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you know, i just re-read the scourging of the shire last night, and I had a thought. If the Hobbit is going to be delayed for a while, why not use Hobbiton to make a short film? Make the "Scourging of the Shire" a short film, because it really is a good story that can stand alone by itself. Perhaps if we write a script, send it to PJ (or someone in NZ who'd be interested) to direct it, maybe it could be a possibility.
Thoughts?
Actually, this would be a good thread topic. I'll go ahead and move it.

I agree that the Scouring could be a stand-alone short film. Though realistically it would would have to be a fan film production. In which case the producers could petition some of the original actors to donate their time and participate (as has been done in some Star Trek fan-films). Or it could be done with some look-a-like actors.

[b:3qx6252n]GB[/b:3qx6252n]
Good idea Tin. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> This could be fun.
Only problem I see (besides getting it done, getting permission etc- but we can hope and dream) is that the scouring contradicts what PJ did in his films- so they might not be keen to help out. Whilst it could be done stand alone it could not be done in its entirety as Saruman is central to the goings on.
However no need for despair Tin. I would suggest starting with a shortened version of the Hobbits arriving back and meeting the Sheriffs and cover the story as far as the battle where Merry and Pippin lure the men into the gully. Its a good fight and the good guys win. End it there- thus not changing what Tolkien wrote but simply not telling the bit about Saruman that comes afterward. That way we don't tread on PJ's toes even though its his bloody fault he cocked up the story originally in his films.
So long as we have the best bit- old Farmer Cotton standing alone at the fire warming his hands as the men come up to bully him. Then the circle of hobbits drawing in around them, faces determined and set, lit by the flickering orange of the fire, closing in out of the darkness. Perfect for film.
Great idea! We have a lot of great ideas on this Forum. Hobbit Script, Beren and Luthien, Scouring of the Shire.. :lol: All we need is someone with lots of cash to pay us so we can give up our day jobs and concentrate our energies better... :ugeek:


NB Is there are a MOST RECENT POSTS on this new manifestation of the Forum? (Don't like this new one much, truth be known. Can we go back to the one before last?)
There should be a "first unread post" button at the upper right hand corner of the thread you're looking at Odo (if it's a thread with new posts on it).

[b:28x94p2t]GB[/b:28x94p2t]
The scouring of the Shire. Great idea. I'm in <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
GREAT!!!!!!
And as to the whole Saruman bit, I think it should be included. After all, we're already contradicting PJ's version by making that section a film anyway. And quite frankly, I think he'd be up for it. PJ did say that he wanted to put in the scourging, but there wasn't any room for it. People already complained about it's million endings anyway, so he made an ending just as bittersweet as the scourging (in a way). And it really could be done, PJ and friends willing, if we wrote a script, came up with some money, and found actors, directors ect. in NZ that would want to try and pull it off. We don't need any returning actors, just the set :mrgreen:
The short film "The hunt for Gollum" which was made by LOTR fans and it was quite a success. The budget was suprisingly small, and many props were donated by people. It was an excellent short film and much credit must be given to them. So i think making a short film of your own may not be impossible but its quite ambitious.
I've already thought how to get around the whole Saruman dying earlier in the films thing: Magic. He staged the whole thing to throw off Gandalf and escape. :lol:

[b:2nbsk49p]GB[/b:2nbsk49p]
Well its no worse GB than the stuff PJ came up with.
Thanks (I think <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> ). At least it would preserve film continuity AND Book Continuity.

[b:19wn7uw8]GB[/b:19wn7uw8]
And (for you purists who seem to hate PJ) in a way, it's spiting him by keeping Saruman in the film, in fact, its spiting him making the movie at all! :oops:
I don't hate PJ but I think he was mistaken in his handling of the end of ROTK. It'd be great to see the Scouring on film even if it's unlikely for all the pieces to fall into place for any particular project. <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' />

BTW, would this work better as an unofficial sequel of sorts to ROTK? Note that in the theatrical edition Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc so you'd only have to disregard the last few minutes (or, alternatively, insert it into the film and suppose that the last scenes in the Shire all occurred post-Scouring).
Dont no why so many on here dislike PJ. I for one loved the movies and am sure the Hobbit will be
great as well. (if and when its made) Wouldnt have mattered who made lotr we all would have whinged about something in it we didnt like. Watch and enjoy or dont watch. simple. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />

PS. Love the new set up (forum) your doing [color=#008000:2v5ktgj2]GB[/color:2v5ktgj2]
I don't think there are that many on here Chris that dislike PJ- its mainly me its just I'm very vocal about it!
As to 'watch and enjoy or don't watch. Simple.'- I came up with an alternative- I took my copies through an editorial process and rejigged them to remove the stuff I just couldn't watch. Even then enjoy is stretching it a bit, I'd say they were now bearable. (Looks wise I love them-Rohan and Dead Marshes aside- they look terrible and PJ's mad idea of the Uruk-Hai becoming genetically unstable, that was really, really poor-fortunately Gothmog was easy to remove in the editorial process, or at least a lot easier than other stuff was). Its the scripts I really hate more than anything else.

To get back on topic where Tin did you envision your fan film beginning? With the four hobbits entering the Shire or at the parting with Gandalf?
[quote="chris63":1tu5tqhn]Dont no why so many on here dislike PJ.[/quote:1tu5tqhn]

I don't think we have any die-hard film-bashers here. I used to think that petty was one but lately I've started to suspect that he's more of a softie than he lets on. :P :P
Sorry for using the word "hate." I had a feeling someone would jump on that...
But as to the beginning, I was thinking even before the parting, where they run into Saruman. I really like the pipe weed bit with Merry and Saruman :mrgreen:
Don't have my copy of LoTR with me Tin but is that not quite a bit back from Scouring. Somewhere between Minas Tirith and Lothlorien where they bump into him? Would be hard enough to get hobbits and Gandalf in it but for that you'd need the entire company that leaves Minas Tirith.
They'd already parted ways with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. At that point the Hobbits and Gandalf were still with Elrond, Galadriel, Celeborn, and company, however (ROTK, Many Partings). I could see the scene with Saruman working as a prologue or during the opening credits.
Or not even a prologue, jus the opening scene. The prologue should be a short summary of the chapter "Many Partings". Then half way through the opening we can show the Saruman scene and then have a "3 months later" type thing to where the four hobbits come home.
Like the editorial process Petty. Did you edit the ee or the theatrical version?
Could have used it for a few films i'v watched lately. :roll:
How much were the films shortened ?
You got me thinking (witch is unusual for me) :lol: :lol:
First two films are 3 hours edited down, all are from from the 4 hour EE versions. TT is 3 hours and ends where the book does- after Shelob and with Pippin off with Gandalf- so despite what PJ said it can be done (dumping all the Faramir taking Frodo to Osgiliath crap helps save a lot in it and losing Legolas' shenanigans and all the elves from Helms Deep helps too). RoTK is just over 2.30 and therefore suffers less from a sense that its never ending.
All of them have less action than PJ's, troll scene is shorter, took out the crumbly staircase in Moria, without the elves at Helms Deep its a lot shorter (but better for it I think) and made the Pelennor less silly by taking out Legolas stuff and just trimming it down a bit (such as taking out the bit where Eowyn takes a Mumikal down on her own).


Tin suppose it could be possible without really showing much to imply the elves are with them. If your planning on it being in the PJ style then a few of the banners the elves seem to go everywhere with and some pastel coloured robes should do the trick. Amazing what people will think they have seen even when you only give them a few subtle shots.
Best topic on the forum at the moment Tin <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> , I have already stated that the scouring was the bit I resented mostly being left out. :x I have seen Petty's edited version which is very good, especially the atmosphere in Shelob's layer which he made a bit darker and more ominous. :twisted: The absolute scunner :roll: is that the edited version left plenty of room for the scouring, so I don't buy into PJ's excuse that they were too long already and that there was no time. :P

Big it up for Petty's edited version. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Well, ROTK [i:2shn2ddu]as edited by PJ[/i:2shn2ddu] was definitely too long for the Scouring, but if petty could cut it down to size I'm sure PJ (or at least one of his co-editors) could have done so if they wanted to. Of course, they didn't [i:2shn2ddu]want[/i:2shn2ddu] to include the Scouring, but that's quite different from not being able to.
Alright!!!! so we have room!!! :lol: :lol:
Maybe we can out PJ, PJ by using Matrix crossed with Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon moves in the action scenes; lose any sense of nobility that Merry and Pippin have gained. Afterall, Tolkien never showed and sense of maturing progress and gaining of a sense of nobility for these two throughout the novel, did he; they are only padding to make up the numbers and comic relief after all. [b:1gk5i1cf][color=#80FF80:1gk5i1cf][size=200:1gk5i1cf]NOT[/size:1gk5i1cf][/color:1gk5i1cf][/b:1gk5i1cf]
My edited RoTK comes in at about 2hr 40 taken from the 4hr EE. Most of the time saved is from putting Shelob back in TT. If PJ had done that he would have had plenty time to play around with to include the scouring of the shire.
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":3ag66aj1]I've already thought how to get around the whole Saruman dying earlier in the films thing: Magic. He staged the whole thing to throw off Gandalf and escape. :lol: [b:3ag66aj1]GB[/b:3ag66aj1][/quote:3ag66aj1] He spiked himself, blood everywhere, goes underwater. I see where you're going with this. Saruman just used the old "cut the person in half trick", then they magically appear from behind a curtain later, in this case the curtain is in the shire. D :lol:
[quote="Gorthaur":l191nx0s][quote="Gandalfs Beard":l191nx0s]I've already thought how to get around the whole Saruman dying earlier in the films thing: Magic. He staged the whole thing to throw off Gandalf and escape. :lol: [b:l191nx0s]GB[/b:l191nx0s][/quote:l191nx0s] He spiked himself, blood everywhere, goes underwater. I see where you're going with this. Saruman just used the old "cut the person in half trick", then they magically appear from behind a curtain later, in this case the curtain is in the shire. D :lol:[/quote:l191nx0s] Exactly! :mrgreen: It could happen. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> By the way, welcome to the forum Gorthaur. It's nice to have another White Council fan on board. maybe now the debates between Tolkien "Purists" and "Liberals" won't be so one-sided. :lol: [b:l191nx0s]GB[/b:l191nx0s]
If there weren't trouble makers on this forum, there'd only be ONE side of the argument. Imagine how respectable this forum would be then!
[quote="Odo Banks":3doah4oy]If there weren't trouble makers on this forum, there'd only be ONE side of the argument. Imagine how respectable this forum would be then![/quote:3doah4oy] Imagine how boring things would be if everyone agreed. :P
Who are the trouble makers here? Plus if everybody agreed, the The Big Bad Serious Thread would be pretty pointless. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Um... Ally... this not this NOT the Big Bad Serious Thread though... Have you wandered here? - I mean --- lost? :? But you're right, TBBST is a good place for fights --- I've had a few, never my fault of course, I'm very Pure as you know! --- This thread, though, should be more respectable. No Liberalism on the Hobbit Movie Threads, that's what I say! :x I'm going to get a badge made, I think - for when Mr Tyrant and I start the Anti Tolkien Liberals Rallies! How does: [i:l19y4u9o]"Down with Tolkien Liberals"[/i:l19y4u9o] sound? Or just: [i:l19y4u9o]"Off with their heads"[/i:l19y4u9o] Mmmmm - or does that sound a smidgeon too severe, do you think? (I personally don't think it severe enough! :x )
[quote="Odo Banks":3qyh2lew]Um... Ally... this not this NOT the Big Bad Serious Thread though... Have you wandered here? - I mean --- lost? :? But you're right, TBBST is a good place for fights --- I've had a few, never my fault of course, I'm very Pure as you know! --- This thread, though, should be more respectable. No Liberalism on the Hobbit Movie Threads, that's what I say! :x I'm going to get a badge made, I think - for when Mr Tyrant and I start the Anti Tolkien Liberals Rallies! How does: [i:3qyh2lew]"Down with Tolkien Liberals"[/i:3qyh2lew] sound? Or just: [i:3qyh2lew]"Off with their heads"[/i:3qyh2lew] Mmmmm - or does that sound a smidgeon too severe, do you think? (I personally don't think it severe enough! :x )[/quote:3qyh2lew] I occasionally get lost, yes. I just meant if everybody had the same opinion here, there wouldn't be any debates. A very boring forum indeed it would be. I've never got involved in a fight there (When it gets a bit over my head, I nobly pull out for a bit!) but maybe my time will come. "Down with Tolkien Liberals"? I say convert them. Any of you purists any good at proselytism? I sense a revolution... <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> Anyway sorry for making this thread even more offtopic (It wasn't my fault mind!)
It is a rule of thumb here that no one admits to anything except being right, even when they're wrong, that's my experience, and let's face it, it is more fun that way! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Now, some clarifification: The problem with converting people into Purists, is the fact that it is the people of Small Brain that seem to favor Liberalism, while it's the really Sharp Brained here who favor Purism. The two kinds will never agree - for one side is Right, and one side is Wrong - "Liberal" that is. One side is Smart and the other is Stupid, pathologically so - though I mean it kindly! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> How can Stupidity of such magnitude ever embrace Purity (Smartness)? No doubt the likes of GB and his ilk will make trouble over me suggesting that because I name them Liberals, I therefore automatically place them in the Dumb-set. But what else can I do? The truth must win out in the end. You know, they'll probably now resort to making ridiculous personal insults which have no factual basis - they're very vindictive I've found! :ugeek: NB: Tolkien Liberals [i:3l0xlwpm]do[/i:3l0xlwpm] cause all the trouble here - it's never the Purists' fault - everyone, if they're being honest, know this! :ugeek:
[quote="Odo Banks":2252khwk]It is a rule of thumb here that no one admits to anything except being right, even when they're wrong, that's my experience, and let's face it, it is more fun that way! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Now, some clarifification: The problem with converting people into Purists, is the fact that it is the people of Small Brain that seem to favor Liberalism, while it's the really Sharp Brained here who favor Purism. The two kinds will never agree - for one side is Right, and one side is Wrong - "Liberal" that is. One side is Smart and the other is Stupid, pathologically so - though I mean it kindly! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> How can Stupidity of such magnitude ever embrace Purity (Smartness)? No doubt the likes of GB and his ilk will make trouble over me suggesting that because I name them Liberals, I therefore automatically place them in the Dumb-set. But what else can I do? The truth must win out in the end - and they often resort to making ridiculous personal insults which have no factual basis! :ugeek: NB: Tolkien Liberals [i:2252khwk]do[/i:2252khwk] cause all the trouble here - it's never the Purists' fault - everyone, if they're being honest, know this! :ugeek:[/quote:2252khwk] I have been proven wrong twice in the past week; I need to be more stubborn! Anyway after your assessment, I fear I have a "small brain", but I don't necessarily agree ( I am getting the hang of this) with your point of view! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> What do you mean personal insults which have no factual basis- you do smell! Here's a question. Can you love the PJ movies, but still be a "real tolkien purist"? Or is that unacceptable? <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
No! (However it is acceptable to be impressed by the staging of it, the art direction, costume design etc, everything except the complete product which due missing the point entirely makes a complete balls of the whole thing-oh and you're allowed to like FotR a lot more than the other two thanks to it having a least a passing resemblance to the book its based on-but I never said any of this! Except for the 'no' bit above.)
[quote="pettytyrant101":1ubyxg0w]you're allowed to like FotR a lot more than the other two [/quote:1ubyxg0w] I am glad that I can watch my favourite of the three (not a fan of TT though, if that helps!) with a somewhat clear conscience <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
[quote="pettytyrant101":1opula2a]No! (However it is acceptable to be impressed by the staging of it, the art direction, costume design etc, everything except the complete product which due missing the point entirely makes a complete balls of the whole thing-oh and you're allowed to like FotR a lot more than the other two thanks to it having a least a passing resemblance to the book its based on-but I never said any of this! Except for the 'no' bit above.)[/quote:1opula2a] I loved the beginning of FOTR, probably my favourite part of a movie...ever. Plus if the films were missing the point, Frodo would never reach Mount Doom, and would never destroy the ring... <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' /> The basic resemblance is there in all three films. [quote="Ringdrotten":1opula2a][quote="pettytyrant101":1opula2a]you're allowed to like FotR a lot more than the other two [/quote:1opula2a] I am glad that I can watch my favourite of the three (not a fan of TT though, if that helps!) with a somewhat clear conscience <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />[/quote:1opula2a] It's my favourite as well, though I enjoyed all three. I guess I can't join the Tolkien Purist Club then...
Not a Club, dear Ally, a way of life! :ugeek:
[quote="Ally":xljrnn5n]It's my favourite as well, though I enjoyed all three. I guess I can't join the Tolkien Purist Club then...[/quote:xljrnn5n] It's perfectly fine to like the movies despite the changes. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> Disliking the films is not a requirement for being a purist, no matter what some of the extremists might say. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
"Disliking the films is not a requirement for being a purist" Strictly speaking this is true Eldo. However if you are a purist you will naturally dislike the films due to their lack of purity. (The clues in the name <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> ) Disliking the films therefore is the natural consequence of two things, being purist of mind and how unpure the films are. So if you dislike the films, good news! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> chances are your a purist (or just someone with good taste in films). Unfortunately, if on the other hand you find you like the films then its time to take a long hard look in the mirror and face up to the fact you might be a secret liberal (or have bad taste in films). If this is so then you only have two choices. To sort yourself out and come back to the purity of Tolkien's word and vision or to 'come out' as a liberal for ever. (And all the shame therewith).
[quote="pettytyrant101":3rlmid60]However if you are a purist you will naturally dislike the films due to their lack of purity. (The clues in the name <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> )[/quote:3rlmid60] I meant disliking them as cinema? As always I stress the distinction between the films as cinema and the films as adaptations.
Mealy mouthed - that's what I say, young Eldo! Let your Yes be Yes, and your No be NO. The Gods of Tolkien-land are watching! The Tolkien Gods see clearly through all your careful language --- and so do we Purists who have been blessed with the Tolkien Sight (so to speak). Your best friend is a squirrel and one of your family members eats elderberries! There! I've said it now! (with apologies to Mr Python... :? )
Down with Tolkien Purists! :P :P :P [b:1l2pdkzn]GB[/b:1l2pdkzn] <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
[quote="Gandalfs Beard":30x8jrdt]Down with Tolkien Purists! [/quote:30x8jrdt] Is that the best you can come up with? :lol:
o boy, THIS again... I've been away too long this time.....
Yes, Tin, and you'll have a hell of a time cleaning up the mess those irresponsible TL's have left this time, I'm afraid... :roll:
[quote="Tinuviel":1ija6zb6]o boy, THIS again...[/quote:1ija6zb6] Our battle shall never end! We're like [i:1ija6zb6]Highlander[/i:1ija6zb6]. 8-)
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