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Not to knit-pick or anything, but after seeing all of the LOTR triliogy I notice how none of the trolls talk. However, in The Hobbit the trolls are able to talk. Any suggestions or comments to that.

I guess one thought I did have was that the trolls can talk, but only in their language which will kind of sound like the noice the trolls were makeing in LOTR. I just can't remember if the trolls had a conversation with the main charactors in the book.
Well, in the films all the trolls were shown grunting or roaring in the heat of battle (or opening gates) as far as I recall :lol: . I'm guessing they'll talk in the Hobbit moies. Though they might converse in Trollish with English subtitles <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> .

[b:3j12zye3]Gandalf's Beard[/b:3j12zye3]
Trolls can speak in the book version of The Hobbit, and presumably in the book version of The Lord of the Rings, so this would be a case where GDT must choose between consistency with the source material and consistency with the movie he is making a sequel to (essentially). Or, I suppose, he could have a different kind of troll (not green, able to speak), and justify it that way. :roll:
Well, I don't think we really know if the Trolls in the films talked or not because they weren't seen in circumstances that [i:r1w9323k][b:r1w9323k]required[/b:r1w9323k][/i:r1w9323k] dialogue. It wouldn't surprise me or seem out of place to hear them speaking in a reaally deep gravelly voice, and in "Broken" English if not Trollish with English subtitles.

But you are right; we are probably likely to get a different variety of Troll with Del Toro putting his spin on things and adding to the diversity of Middle Earth 8-) .

[b:r1w9323k]Gandalf's Beard[/b:r1w9323k]
I think the trolls in this movie will talk - just remember how Bilbo told in FOTR how the trolls were discussing how to cook them. They can be consistent with both the book and the LOTR films.
Taking into account the books and the existing LotR movies, I come up with this distinction.

The three trolls we meet in the Hobbit are on their own. They are free trolls, if you will. The trolls seen in LotR are Work Horse/Slave types. In contrast, any human raised from birth to kill and maime for it's master doesn't not need to know the finer points of Dwarf stew. Their vocabulary was likely very limited as well.

As such we can imagine that three trolls living in the wilderness would converse and plan accordingly. Their body structure should closely resemble that of the LotR trolls, but clothing and outward appearances should reflect their lifestyle. The loilcloth of Moria or the armour of Barad-Dur do not find in the woods along the East Road.
The dialogue between Bilbo, Bert, Tom, and William is a piece of the many great exchanges between an archetype hero and the villain(s) in The Hobbit. Combined with the riddle game of Gollum and the similar game of riddled speech with Smaug, it is part of what sets The Hobbit apart from LOTR. There was great dialogue in LOTR, but it is really and essential component of the trials of our hero in The Hobbit. It would be a shame not to include it in the movie. Similarly to Light in the Dark and lothierial, there is enough reference material to justify a believable talking troll. Besides, it would just be cool.
Do we know if Alan Lee and John Howe are sticking with the team for the Hobbit? If they are, I trust the trolls to look cool, stay true to their descriptions in the book, and not seem out of place.
I wouldn't be surprised if the trolls were voiced by Andy Serkis. He did many of the orcs in LotR, and he'll be back for the Hobbit as Gollum.
In lord of the rings you only really see the trolls in combat, however the trolls were bred to be a race to match the tree ents, I think in Angband. Any way they are meant similar to them in most ways. The tree ents don't talk either in battle so I suppose the trolls talk as well.

My only other thought is that they may cut that bit of them film out or skim over it like they did with parts of lord of the rings.
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Now that the decision to just film the Hobbit story over two films has been finalized I don't think that scene will be cut out. Six hours of film is plenty of time to get all the key scenes in plus the stuff that was mostly left to the appendices (Gandalf and the White Council driving the Necromancer/Sauron out of Mirkwood).

And Del Toro is now on record as saying that he wants to get as much of these scenes as possible into the films. I posted this excerpt of an interview on another thread:

[color=#FF0000:3gf3iysj]Del Toro: To make a movie of the Hobbit that didn’t go over three hours
Jackson: You would be rushing along…
Del Toro: You would be losing iconic moments. The animated version avoids Beorn, who is a great character, and some people always feel that you should lose the Spiders (of Mirkwood), or this or that. We wanted to keep every iconic moment that was in the book and give it some weight.[/color:3gf3iysj]
So I think we can count on seeing the trolls 8-) :mrgreen: .

And by the way, if you go back through the posts on this thread you will see I made exactly the same point about only seeing the Trolls in grunting in Battle (or opening gates). It would seem we are on the same page <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> .

[b:3gf3iysj]Gandalf's Beard[/b:3gf3iysj]
Well, nice to see you [b:2z4tl12i]GB[/b:2z4tl12i], too first off <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

Secondly, not all trolls are the same, and their are different races of Trolls, methinks. Perhaps there are not different Races, but there are certainly different tribes. The Trolls that Bilbo met were familiar with the ways of Men, and had many riches in Gold and Swords, and probably adapted to their surroundings, saying Men and Hobbits were close to their lairs. However, when Aragorn and Gandalf lead the Fellowship to Rivendell, you may re-call they pass by Troll Territory. These Trolls are not rich in Gold and Swords, as the other Trolls were back near the Shire, but are Vicious and it describes Bones and Skulls outside their lair.

This may be the case with Cave Trolls and Troll of Moria, that they cannot speak Common, but only their gutter-talk. And I do agree with [b:2z4tl12i]GB and others[/b:2z4tl12i] in saying that while having Arrows and Volleys shot at them, Trolls don't really have time to be having Small Talk with Gimli and Legolas :lol: <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

[b:2z4tl12i][i:2z4tl12i]LITD[/i:2z4tl12i][/b:2z4tl12i]
I was thinking the same thing Show! But you beat me to the punch. Now if any of you have seen the Extended Edition of FOTR you may recall seeing the stone trolls and that is the image I am hoping GDT sticks with it is slightly different than what we see in Moria and Mordor trolls but the only real difference is that their lifestyle changes the way they look but they still have the same body structure as the other trolls and it should be the same with their speech. I'm thinking that they sound a little dumb with slightly broken english????
If you think about it, it really is no different that what PJ had to do with the orcs. In Moria all we hear are shrieks and howls. Yet later we see and know that they are capable of speech. They simply do not choose do it when confronted with an enemy.
My point precisely Show. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

[b:3fch31ly]Gandalf's Beard[/b:3fch31ly]
in the lotr saurons trolls are a new breed and all called the olog hai
i remember reading that they were not as bright as the other trolls
and may not be capable of speech
i really really hope that allen and john stay on! besides they both had so much fun w/LOTR what would be different about The Hobbit???? but maybe that's just me <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> and didn't allen lee do an illustrated Hobbit book too?? or am I just insane?? that is quite possible too :lol:
Jon or Allen, I forget which. But when Jackson approched him for the project I guess he had to keep waiting for Jackson to shut up so he could say yes already.

Between the popularity of the books, add the popularity of the first films, and, just for fun, add in the hype surrounding the upcoming movie: how in the world could anyone say no to working on this project. Hell, I'd make the coffee if I had the chance.
heck i think i would do anything to be a part of the filmms :lol: well almost anything... there are some lines i just cant cross :lol:
Yes, I would love to be part of the movie, too. But ha! I'll keep dreaming.

Anyway, I think they will have to leave the trolls in, because they made reference to it in the LoR extended version, and that would be weird if they just left it out. You'd be thinking, where were those trolls Bilbo was supposed to have met? Although I haven't seen the EV in a long time so I don't remmeber if they talk about Bilbo at that part...

But I agree that the trolls at that part seem waaay different from the trolls in Mordor or Moria. I would guess that they would make them pretty much how they look in the EV, and have them talking in broken English, like a lot of the orcs do.
(Sorry if I'm just repeating stuff that's already been said here. I didn't read all of the previous entries)
No worries about repetition Luthien T. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . You are just confirming what many of us already think.

[b:2iyitn6o]GB[/b:2iyitn6o]
on point to what you said Luthien T. i think they even mention it in the theatrical version tho i will have to watch it again to be sure... but doesn't Bilbo tell the hobbit kids the story during the party??? or is that only in the extended edition too?? i haven't actually watched the theatrical version since the extended came out :lol: and also now worries about repeats i like to see it when people reinstate previous opinions! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
Yes, Biblo tells his story to the hobbit kids in the theatrical. It's just in the expanded that we actually SEE the stone trolls.
That's what i thought but i didn't want to make an idiot out of myself thanks for saving Beren :lol:
notice that peter's trolls did not turn to stone at the battle minis tirith, there was some clouds, but....
One of the things I have always wondered about trolls since reading [i:3byqo5jp]The Hobbit[/i:3byqo5jp] ( :?: :?: :?: )is under what conditions they turn to stone. If I remember correctly, in [i:3byqo5jp]The Hobbit[/i:3byqo5jp] gandalf tricks the trolls into staying outside till the first rays of sunlight peek over the trees, which was when they were 'stoned', but, as [b:3byqo5jp]monty[/b:3byqo5jp] already said, the trolls didn't turn to stone when it was cloudy. does anyone have any idea whether tolkien clarified on this?
I think Tolkien covered it with magic.
The clouds were not just clouds, but Darkness issued by the power of Sauron. His evil may have been enough to protect them while causing despair in his enemies.
[quote="Show":xutoxmbd]I think Tolkien covered it with magic.
The clouds were not just clouds, but Darkness issued by the power of Sauron. His evil may have been enough to protect them while causing despair in his enemies.[/quote:xutoxmbd]


Right... I think Sauron has the power to protect the Trolls, if he has enough Dark Magic to form a ring of ultimate Power, I would assume he has enough knowledge on Necromancy on how to simply make the sky go dark :lol: .

Anyhow, about the Moria orcs, or goblins, I think Jackson intentionally made them hunch-backed, and sort of freaky, trying to show you how corrupt Moria and it's inhabitants have become after being taken over by the Balrog and his minions. I don't see it as much as bad directing and make-up work as it was good-thinking. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
I thought the trolls at Minas Tirith were olog hai, which sunlight did not harm
I think you may be right, rodu. Like the orcs being twisted and deformed elves, I believe that Sauron made his trolls evil. He probably changed them so they could withstand some light, and then sent his cover of darkness as a added protection. I still think Sauron's trolls would have turned to stone under direct sunlight, but on a normal overcast day (one not sent by Sauron), they could have withstood the light. But Sauron sent an especially dark cloud cover, just in case.
[quote="Show":1g0fagba]Taking into account the books and the existing LotR movies, I come up with this distinction.

The three trolls we meet in the Hobbit are on their own. They are free trolls, if you will. The trolls seen in LotR are Work Horse/Slave types. In contrast, any human raised from birth to kill and maime for it's master doesn't not need to know the finer points of Dwarf stew. Their vocabulary was likely very limited as well.

As such we can imagine that three trolls living in the wilderness would converse and plan accordingly. Their body structure should closely resemble that of the LotR trolls, but clothing and outward appearances should reflect their lifestyle. The loilcloth of Moria or the armour of Barad-Dur do not find in the woods along the East Road.[/quote:1g0fagba]


Although the discussions had about this subject have sort of ended by now, I think that Del Toro and Jackson could probably have talking trolls without having to create a different breed for the trolls in the Hobbit. I think that the trolls that get mixed up with Bilbo and the dwarves should just look generally more inteligent and civilized to suit a voice. I really agree with what Show said on page 1.
Trolls were the most interesting in the book. And they did not talk to the main thing in the book!
I'm not sure what you mean, kukuruza. They certainly talked in the book.