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I'm sure you've heard by now that Guilermo Del Toro is no longer directing The Hobbit. This is a pretty big letdown. Who knows what kind of delays this loss could cause as well. We might not even be looking at a 2012 release anymore. It's really disappointing and frustrating because it could have been so great but MGM had to drag the whole thing down with it's poorly run, orc infested company. I know it will still be a great movie no matter who takes over as director, I hope PJ just does it himself, but it's really sad to see GDT go and not have his idea of middle earth realized. Suggestions for new directors? How do you feel about PJ taking the reins?
[url:1swmqjgn]http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2010/05/30/36920-guillermo-del-toro-departs-the-hobbit/[/url:1swmqjgn]

See Article in link above.

I only have one thing to say, and not with my usual sense of decorum: [size=150:1swmqjgn][b:1swmqjgn]FRAK MGM[/b:1swmqjgn][/size:1swmqjgn] :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[b:1swmqjgn]GB[/b:1swmqjgn]
[i:2sbj6o99]"Ding dong
the Wicked Warlock,
the Wicked Warlock,
ding dong,
the Wicked Warlock is gone!"[/i:2sbj6o99]

Oooh. I think I just channelled! :shock:
You don't know what you're talking about Odo. With Del Toro leaves the best chance of getting a film that doesn't wander too far from Tolkien's story (White Council notwithstanding). His Artistic outlook made him about the only director around that could have balanced the shifting tones. If we're lucky, maybe Terry Gilliam will step in.

[b:3szdy6d3]GB[/b:3szdy6d3]
Terry Gilliam would be all right, providing he has read (and loved) the book. Del Toro always worried me because he did not like Tolkien in his early days. A leopard does not change his spots. I enjoyed Time Bandits . I don't know, but if Gilliam respects The Hobbit he will do a reasonable job. Indeed, his sense of humour might allow him to see Tolkien's method in The Hobbit with a clear eye and give him perspective without trivializing things. I think he would be braver than Jackson. Brave enough to film it properly. Unlike Jackson, he would be intelligent enough to respect and trust the classic story he is working with. Dare I dream?
Del Toro may have been a Late-comer to The Hobbit, but that was due to perhaps some cultural mis-perceptions (believing TH to be a "Kiddie" book). Once immersing himself in the material, I think he realized how perfectly Tolkien's outlook matched his own. He was adamant in interviews about keeping beloved characters like Beorn, and he had that instinctive touch for balancing colourful whimsy and darkness, without succumbing to trivialization or over-weaning sentimentality (you HAVE to see Hellboy 2 and Pan's Labyrinth). He is the only director in a generation that I think could have matched the best of Gilliam.

We can only hope Gilliam signs on :mrgreen: and MGM goes down in flames :twisted: , selling the rest of the Rights to New Line and Warner Bros so they can get on with it.

[b:1rrks6lr]GB[/b:1rrks6lr]
Perhaps I could buy the Rights. I have the Right attitude to make the movies... I might get Mr Tyrant to forward a few pennies...and I'm sure you would not mind a Right adaptation, GB, once you were shown what one was! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Maybe this is better news than even I thought! 8-) (....err.... is there anything you Don't like in The Hobbit, GB - it's an important question - to Rightists, that is?)
Ive got mixed feelings on this one, I'm sure its all part of the plan, but I liked GDT. Pan's Labyrinth showed he could do this sort of material and PJ directing again- well we know how that goes sadly.
I've never seen any of GDT's movies, though his dark fantasy background did not exactly fill me with hope. However, I was glad that he reached out to fans as much as he did. I'm sure that there will be plenty of people who'd like to have a go at [i:2wfrg0z0]The Hobbit[/i:2wfrg0z0], and PJ doesn't seem to expect delays, though.

I can definitely understand why GDT has left. I'm glad that this thread isn't full of people mourning him as if he had died like some forums are. :P
Erm...I practically held a wake for Del Toro. :?

[b:101ly645]GB[/b:101ly645]
Gandalf's beard, Terry Gs arrival on set could have brilliant implications for the movie. Im sad to see GDT go, I was just warming to him, but his style is gritty and exaggeration in his sets. A style very specific, and hard to make (hugely) whimsical.

Now, a TG, Tolkien [b:2n4defw6]and[/b:2n4defw6] PJ! now theres a dangerously good equation. A lot of good possibilities, but all very different. But if theres one thing Im certain of, its that their will be some almighty miniatures in there :twisted: . Gilliam is at home with huge parts of movies in effects, and PJ's miniatures approach is going to invoke some nostalgia. If we are lucky, we could see some stop start in there, shying away with CGI all together, something I wished for in the cave troll, and march of the ents in LOTR (think Jason and the arguonauts style).

With the script to tie TG down (none of his un-understandable endings) but dark enough to give him room to dig in to the story. If they can get him, then brilliant, if they cant, then its not too bad.

EDIT: Cant wait for the journey under the misty mountains :lol: [url:2n4defw6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wo7xSpc_Cc[/url:2n4defw6]
Notice I said we're not not [i:1v0cttyh]full[/i:1v0cttyh] of people doing that, GB. You, while awesome, are still only one person. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

EDIT: I don't want to offend people, but I'm a bit exasperated by those on other forums who are acting like we should have a period of mourning because a director stepped down.
I'm right there with you GB, I'm really bummed that GDT is gone. It would have been so awesome, Pan's Labyrinth is one of my favorite movies and to see his take on Middle Earth would have been great. However, it's still the Hobbit and it's still Tolkien so as long as the movie gets made and made well, I'm happy.
[url:2ouvxsf2]http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/3760208/Peter-Jackson-may-direct-Hobbit[/url:2ouvxsf2]

Who else is sick of conflicting news reports? :P
Oh no not PJ, not again!!!!

TG is a good choice as a director and for his unique way of looking at things but might be a job getting him to keep the films within budget and on time- I think there's a good chance he will be seen as too risky.
Actually there is nothing conflicting about that report Eldo. Notice it said PJ MIGHT step in if there was no other way. Personally I'm fine with that <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

[b:rz1xc4a7]GB[/b:rz1xc4a7]
GB, I was thinking of the previous reports that PJ's manager had said that PJ was too busy with other projects to be the director. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />

[url:3pdlzv7t]http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/del-toro-leaves-the-hobbit-and-evidently-peter-jackson-wont-be-next/[/url:3pdlzv7t]
akglhal!!!!!!!!
I was really excited to see GDT's take on the Hobbit! I don't want PJ to direct it, I want to see someone else's take on the book. GARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE MGM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha! at this rate, [i:21zorbx4]I[/i:21zorbx4] could direct the hobbit in 10 years!
I only heard this news today.. It is sad, but I think Peter Jackson should maybe step in now.. Yes he has other projects, but he could probably get out of those.. Im not sure about Terry Gilliam.. Yes, he certainly has flair & imagination (I loved Time Bandits too), but not sure about him for TH.. I wonder how he would get on with PJ.. Am going to put my money on Peter.. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Should there be a new thread for choosing a director then ?

Is there a shortlist ? GB ?? anyone ???
... Oh dear. The first time I read this on a random site I thought it was some sort of fake-news. I came to the forums for some sort of confirmation. I repeat [b:2nxmuwcg]GB's[/b:2nxmuwcg] words when I break out of my normal temper and say: [b:2nxmuwcg]To hell with you, MGM![/b:2nxmuwcg] <img src='/images/smileys/vevil.gif' border='0' alt='Very Evil Smilie' /> :oops:

Now I feel like a bad person.

Oh well!

At least this got me to the Forums, now I'm happy.

Now I feel like a happy person. :mrgreen: :roll:
Eldorion,
[quote:3v9q8n11]I can definitely understand why GDT has left. I'm glad that this thread isn't full of people mourning him as if he had died like some forums are.[/quote:3v9q8n11]
It is (I think) genuinly sad that Guillermo has dropped out, each to their own opinion and all that, but if people on other forums want to be sad about it, then let them, and just don't go on those threads! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
(As you can probably tell I am one of the ones in mourning, as you obviously don't want me to, I won't post my sad messages here, but yeah...)
... (Lamest ending [i:3v9q8n11][u:3v9q8n11][b:3v9q8n11]ever[/b:3v9q8n11][/u:3v9q8n11][/i:3v9q8n11])
[quote="Elrond":uox40uza]Eldorion,
It is (I think) genuinly sad that Guillermo has dropped out, each to their own opinion and all that, but if people on other forums want to be sad about it, then let them, and just don't go on those threads! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
(As you can probably tell I am one of the ones in mourning, as you obviously don't want me to, I won't post my sad messages here, but yeah...)
... (Lamest ending [i:uox40uza][u:uox40uza][b:uox40uza]ever[/b:uox40uza][/u:uox40uza][/i:uox40uza])[/quote:uox40uza]

(I don't think Eldorion is necessarily complaining, I think he is just full of joy (( <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> )) that this thread doesn't have any of that, which obviously he is not a fan of.) ... trigonometry... (however, I am quite sad myself that Del Toro dropped out. <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> )

And that, gentlemen, is why... a^2 + b^2 = c^2
HEY! :x I'm in mourning Dammit! Post all you want Elrond <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> . I don't want to be all alone in my sorrows <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

[b:1fktngxh]GB[/b:1fktngxh]
Could be worse- they could have confirmed PJ as director and we'd be staring at 2, 3 hour films with only a passing resemblance to the book consisting mainly of never ending battle scenes! (And I'd not be surprised to find he'd decided 1 dragon wasn't good enough and have Smaug's family turn up for the battle of five armies- 100 dragons! Roll up! Roll up! See the spectacle!)
Gandalfs Beard
[quote:9b7wv0g9]
HEY! I'm in mourning Dammit! Post all you want Elrond . I don't want to be all alone in my sorrows .
[/quote:9b7wv0g9]
Yey !!!
:cry: GDT was the [b:9b7wv0g9][i:9b7wv0g9][u:9b7wv0g9]best[/u:9b7wv0g9][/i:9b7wv0g9][/b:9b7wv0g9] choice for director, (except maybe PJ) but anyway... he should [u:9b7wv0g9][i:9b7wv0g9][b:9b7wv0g9]never[/b:9b7wv0g9][/i:9b7wv0g9][/u:9b7wv0g9] have left, no matter how good and or justified his reasons were!! I will [b:9b7wv0g9][i:9b7wv0g9][u:9b7wv0g9]really[/u:9b7wv0g9][/i:9b7wv0g9][/b:9b7wv0g9] miss all his stuff in the interviews and on the TORn forums, he seemed to care just as much as PJ about keeping the story as close to Tolkien...
whew... i'm tired now...
*still crying, goes to calm down*
lol... but not really... :cry:
"just as much as PJ about keeping the story as close to Tolkien.."

As PJ!! :shock: I need to go lie down after that. I can only assume your meaning is that GDT cared almost not a jot about the story to compare him to PJ.
pettytyrant101
[quote:1cvyc353]I can only assume your meaning is that GDT cared almost not a jot about the story to compare him to PJ.[/quote:1cvyc353]
Urm... no offence but i have no idea what you mean :roll:
Sorry to 'butt in' Elrond (hello btw),
Pettytyrants view (i'm sure he wont mind me saying) of PJ's handling of the films is somewhat 'different' from yours !! and is well documented around here ! <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
Hi!
Thanks for explaining! I was merely explaining [i:3poavkbi]my[/i:3poavkbi] point of view, not what i think everyone elses should be, if others don't agree with it, thats fine! Each to their own and all that... <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
[quote="Elrond":lzd8ax1b]if people on other forums want to be sad about it, then let them, and just don't go on those threads! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> [/quote:lzd8ax1b]

I didn't. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> THEY came into one of the OTHER threads complaining about its existence. My earlier post was tinted by my annoyance at that. I don't mind people mourning, even if I don't get it, and I don't want to harass anyone.

[quote:lzd8ax1b](As you can probably tell I am one of the ones in mourning, as you obviously don't want me to, I won't post my sad messages here, but yeah...)[/quote:lzd8ax1b]

I don't care if you post about how you're sad; see above. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
Apparantly Peter Jackson has been confirmed as the new director for the Hobbit, is this true or just a rumour ? :?:
By all accounts this is actually true, however nothing is final yet.

[b:ip21cmj1]GB[/b:ip21cmj1]
The last concrete thing I can recall hearing was that PJ said he would direct if no one else could be found. Has something changed recently?
Several Reports have mentioned that PJ is settling into the idea of directing, though nothing is finalized.

[b:1kfcj0dh]GB[/b:1kfcj0dh]
Are those reports anything more than Internet rumours, though?
I'd have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure the reporting was also in print media, not that it makes much difference :P . But indications are that the reporting is Truthful and not merely Rumour. The only thing we need to consider is that it has not been finalized, therefore there could be changes.

[b:25ihabi9]GB[/b:25ihabi9]
Definitely. Really I'm inclined to believe the reports that Jackson will be directing; I'm just jaded about rumours. :lol: :P I can't imagine a whole lot of directors wanting to come in and pick up del Toro's scraps, however, especially with a big name like Peter Jackson in the background. Maybe a young director like Blomkamp (though of course the latest on him is that he isn't directing), but an established director? I can't see that happening.