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Given what Ive read of the great man I put the question to all,would he even have approved of The Hobbit and LOTR being made into movies at all?










THE GREAT EYE SEES ALL
Based on Tolkien's letters I think it's safe to conclude he would have disliked many of the changes to LotR (and some of the hypothesized ones for The Hobbit), but in principle I think he was fine with films being attempted. He and his published had agreed on a policy of [i:39axu3w1]'Cash or kudos'[/i:39axu3w1] when it came to proposals to buy the film rights; meaning either a guarantee of a faithful adaptation or else a large sum of money. :P
Funny to say it, but Tolkien probably would have [i:pysaq5s1]hoped [/i:pysaq5s1]they SilmarillionLotRized "The Hobbit!" Go figure! (Poor old muddle-minded Tolks!)
He adamantly disapproved in his lifetime due to the limited technology to do a Fantasy Film right. He didn't want his work looking like "Cheap Panto(mime)" and puppets. So I think he would be thrilled today, to see how well it turned out.

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[quote="Odo Banks":1amwf0wq]Funny to say it, but Tolkien probably would have [i:1amwf0wq]hoped [/i:1amwf0wq]they SilmarillionLotRized "The Hobbit!" Go figure! (Poor old muddle-minded Tolks!)[/quote:1amwf0wq]

What makes you say that? :?
Perhaps the fact that Tokien was trying to do so himself. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

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*sighs* We've talked about this before. Tolkien made an abortive attempt at it but [i:5jr4ix47]changed his mind and abandoned the project[/i:5jr4ix47] after getting feedback on it. I don't understand this focus on one abandoned idea that Tolkien had. :roll:
Yes, he changed his mind because Odo went back into the past and gave him what for :lol: . That doesn't mean he didn't still WANT to do it. It just means he couldn't figure out how to do it at the time. Had he lived another 30-40 years, he would have seen that Marvel Comics had no problem rebooting a lot of their line-ups for The Ultimate series, while the originals continued merrily along beside them.

Or he might have seen Rashomon, or Hero, and seen how well telling the same tale from multiple viewpoints can work. Then he would have realized that all he had to do was tell the story from another perspective, say Gandalf's for example. It wouldn't be Bilbo's version. He wouldn't have to change the original story, just retell it in LotRized form. Both could exist side by side on the same bookshelf.

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[quote="Gandalfs Beard":1lqzn6v7]That doesn't mean he didn't still WANT to do it. It just means he couldn't figure out how to do it at the time. [/quote:1lqzn6v7]

That seems to me a wholly unwarranted conclusion. Tolkien had no problem ignoring advice and/or criticism when he didn't like it, so his acceptance of advice in this case indicates that he was convinced by it. Additionally, he [b:1lqzn6v7]did[/b:1lqzn6v7] know how to do it and was in the process of it; he just stopped after obtaining feedback. Regardless of what you or other fans want, Tolkien decided against LotRizing The Hobbit. If he had really thought it a good idea he would have gone ahead with it regardless of the advice he had (look at Carpenter's [i:1lqzn6v7]Biography[/i:1lqzn6v7] for some examples of Tolkien's stubbornness; I believe you've read that book).

While it is possible that Tolkien would have changed his mind again if he had lived 30 years longer, I think it is rather arrogant for anyone who is not Tolkien or at least did not know Tolkien personally to make a statement such as that in light of what Tolkien actually did.
I'm not saying that I know for a fact that he would have written a new version :roll: . No-one could know that (except maybe Christopher). I just know from other sources, including the annotations for Roverandom, that he wasn't entirely happy with leaving The Hobbit in a "Children's Story" format.

And I wouldn't want him to have supplanted the original anyway. It just would have been cool to have a "grown up" version too 8-) .

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He certainly regretted the style in which he wrote The Hobbit, yes, but he decided not to actually go through with rewriting it.

A grown-up version might have been cool, but I don't think it would really be The Hobbit anymore. It would have lost something fairly integral, imho.