black taking on the role lol?
Oh and Btw I just want to ask, alot of the people who use this forum seem to be in a different time zone, so I can't really find any live discussion when I'm using the forum lol, I'm in the Greenwich mean time, time zone, I'm in the UK Btw.
And Jack Black did a very funny LotR spoof during the academy awards. If you haven't seen it you should definitely google it.
what i find is that this main role must be taken by someone who you can watch serious. you can't really if its a comedian.
to be really honest i would love to see [b:18xodmgo]Ian Holm[/b:18xodmgo] again.
just because he played bilbo in lotr.
i know he is even older now. but if he would accept and be commited, im sure with a good mask he can look very young and not artificial.
..just thought of Surrogates where they made bruce willis look like a young blonde guy ^^
but well. just me dreaming
Personally, I'd be happy with Colin Firth, Colm Meaney, and possibly Martin Freeman, if he could play the role of Bilbo in the Hobbit well enough (haven't seen him act, but he looks the part enough, based off the fake-out poster).
Colm Meaney played a very Bilbo-esque character in "Random Passage" - Thomas Hutchings, and I could definitely see him as Bilbo, perhaps even outlisting Colin Firth for me. I still really like the idea of Colin Firth, and his named bounced around a while back a lot - that's why I'm confused why nobody's mentioned him as of yet, while actors who look nothing like Ian Holm and don't portray Bilbo's character's as well are suggested.
David Tennant and David Hewlett have no physical resemblance of Bilbo, which is why I am not for either of them getting the part.
Likewise, Ian Holm is the spitting image of the image of Bilbo that has always existed in my imagination, and again, judging by some of the artwork, many others as well. I'm with you Beren, on the casting of Bilbo. Casting someone who somewhat physically resembles Ian Holm is as important as their acting ability.
Going back to what GB had just said about Bilbo existing in your imagination as being Holm, I have to admit I didn't actually picture Holm as Bilbo whilst reading the novel when I Re-Read the Hobbit after watching the LotR films. I have imagined his characteristics myself. He really resembled the interpretations that Tolkien had left us with and the fine illustration that John Howe has masterpeiced. But I agree with GB that he really does come as colse as a Human can come to looking Hobbit like.
What I really like about Holm is, that he is English and has been brought up as someone who is English, so he has already associated with and is aware of the sorts of English-type-things expressed thoughout the book, like Afternoon tea and lots of other very English aspects.
He played the part very well being the father of Victor Frankenstein, Baron Frankenstein, in the 1994 Frankstein film directed by Kenneth Branagh. The film was very closely linked to the book written by Mary Shelly who was very English as you may well already know. The Cast were almost all English. His natural Englishness (please excuse the words I've used like that!) and the links he has had to English Literature in the past really bring out the Bilbo that Tokien created.
I feel the role has to depend not only on looks or acting skills but on experience and natural ability to fit the character that Tolkien Portrays. I have meantioned my feeling towards Bloom in the `Should Legolas be in the Hobbit' by Tinuviel and I feel he has little links or connection towards the films or one of the greatest of fantasy novels in English literature, despite being English.
In my opinion the part should be played by someone who fits because of natural ability and experience. If Holm doesn't get the part then I think that James Macavoy would certainly serfice, although he's a bit young. He was Brilliant in the Cronicals of Narnia and really brought out the character Mr Tomnus well. He's also from the Ilses of Britain so would probably understand the role aswell.
Elijah Wood was so perfect, accent and all, when I re-watched some of his child acting roles which I had totally forgotten (Forever Young/Deep Impact) I almost fell out of my chair to be reminded that he was American. Now, even when I see him in other films, he seems British pretending to be American to me .
It's not so much that I pictured Holm in the role of Bilbo when reading the books, it's just that he looked like the image I always had in my head when I saw him on-screen. I agree B'arelyn, that McAvoy (with a bit of padding to fatten him up) would have made a good young Bilbo, but that seems extremely unlikely to pass now.
I don't mean to upset the apple cart but I don't really agree that Colm Meany suits the role, he certainly looks Hobbit-like but he doesn't really look Bilbo Baggins to me.
Your very right about Elijah Wood, it really surprised me that he was American. I thought he could have been from New Zealand like many of the characters in the LotR, but his accent didn't really resemble any American origins. I haven't Seen him in any films since LotR being honest though.
Oh btw I thought I just mention that watching the films I have noticed the good characters have fine well spoken English whereas the forces of evil e.g. the orcs at Minus Morgal, speak very loosely and in slang (although thats a bit on the obvious side, I'm probably not the first to notice lol!). I think it really works and I think that the actor who plays Bilbo should retain his accent well.
He could portray Bilbo well, IF Holm hadn't already portrayed Bilbo the way he did.
I'm now once more convinced that Colin Firth is the top choice for Bilbo, though Martin Freeman would be an acceptable substitute for me.
When I brought up Colin Firth, I was mainly worried that something came up like him officially announcing he has no intention of acting in The Hobbit, much like Radcliffe just did (thankfully, to put those silly rumours to rest).
One topic I'd like to bring to the fray is that of VOICE. If Ian Holm is the narrator, reading his book as some have suggested, the problem of Bilbo's actor having to successfully emulate Ian Holm's voice as well as his appearance, and still be a finesse actor comes to light. We don't want them sounding too different, but we don't want to force the actor out of a naturally feeling voice. It's not so much as creating an accent as emulating a single person's personal voice.
I agree Firth would fit the role well, he has had good links to past productions of Classic English Literature. He has starred in some good films (definately not counting [i:3nkjw3y9]Nanny Mcphee [/i:3nkjw3y9]and [i:3nkjw3y9]Mamma Mia[/i:3nkjw3y9]!), although being famous for acting in films with a slightly different audience.
I am really disapointed that Holm can't play Bilbo, it really doesn't seem right having every other character as before and the main character a completely different man. I don't see what the real problem with having Holm play Bilbo is to be honest...