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I decided to post my response here so as to not super-de-rail the Legolas thread.

[quote="Gandalfs Beard":3qnkzj7d]If you want a Super-Mega-Blockbuster you need Fan-Girls[/quote:3qnkzj7d]

Well ... maybe. Let's take a look at the highest grossing films of all time to see for sure! :mrgreen: (Source: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest_Grossing_Movies:3qnkzj7d]Wikipedia[/url:3qnkzj7d]. I use it; sue me.)

1. [i:3qnkzj7d]Titanic [/i:3qnkzj7d](dear god that defines hunks/romance)
2. [i:3qnkzj7d]The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King[/i:3qnkzj7d] (checks out)
3. [i:3qnkzj7d]Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest[/i:3qnkzj7d] (definitely checks out)
4. [i:3qnkzj7d]The Dark Knight[/i:3qnkzj7d] (I dunno, does Christian Bale count as a hunk? :? )
5. [i:3qnkzj7d]Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone[/i:3qnkzj7d] (no hunks at this point in the series except maybe Alan Rickman but it's a once-in-a-generation phenomenon; it could be a valid exception)
6. [i:3qnkzj7d]PotC: At World's End[/i:3qnkzj7d] (see #3)
7. [i:3qnkzj7d]HP: Order of the Phoenix[/i:3qnkzj7d] (it's HP)
8. [i:3qnkzj7d]HP: Half-Blood Prince[/i:3qnkzj7d] (see above)
9. [i:3qnkzj7d]LotR: The Two Towers[/i:3qnkzj7d] (yup)
10. [i:3qnkzj7d]Star Wars Episode 1[/i:3qnkzj7d] (come on, it's freakin' Star Wars! Like the HP of the preceding generation)
11. [i:3qnkzj7d]Shrek 2[/i:3qnkzj7d] (ew ... I mean, I don't think it has any hotties)
12. [i:3qnkzj7d]Jurassic Park[/i:3qnkzj7d] (I tried to scourge the memory of this movie from my brain with fire, can anyone help me on this point)
13. [i:3qnkzj7d]HP: Goblet of Fire[/i:3qnkzj7d] (they start introducing romance here, plus it's HP)
14. [i:3qnkzj7d]Spider-Man 3[/i:3qnkzj7d] (never saw it but I think it has romance)
15. [i:3qnkzj7d]Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs[/i:3qnkzj7d] (what the- okay, an animated movie)
16. [i:3qnkzj7d]HP: Chamber of Secrets[/i:3qnkzj7d] (it's HP)
17: [i:3qnkzj7d]LotR: Fellowship of the Ring[/i:3qnkzj7d] (yes, once again)
18. [i:3qnkzj7d]Finding Nemo[/i:3qnkzj7d] (animated movie)
19. [i:3qnkzj7d]Star Wars Episode III[/i:3qnkzj7d] (I'd say it has a romance, plus Hayden Christensen might be seen as hot)
20. [i:3qnkzj7d]Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen[/i:3qnkzj7d] (I think this is a certifiable guy movie)

With the exception of Transformers I think it's safe to say that the super-mega-blockbusters are all either hunk/romance movies, part of major phenomenon, or else cutesie movies, preferably animated. I guess cutesie movies might be another variety of fangirl-bait, but in any event, point taken.
I wonder if The Hobbit, as the follow-up to the LOTR films and of course being based on a Tolkien work could get by in the same way as Star Wars and Harry Potter; i.e., as part of a phenomenon rather than on the backs of its hunky actors.

I can hope, at least. 8-)
[quote:eakmqvz9]Eldo:
With the exception of Transformers I think it's safe to say that the super-mega-blockbusters are all either hunk/romance movies, part of major phenomenon, or else cutesie movies, preferably animated. [b:eakmqvz9]I guess cutesie movies might be another variety of fangirl-bait[/b:eakmqvz9], but in any event, point taken.[/quote:eakmqvz9]

Exactly my Point <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . Thanks Eldorion :mrgreen: .

[b:eakmqvz9]GB[/b:eakmqvz9]
What about us fanboys? Bring back Liv, I say!

Odo
I still think [i:yiarc6fe]The Hobbit[/i:yiarc6fe] could get by on the name recognition without having [i:yiarc6fe]too[/i:yiarc6fe] much fangirl bait. I hope at least. :roll:
I don't know :? . Do you think shirtless Dwarfs will be as enticing as the shirtless Werewolves of New Moon? <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

[b:1vaxyuww]GB[/b:1vaxyuww]
If those shirtless Dwarves are women as body-doubles, as it's rumored they will be....????

Odo
I'm not sure if I'd rather they try to appeal to fangirls or 13-year-old boys....
What about fifteen year old boys, or fifty year old men? Will they cater for us too?

Odo

NB There is a rumor circulating that Bilbo and Galadriel (as back story) have a fling which results in the birth of Gollum. Surely that would not be suitable for thirteen year olds, I mean to say!!! :shock:
They probably assume the 15-year-old boys will go see Transformers (how else did it get over $800 million?) and the 50-year-old men will go see ... whatever you guys see. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

Now where could such a horrible rumor have possibly come from? :P
So you like Transformers, is that it? As to what we fifty year olds see - well we see very little without our glasses on - but when they're on we see a wide cross-section of things - at least I do.

As to those rumors - something should be done about people who make them up. Hroom! Hroom!It won't do at all!

Odo
Well I thought it was obvious from all those "significant glances" and "secret smiles" that Galadriel gave Frodo that they had [b:1db6mj2j]something[/b:1db6mj2j] going on <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . So maybe those rumours about Galadriel and Bilbo are true too. Maybe she just has a "Thing" for the Bagginses :lol: .

[b:1db6mj2j]GB[/b:1db6mj2j]
Not me, personally, Odo. Megan Fox isn't enough to make me pay to see a movie when I have the internet. :mrgreen:
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":3dntpe3o]Well I thought it was obvious from all those "significant glances" and "secret smiles" that Galadriel gave Frodo that they had [b:3dntpe3o]something[/b:3dntpe3o] going on <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />[/quote:3dntpe3o]

Maybe Smeagol wasn't the only love child they had. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
All you need is a hunky guy in the movie to get girls to watch. Like New Moon, everyone wanted to see the shirtless werewolves :roll: . If they find a young brooding actor for bard, then there could be some fan girls. Also, this movie doesn't need fangirls. It has almost the entire world for a fan club. honestly, who hasn't heard of the hobbit?(other than people of 13 years of age or younger)It also has the LOTR movies backing it up, so I think it will be fine fan wise....
Do you mean shirtless werewolves when they're wolves or when they are human-like? It can make quite a difference as to how I feel about this discussion.

Odo

NB Hello Tin. I haven't forgotten B and L. Will get back to it, promise. I'm just waiting for someone else to have go as I tend to take things and run, which means others don't get much of a turn - and that's not very fair!)
When they're human :lol: :mrgreen: but if you want to attract younger people, you need to have younger people in the movie. It makes it more relateable. I'm not really worrying though about publicity. PJ and GDT are pretty fantastic alone, together they're a machine!
I'm not sure about needing to have younger people in the films; LotR did pretty good and the characters were all at adults (young adults, at least). I guess it depends on what you consider "younger", though. If you're Odo, for instance.... :P
A young-at-heart Bilbo was about fifty. Lovely age for a Hobbit character, I think. Hey! Maybe I should audition! Btw Tin, young kids don't need to have characters their own age to like them in books or movies. The Scarecrow, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion are much loved, and Bilbo is closer to them than Dorothy in characterization. Someone like Ian Holm would appeal, I'm sure. Ian might be a mite too old, though one never knows and he'd be great!

Odo
by young, I don't mean teenaged. All of the Hobbits were young and so was Orlando. That age is what I consider young. And supposively Jedward (I don't really know who they are....) is being auditioned, and they seem relatively young...
Elijah was what, 18 when the movies started? and in the book he was near 50! who knows what they'll do this time....
I shudder and shake.... perhaps I'll pass out... it might be a blessing! :lol:

Odo
Yup. Tom Cruise for Bilbo? Will Smith for one of the talking ponies? They could go the whole hog, and get Robbert Pattison as one of the younger dwarfs- maybe Fili and Kili!
I think I'm going to be sick!
[quote="Jolly Cotton":3amk6fc0]Tom Cruise for Bilbo? Will Smith for one of the talking ponies? They could go the whole hog, and get Robbert Pattison as one of the younger dwarfs- maybe Fili and Kili![/quote:3amk6fc0] Love the cut of your jib, Jolly!
According to my 16-year-old daughter, David Tennant has to be in it, possibly as Bilbo. As dwarves, she'd like to see Hugh Jackman, Cillian Murphy, Robert Downey Jr., Christian Bale, John Simm, David Wenham, and Neil Patrick Harris. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Now those are some entertaining ideas Jolly and Paul. :lol: [b:2watggnr]GB[/b:2watggnr]
[quote="Paul Erickson":30onmk2k]Cillian Murphy[/quote:30onmk2k] Having seen him in [i:30onmk2k]Batman Begins[/i:30onmk2k] and [i:30onmk2k]Inception[/i:30onmk2k], I would be very interested to see him in [i:30onmk2k]The Hobbit[/i:30onmk2k] in some role. I think he's a great actor.
Perhaps Justin Bieber might make be a good hobbit for the fangirls.
No. :P
What about Rick Astley as Gandalf?
Yeah! Imagine [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ:1i8ilfi7]this[/url:1i8ilfi7] start playing when Gandalf comes into the Goblins' cave and he goes: "Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down! Never gonna run around and desert you!" Oh, I can see what an epic moment in film history it would have become
Right that's quite enough silliness!! Don't you realize this is exactly the sort of thread PJ might look at and think was full of good ideas? When bloody Rick Astley comes singing onto screen as Gandalf I know who to damn well blame!! <img src='/images/smileys/vevil.gif' border='0' alt='Very Evil Smilie' />
I think the absolute awesomeness of Rick Astley would outweigh the fact that it would be completely out of place and quite likely ruin the rest of the movie :lol:
Just based on looks, Rick Astley is not as Crazy as I would have thought! :? He's even closer to the right age than many who have been proposed (44). :o [img:149fj9dz]http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Rick-Astley-s01.jpg[/img:149fj9dz] [b:149fj9dz]GB[/b:149fj9dz]
Haha, nice one GB! :lol: This should even please Odo, Imagine Bilbo Astley going around singing and dancing all the time, just the way he wants it <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
The Hobbit: The Musical. Directed by Peter Jackson. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
I think I'm just going to nip out and shoot myself.
Especially after seeing GB's picture, I agree that Rick Astley as Bilbo - even as a musical - would be better than some of the ideas that have been floated. :lol:
Why is everyone struggling against The Hobbit movie being a musical? Tolkien put fourteen songs in the book, so let's embrace that. I'm totally serious. Fangirl stuff notwithstanding, I want those songs in the movie! Not as musical, but a movie with songs in it. Like the Christopher Lee version of Wicker Man. Fourteen evocative, singable, celtic (or whatever) songs. The dwarves even have instruments with them at Bag End when they sing Far Over Misty Mountains Cold. It would be so great! Like when they sing Men Of Harlech and The Minstrel Boy in the film Zulu! Or in Jaws when they sing Show Me The Way To Go Home! Come on! Who's with me?
I'm all for putting the songs of the book in the film as well, but if they make it a musical, I'll never watch it ( I know you didn't say you wanted a musical, just saying <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />) Really can't stand musicals :x
Songs from the book- oh yes, they better be in there (Wicker man is at no1 in my favourite films list-partly because of its original use of music, if those songs can not only be made to work but to support the atmosphere in a horror movie TH songs can easily be made to work just as well on screen). But no to Rick Astley singing them or any other teenage girl pin up!! I hope they get a decent theatre actor.
The Wicker Man Ringdrotten is a good example (recommend it if you haven't seen it- just stay clear of the atrocious remake) its got lots of songs and the music is prominent throughout but its not a musical.
As long as the plot isn't constantly interrupted by pointless, silly and most of the time, genuinely [i:rarhhpvo]bad[/i:rarhhpvo] songs, I'm fine with music/songs in films <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> The Wicker Man is a film I've never seen, I'll give it a go if I come by it where I usually buy films/music <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Fair enough, Ringdrotten. No one has liked movie musicals for decades. The only musicals that are successful are cartoons. So the songs should be in, but not with a "Broadway" feel. PT, maybe Hugh Jackman SHOULD be in the cast. He's an excellent theatre singer. He was great in Happy Feet. But could he be a dwarf? The elves have songs too, both in The Last Homely House and in Mirkwood. Yeah, he could be Thandruil!
Songs, yes, musical, no. (Mind, I love musicals generally - good ones that is!)
[quote="Paul Erickson":il73eqpc]Why is everyone struggling against The Hobbit movie being a musical? Tolkien put fourteen songs in the book, so let's embrace that. I'm totally serious. Fangirl stuff notwithstanding, I want those songs in the movie! Not as musical, but a movie with songs in it. Like the Christopher Lee version of Wicker Man. Fourteen evocative, singable, celtic (or whatever) songs. The dwarves even have instruments with them at Bag End when they sing Far Over Misty Mountains Cold. It would be so great! Like when they sing Men Of Harlech and The Minstrel Boy in the film Zulu! Or in Jaws when they sing Show Me The Way To Go Home! Come on! Who's with me?[/quote:il73eqpc] Odo, have you tied up Paul and taken over his account? :lol: Actually, most of us are fine with keeping in the songs, what we don't want is the Judy Garland and the Munchkins version or the Cabaret/Cats version of the Hobbit. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> [b:il73eqpc]GB[/b:il73eqpc]
I don't know about anyone else, but I've come 'round to the idea of a more original take on the songs in The Hobbit. I think they should all be made into '80s pop tunes with atrocious music videos. :mrgreen: Rick Astley for Bilbo!
Gandalfs Beard - weird things are happening. Has Paul really hacked into Odo's account? and Eldorion - must you? No wonder Odo threw up his arms and left - it wasn't just the odium, you know.
I thought this "Odo" rubbish was going to go on the "Howdy" thread? I see Petty enjoys this kind of thing too - which is fair enough - but I think most forumers would prefer it if all this "Odo" stuff goes and stays there. Everyone else have shown their sense of humour here without being ego maniacs. I haven't expressed myself, well, I know, but everyone will know what I mean here. (No hard feelings go both ways, Odo). As to Rick Astley. I actually think he looks the part. But can he act? I also think that PJ should make every post a winner. There is a lot of money tied up in this movie and there is no guarantee of success. With that in mind, if Bilbo needs to be made younger to achieve broad success, I think that is the way PJ needs to go. A good looking younger actor, but he must be able to act. Surely the idea is sound. The "fangirls" would be happy, though that should (and would) not be PJ's main focus, I'm sure; and a young Bilbo could be made to serve as a role model for young males. The main thing, of course, is that the stroyline is kept intact within reason. So a [i:sm4463gf]young [/i:sm4463gf]Bilbo would need to be treated sensitively.
I do enjoy the Odo stuff, flights of the imagination appeal to me, as does Odo particular brand of whimsy. I think so long as its mainly kept on separate threads such as the Needlehole one its not a problem, just don't go there. On the subject of a 'young' Bilbo. Just what does a 50 year old Hobbit look like? (Can't off hand remember Bilbo's exact age! :oops: ) but do they look like a 50 year old human would or a 30 year old human given the life span differences? Depending on how they see it will effect the casting I'd imagine.
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